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[zan]

Speaking of beaches back in the early sixties. I remember many Summer weekends at this same time when you couldn't get on the beaches on the south coast here in England because of pitched battles between huge gangs of youths.

One tribe was composed of motor-bike riding chaps called "rockers" and the other tribe of more smartly dressed chaps on Lambrettas and Vespas were called "mods".

GB CYs would often go down to the coast on a Summer Sunday and have their picnic on the beach disturbed by this riotous behaviour. I remember several Sundays when I witnessed these goings on in person.

I bring this up because it was a long time ago and we have all moved on. So perhaps time to move on from alleged apartheid on CY beaches in the early sixties.

But still 1974 rings out where ever we go.....Funny that!!!

"Funny that!!!" Absolutely fecking hilarious testimony to your state of mind, or lack of it.

VP's unsubstantiated, no evidence and hence unbelievable one-liner that appears above compared with the well documented events of 1974, "a year that will live in infamy" in CY psyche for generations to come, events that the whole world witnessed.

What is it that Miltiades calls you Zan....um.....just tying to remember..... oh yes ....you porky telling Ploooooooooonker!

Get a life mate.....oh and a bike.... and get outta here. :twisted:

Are you ever going to make any sense or are you content with sounding like a prat???

1963 was witnessed by the world.....I witnessed it and my family witnessed it.....Now you go feck yourself and try telling me what I am supposed to be lying about instead of just blowing out of your butt......You know what....You sound more like GR than normal when you spout off like that...Just even more prattish

Are you saying a 3 year old child could reliably witness such adult behaviour as alleged apartheid, understand what it meant and remember it henceforth?

Zon you.....pronker...

Ask that single braincell of yours this:-

(I'll keep it simple for you)

What will CY historians, what will historians in Turkey or even your crippy tncr write about in five hundred years time:-

Will it be:-

A. The events of 1974 ?

or will it be

B. Viewpoint being allegedly turfed off a beach for swimming in his underwear ?

Answers on a postcard please.

Prize on offer :- a second brain cell. subject to terms and conditions

All victims are VIPs in my eyes. I do not like you make any hideous distinction between the victims of any CY community in any time period.

If you go back and read what was posted I am challenging VP's unsubstantiated claim of apartheid on beaches. He has had the chance to post evidence to back up his claims but has failed to do so.

He has also had the chance to contradict Nikitas first hand testimony. He has again failed to do so.

Rather than debating the specific matter, as ever, on goes the usual gramophone record in a useless attempt to distract and derail debate.

Where is your evidence on apartheid on CY beaches? Put up some evidence of this apartheid or get out of here.

Whats the matter with Halils personal account...Or do you want some more obscure reference so that you can say it is meaningless because of the author. You better start realising that there are people on this Forum that can give you more evidence than you need......If you are going to tell me that Halil is a lier then you are a bigger idiot then I think you are already.....Go meet the man and then tell me that he is capable of lying!!!!!

[Nikitas]

VP and Zan are dishing up nonsense.

In the summer of 1973 I spent lots of time at 5 mile beach in Kyrenia and even more time at a place called Kalamies in Famagusta. There were TCs working in both places.

The TC staff at Kalamies would take turns for dips in the sea alongside the locals anf tourists. There were no police or even lifeguards to check on them or anyone else at the time.

And please tell us you two paragons of memory, how does a police officer distinguish between ethnicities when the people are in bathing suits in the water?

If you want to talk about discrimination at least focus on the reality, which was that the standard of living by the late 60s had diverged so much that few TCs could afford to visit the beachside bars and restaurants. Now that would be a true statement and a more valid point than these idiotic allegations of beach apartheid.

[EricSeans]

Reading and writing in this section of the Forum can easily lead to despair...I often think bitterness ,hatred and the desire for vengeance are what drives most people...Then I read something in a book and it warms my heart instantly...I want to share my last such moment with you...

The time is sometime soon after April,1865...The Place St Paul's Episcopal Church,Richmond,USA...At the start of the Holly Communion a tall,well-dressed Black man sitting in the Negro section of the Church rose and walked to the communion table before any of the White parishioners...

"The congregation froze;those who had been ready to go forward and kneel at the altar rail remained fixed in their pews.Momentarily stunned,the Minister himself was clearly embarrassed. The horror- and the surprise- of the congregation were no doubt largely visceral,but The Minister's silent retreat was evident. It was one thing for the white South to endure defeat and poverty,or to accept tha fact that slaves were now free;it was quite another for a black man to stride up to the front of the church as though an equal. And not just any church,but here,at the sanctuary of Richmond's elite,the wealthy,the well-bred,the high-cultured.

The black man slowly lowered his body,kneeling,while the rest of the congregation tensed in their pews.For his part,the minister stood,clearly uncomfortable and still dumbfounded."


Then a tall, older man,one of the church's many distinquised communicants rose and walked proudly up to the chancel rail:

"...with quiet dignity and self-possession,he knelt down to partake of the communion,along the same rail with the black man...The other comminicants slowly followed in his path,going forward to the altar,and,with a mixture of reluctance and fear,hope and awkward expectation,into the future..."

And who was this distinguished gentleman???? No other than Robert E. Lee,the formidable Southern commander who months earlier was engaged in a bitter,blood-soaked struggle to maintain a way of life defined by Slavery ...a manifestly indecent ambition...


The quotes are from "April,1865: The Month that saved America" by Jay Winik

I can see all the people on this side of the rail and the humanity Bir but who s on the other side...Who is nailed to the cross???? If it is Cyprus then we are all praying for her return....If it is the "RoC" then I will not kneel and pray to the devil because another man is doing so...I would rather help him to his feet and walk out of there together......

Zan...For my own sanity, every now and then,I need to remind myself and everyone else that as humans we are capable of more than just bitterness,hatred,and the desire for vengeance...If we could just find the courage and moral fortitude of that Black man,we might just be rewarded by the graciousness and decency and the siprit of reconciliation shown by one Robert E.Lee...

The whole bloody problem has scarred us all emotionally and psychologically in different ways,so we react very differently to stress which comes from trying to have a sensible discussion about it all.
I refuse to believe that those on the "other" side are not capable of empathy,understanding and compassion for the plight of the TCs...They just don't know it yet...

When sitting by a camp fire and a hungry man comes and request food I feed him...When a lion approaches and looks at ME as the food then grab a burning log and chase him away. I see no need to wait and ponder if the lion knows he is a lion or not.....

When the axe went into woods, the trees said: "The handle's one of us."

One of the best Turkish proverbs I've heard - along with the one about cats. How does that go again?

[zan]

VP and Zan are dishing up nonsense.

In the summer of 1973 I spent lots of time at 5 mile beach in Kyrenia and even more time at a place called Kalamies in Famagusta. There were TCs working in both places.

The TC staff at Kalamies would take turns for dips in the sea alongside the locals anf tourists. There were no police or even lifeguards to check on them or anyone else at the time.

And please tell us you two paragons of memory, how does a police officer distinguish between ethnicities when the people are in bathing suits in the water?

If you want to talk about discrimination at least focus on the reality, which was that the standard of living by the late 60s had diverged so much that few TCs could afford to visit the beachside bars and restaurants. Now that would be a true statement and a more valid point than these idiotic allegations of beach apartheid.

Life must have been wonderful for you in your little haven Nikitas...I think that most Germans said that they did not know what was going on in the concentration camps either....