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[denizaksulu]

Here is a reminder that Makarios and Grivas were viewed as Heroes .. not just by GCs ... and further proof that they were fighting the Brits for Freedom and not towards Enosis as TCs and Bananiot suggest ...

Heroes at Odds

Monday, Oct. 05, 1959

In their stubborn four-year fight against Britain, Greek Cypriots had two respected chiefs. For military leadership they looked to daring, irascible George Grivas, the Greek army colonel who led their guerrilla bands. For political and spiritual guidance they relied on black-bearded Archbishop Makarios, head of Cyprus' Greek Orthodox Church and ethnarch of Cyprus' Greeks. Last week, with establishment of an independent Cypriot Republic only five months away, Cyprus' two heroes .....

I keep scratching my head at your one-eyed version of our history,Oracle...Yes EOKA was fighting for freedom but also for ENOSIS...If you can't accept this simple historical truth there is really no point in talking to you...Makarios was not a hero for 20% of Cypriots,and Grivas was not a hero either, to somewhat larger percentage of Cypriots...
We really need to find common heros for all Cypriots,and alas,they are very few...

I don't think they were fighting for Enosis in the latter half of the '50s Bir and that is an extract from TIME written in 1959, which indicates the battle was against the Brits and not a battle to join Greece.

It's obvious the idea of Enosis was so convenient it was used against them even when they focused on their main objective (removal of Britain).... and even now it's still being brought up by the Turk-TCs as a way by which to judge every call for our freedom. Such a convenient but inaccurate reason to keep us enslaved by Turkey now, I am surprised that people like you still bring it up so readily.

Oracle,you are very good at finding links about issues you want to press.
Try searching for Makarios' speeches troughout the 60s where he openly admits ENOSIS is still the major aim...I am not making this up.I would do it myself but I am not very good at searching the net,and it will take me ages,time I do not have...Please get urself educated on the 1963-74 period of our history....You would be very surprised what you might dig up...If you go about it honestly...Is that too much to ask????

Who was it that uttered the famous words, "I see no ships", with his telescope on the eye with an eye-patch? Was it Nelson?

[BirKibrisli]

Here is a reminder that Makarios and Grivas were viewed as Heroes .. not just by GCs ... and further proof that they were fighting the Brits for Freedom and not towards Enosis as TCs and Bananiot suggest ...

Heroes at Odds

Monday, Oct. 05, 1959

In their stubborn four-year fight against Britain, Greek Cypriots had two respected chiefs. For military leadership they looked to daring, irascible George Grivas, the Greek army colonel who led their guerrilla bands. For political and spiritual guidance they relied on black-bearded Archbishop Makarios, head of Cyprus' Greek Orthodox Church and ethnarch of Cyprus' Greeks. Last week, with establishment of an independent Cypriot Republic only five months away, Cyprus' two heroes .....

I keep scratching my head at your one-eyed version of our history,Oracle...Yes EOKA was fighting for freedom but also for ENOSIS...If you can't accept this simple historical truth there is really no point in talking to you...Makarios was not a hero for 20% of Cypriots,and Grivas was not a hero either, to somewhat larger percentage of Cypriots...
We really need to find common heros for all Cypriots,and alas,they are very few...

I don't think they were fighting for Enosis in the latter half of the '50s Bir and that is an extract from TIME written in 1959, which indicates the battle was against the Brits and not a battle to join Greece.

It's obvious the idea of Enosis was so convenient it was used against them even when they focused on their main objective (removal of Britain).... and even now it's still being brought up by the Turk-TCs as a way by which to judge every call for our freedom. Such a convenient but inaccurate reason to keep us enslaved by Turkey now, I am surprised that people like you still bring it up so readily.

Oracle,you are very good at finding links about issues you want to press.
Try searching for Makarios' speeches troughout the 60s where he openly admits ENOSIS is still the major aim...I am not making this up.I would do it myself but I am not very good at searching the net,and it will take me ages,time I do not have...Please get urself educated on the 1963-74 period of our history....You would be very surprised what you might dig up...If you go about it honestly...Is that too much to ask????

I am very interested in that period of history. But I don't actually have that much time for Internet searches as I am juggling other more pressing matters. I don't set much score by most Internet specific articles, which is why trustworthy News article archives matter more.

I am glad you are keeping an open mind...I will try to dig up some hopefully reliable sources for you to consider...It would do my internet search skills plenty of good,I am sure...

[Get Real!]

Who was it that uttered the famous words, "I see no ships", with his telescope on the eye with an eye-patch? Was it Nelson?

Reminds me of the "Malta yok!" story...

"In the year 1645, the story goes, the Ottoman sultan Ibrahim the Mad ordered his fleet to attack the Christian island of Malta in the western Mediterranean. Upon receiving the order, however, Ibrahim’s chief admiral, fearing such a move would end in disaster, placed a candle on his naval map, allowed the wax drippings to fall on the little island until they covered it, declared to his adjutants “Malta yok”, and sailed off to attack the Venetians in Crete."

[BirKibrisli]

Here is a reminder that Makarios and Grivas were viewed as Heroes .. not just by GCs ... and further proof that they were fighting the Brits for Freedom and not towards Enosis as TCs and Bananiot suggest ...

Heroes at Odds

Monday, Oct. 05, 1959

In their stubborn four-year fight against Britain, Greek Cypriots had two respected chiefs. For military leadership they looked to daring, irascible George Grivas, the Greek army colonel who led their guerrilla bands. For political and spiritual guidance they relied on black-bearded Archbishop Makarios, head of Cyprus' Greek Orthodox Church and ethnarch of Cyprus' Greeks. Last week, with establishment of an independent Cypriot Republic only five months away, Cyprus' two heroes .....

I keep scratching my head at your one-eyed version of our history,Oracle...Yes EOKA was fighting for freedom but also for ENOSIS...If you can't accept this simple historical truth there is really no point in talking to you...Makarios was not a hero for 20% of Cypriots,and Grivas was not a hero either, to somewhat larger percentage of Cypriots...
We really need to find common heros for all Cypriots,and alas,they are very few...

I don't think they were fighting for Enosis in the latter half of the '50s Bir and that is an extract from TIME written in 1959, which indicates the battle was against the Brits and not a battle to join Greece.

It's obvious the idea of Enosis was so convenient it was used against them even when they focused on their main objective (removal of Britain).... and even now it's still being brought up by the Turk-TCs as a way by which to judge every call for our freedom. Such a convenient but inaccurate reason to keep us enslaved by Turkey now, I am surprised that people like you still bring it up so readily.

Oracle,you are very good at finding links about issues you want to press.
Try searching for Makarios' speeches troughout the 60s where he openly admits ENOSIS is still the major aim...I am not making this up.I would do it myself but I am not very good at searching the net,and it will take me ages,time I do not have...Please get urself educated on the 1963-74 period of our history....You would be very surprised what you might dig up...If you go about it honestly...Is that too much to ask????

Who was it that uttered the famous words, "I see no ships", with his telescope on the eye with an eye-patch? Was it Nelson?

Now now...Lets give Oracle the chance to redeem herself...You can help too by searching for those Makarios speeches from the 60s...

[Oracle]

Here is a reminder that Makarios and Grivas were viewed as Heroes .. not just by GCs ... and further proof that they were fighting the Brits for Freedom and not towards Enosis as TCs and Bananiot suggest ...

Heroes at Odds

Monday, Oct. 05, 1959

In their stubborn four-year fight against Britain, Greek Cypriots had two respected chiefs. For military leadership they looked to daring, irascible George Grivas, the Greek army colonel who led their guerrilla bands. For political and spiritual guidance they relied on black-bearded Archbishop Makarios, head of Cyprus' Greek Orthodox Church and ethnarch of Cyprus' Greeks. Last week, with establishment of an independent Cypriot Republic only five months away, Cyprus' two heroes .....

I keep scratching my head at your one-eyed version of our history,Oracle...Yes EOKA was fighting for freedom but also for ENOSIS...If you can't accept this simple historical truth there is really no point in talking to you...Makarios was not a hero for 20% of Cypriots,and Grivas was not a hero either, to somewhat larger percentage of Cypriots...
We really need to find common heros for all Cypriots,and alas,they are very few...

I don't think they were fighting for Enosis in the latter half of the '50s Bir and that is an extract from TIME written in 1959, which indicates the battle was against the Brits and not a battle to join Greece.

It's obvious the idea of Enosis was so convenient it was used against them even when they focused on their main objective (removal of Britain).... and even now it's still being brought up by the Turk-TCs as a way by which to judge every call for our freedom. Such a convenient but inaccurate reason to keep us enslaved by Turkey now, I am surprised that people like you still bring it up so readily.

Oracle,you are very good at finding links about issues you want to press.
Try searching for Makarios' speeches troughout the 60s where he openly admits ENOSIS is still the major aim...I am not making this up.I would do it myself but I am not very good at searching the net,and it will take me ages,time I do not have...Please get urself educated on the 1963-74 period of our history....You would be very surprised what you might dig up...If you go about it honestly...Is that too much to ask????

Who was it that uttered the famous words, "I see no ships", with his telescope on the eye with an eye-patch? Was it Nelson?

Now now...Lets give Oracle the chance to redeem herself...You can help too by searching for those Makarios speeches from the 60s...

Don't be so smug .... neither of you has done much but mutter your vintage thoughts! Hardly credible

[denizaksulu]

Who was it that uttered the famous words, "I see no ships", with his telescope on the eye with an eye-patch? Was it Nelson?

Reminds me of the "Malta yok!" story...

"In the year 1645, the story goes, the Ottoman sultan Ibrahim the Mad ordered his fleet to attack the Christian island of Malta in the western Mediterranean. Upon receiving the order, however, Ibrahim’s chief admiral, fearing such a move would end in disaster, placed a candle on his naval map, allowed the wax drippings to fall on the little island until they covered it, declared to his adjutants “Malta yok”, and sailed off to attack the Venetians in Crete."

He is no idiot the Mad Ibrahim. Naturally he went for the bigger prize.

[Get Real!]

Now now...Lets give Oracle the chance to redeem herself...You can help too by searching for those Makarios speeches from the 60s...

Your argument is based on the assumption that the infamous… “Makarios newspaper quotes” are genuine quotes, but anyone who has a good look into this case will find that most of these were downright ridiculous “quotes” being invented and published by the opposing press.

I’ve lost count how many times I’ve seen newspaper snippets that start with an alleged date followed by… “Makarios said…”! If one was to pin the journalist/writer down you’d find that he has either manufactured the quote himself to sell newspapers or push an agenda, or pinched it from some other fool who invented it at an earlier date. Any publication, be it a newspaper, book or magazine that does NOT quote its original source of reference is not worth the paper it is written on.

Makarios, was a very intelligent man and WAY ahead of his time to have been stupid enough to say some of the things he is being accused of saying in public, so if it looks too good to be true chances are it’s not!

[Get Real!]

Who was it that uttered the famous words, "I see no ships", with his telescope on the eye with an eye-patch? Was it Nelson?

Reminds me of the "Malta yok!" story...

"In the year 1645, the story goes, the Ottoman sultan Ibrahim the Mad ordered his fleet to attack the Christian island of Malta in the western Mediterranean. Upon receiving the order, however, Ibrahim’s chief admiral, fearing such a move would end in disaster, placed a candle on his naval map, allowed the wax drippings to fall on the little island until they covered it, declared to his adjutants “Malta yok”, and sailed off to attack the Venetians in Crete."

He is no idiot the Mad Ibrahim. Naturally he went for the bigger prize.

I should've posted the next sentence too which reads…

“The siege of Crete lasted 24 years, in the third of which Ibrahim lost his head, and the Venetians finally surrendered in 1669.”

[denizaksulu]

Who was it that uttered the famous words, "I see no ships", with his telescope on the eye with an eye-patch? Was it Nelson?

Reminds me of the "Malta yok!" story...

"In the year 1645, the story goes, the Ottoman sultan Ibrahim the Mad ordered his fleet to attack the Christian island of Malta in the western Mediterranean. Upon receiving the order, however, Ibrahim’s chief admiral, fearing such a move would end in disaster, placed a candle on his naval map, allowed the wax drippings to fall on the little island until they covered it, declared to his adjutants “Malta yok”, and sailed off to attack the Venetians in Crete."

He is no idiot the Mad Ibrahim. Naturally he went for the bigger prize.

I should've posted the next sentence too which reads…

“The siege of Crete lasted 24 years, in the third of which Ibrahim lost his head, and the Venetians finally surrendered in 1669.”

.................and the siege of Rhodes took twice (almost) as longer and the Maltese sieges failed twice, so did the Viennese Campaigns. Are you going to say something new GR. Dont keep us in suspense.

[Get Real!]

Who was it that uttered the famous words, "I see no ships", with his telescope on the eye with an eye-patch? Was it Nelson?

Reminds me of the "Malta yok!" story...

"In the year 1645, the story goes, the Ottoman sultan Ibrahim the Mad ordered his fleet to attack the Christian island of Malta in the western Mediterranean. Upon receiving the order, however, Ibrahim’s chief admiral, fearing such a move would end in disaster, placed a candle on his naval map, allowed the wax drippings to fall on the little island until they covered it, declared to his adjutants “Malta yok”, and sailed off to attack the Venetians in Crete."

He is no idiot the Mad Ibrahim. Naturally he went for the bigger prize.

I should've posted the next sentence too which reads…

“The siege of Crete lasted 24 years, in the third of which Ibrahim lost his head, and the Venetians finally surrendered in 1669.”

.................and the siege of Rhodes took twice (almost) as longer and the Maltese sieges failed twice, so did the Viennese Campaigns. Are you going to say something new GR. Dont keep us in suspense.

I'm just a bit confused about the "lost his head" bit... is that literally?