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[zan]

zan thats how GCs are they avoid the real question and repeat the same old shit, if you are commited to a united Cyprus as you claim Miltiades its the Gcs you have to convinse to share the island eqaully under a BBF with political equality of the 2 communities.

Seems they won't VP...The IOC looks better day by day!!

[zan]

zan thats how GCs are they avoid the real question and repeat the same old shit, if you are commited to a united Cyprus as you claim Miltiades its the Gcs you have to convinse to share the island eqaully under a BBF with political equality of the 2 communities.

And Turkey with the legal right to intervene at will anywhere in Cyprus , correct , this is what you want me to convince the G/Cs to accept ?
Do you also want me to convince the G/Cs that the 200 thousand Anatolian settlers should remain in Cyprus and have equal rights to the rest of us ?
VP , can you ever put yourself in a G/Cs shoes , someone who lost his ancestral home because Turkey invaded Cyprus and took it away from him , do you now want me to tell him to forget it , accept the settlers and accept that the invader will be given a new legal right to intervene anywhere in Cyprus ? ? Not on your Nellie mate.

Your doing your best to convince us to leave our country to you though..Perhaps you efforts might be more appreciated there!!

[zan]

Halil , you dont have to tell me that you do not live in "stolen" property.
I agree that electricity and other comforts have made our life a lot more comfortable.
I also did not have electricity , apart from my two years in the orphanage , but on returning in 1955 to my village we still did not have electricity.
I agree that fear plays a horrendous part in anyone's life , but it is a fact that fear came from both sides of the extremists , the EOKA B , and the TMT , both instilled fear in peoples hearts. You corrected me sometime back by reminding me of the murders of T/Cs on November 15th 1967 , and you also stated that no casualties since that dreadful date until 1974.So surely Halil if people survived some 7 years without any casualties what makes anyone now think that uniting the Cypriot people would lead to anarchy and communal strife. I believe not provided the people really want a fresh start as I'm sure they do.
Im totaly commited to a united Cyprus , united Cypriots , foreign troops out , all Cypriots enjoying equal rights and will always challenge any divisionist ideas or recognition of a separate nation within Cyprus . Im as you very well know a 100% Cypriot who sees only Cypriots and only majorities , and majorities we all are.

Miltiades ,
I said some of u will say that i live on stolen property not u . when ever we try to tell how things are changed in our live ... they comes straight away with this idea . which is not always true .

you are correct no one get hurt between that time u said at above but it doesnt mean it did help peoples life to improve their lives . they were in fear ... they couldn't do free bussiness like today , they couldn't make their lifes better ... thats why they left Cyprus to UK ,Australia ,Turkey and other part of the countries .

As soon as invation started Miltiades our villages were under the gun fire again 74 . I was tald u that i have been at front line in 74 ...I was 17 years old that time . i have been called ... I have witness bad side of the war .how it was .... from the morning of 20th july how we were under the heavy gun fire . we were nt firing to anybody that time . i have seen with my own eyes how 2 young TC's men got killed by these fires . İn tree days 17 of them been killed under the heavy fire .Turkish Army came to our villages after 24 july . than everything was quite for our villages .

When i hear sometimes that no one is get killed in 74 ... İ can not ignore it .

i better off now .... i hate to talk about those days ......... war is realy bad and scary .... terrible ....

And they still try to tell us how it was when we were in the thick of it.....Stories from my family in every letter....

[miltiades]

Halil , you dont have to tell me that you do not live in "stolen" property.
I agree that electricity and other comforts have made our life a lot more comfortable.
I also did not have electricity , apart from my two years in the orphanage , but on returning in 1955 to my village we still did not have electricity.
I agree that fear plays a horrendous part in anyone's life , but it is a fact that fear came from both sides of the extremists , the EOKA B , and the TMT , both instilled fear in peoples hearts. You corrected me sometime back by reminding me of the murders of T/Cs on November 15th 1967 , and you also stated that no casualties since that dreadful date until 1974.So surely Halil if people survived some 7 years without any casualties what makes anyone now think that uniting the Cypriot people would lead to anarchy and communal strife. I believe not provided the people really want a fresh start as I'm sure they do.
I'm totally committed to a united Cyprus , united Cypriots , foreign troops out , all Cypriots enjoying equal rights and will always challenge any divisionist ideas or recognition of a separate nation within Cyprus . I'm as you very well know a 100% Cypriot who sees only Cypriots and only majorities , and majorities we all are.

Why do you keep ignoring the siege in that period.... Living in peace..what the hell is the wrong with you

Zan , why this obsession with the past , these events are more than 40 years old , most Cypriots were not even born then, cant you just lay the past to rest and devote your energy to the future ? Cant you see that Cyprus today IS NOT Cyprus OF 1963 ? You are besotted with EOKA , GRIVAS , MEGALIFUCKING IDEA AND ALL OTHER GHOSTS . Zan , wake up mate that was the last century as relevant as the Ottoman invasion of 1571 !!
Wake up man , face the future not the past.

I will tell you once again Miltiades and hope it sticks this time:

I was born the same year the first Republic ever was formed in Cyprus....I was the first generation born into the Cyprus Republic. My rights were assured under the Zurich agreement and my future secured. I was 3 years old and that right was taken away from me by bloodshed and at gunpoint. Why should I let it go just like that. Why should I put my future now in the hands of the likes of Tpap and a church that does not let the government change history books that tell of barbaric Turks....WHY!!!

That was last century , 48 years ago , and dont kid yourself that only T/Cs suffered . The extremists from both sides made sure that all that disagreed with them faced the wrath of their disapproval.
1958 , the beginning , I believe of the first inter communal incident , started by the T/C extremists egged on by Britain .
All Cypriots suffered , hatred was widespread , propaganda was abound ,
the fanatics ruled , that was then .
The RoC is an EU member nation now , all of it including the occupied part.
The "trnc" is isolated unrecognised , non productive in any material goods , does not even have its own passports or currency , are you telling me that it , the "trnc" can thrive under these conditions ?

[zan]

Halil , you dont have to tell me that you do not live in "stolen" property.
I agree that electricity and other comforts have made our life a lot more comfortable.
I also did not have electricity , apart from my two years in the orphanage , but on returning in 1955 to my village we still did not have electricity.
I agree that fear plays a horrendous part in anyone's life , but it is a fact that fear came from both sides of the extremists , the EOKA B , and the TMT , both instilled fear in peoples hearts. You corrected me sometime back by reminding me of the murders of T/Cs on November 15th 1967 , and you also stated that no casualties since that dreadful date until 1974.So surely Halil if people survived some 7 years without any casualties what makes anyone now think that uniting the Cypriot people would lead to anarchy and communal strife. I believe not provided the people really want a fresh start as I'm sure they do.
I'm totally committed to a united Cyprus , united Cypriots , foreign troops out , all Cypriots enjoying equal rights and will always challenge any divisionist ideas or recognition of a separate nation within Cyprus . I'm as you very well know a 100% Cypriot who sees only Cypriots and only majorities , and majorities we all are.

Why do you keep ignoring the siege in that period.... Living in peace..what the hell is the wrong with you

Zan , why this obsession with the past , these events are more than 40 years old , most Cypriots were not even born then, cant you just lay the past to rest and devote your energy to the future ? Cant you see that Cyprus today IS NOT Cyprus OF 1963 ? You are besotted with EOKA , GRIVAS , MEGALIFUCKING IDEA AND ALL OTHER GHOSTS . Zan , wake up mate that was the last century as relevant as the Ottoman invasion of 1571 !!
Wake up man , face the future not the past.

I will tell you once again Miltiades and hope it sticks this time:

I was born the same year the first Republic ever was formed in Cyprus....I was the first generation born into the Cyprus Republic. My rights were assured under the Zurich agreement and my future secured. I was 3 years old and that right was taken away from me by bloodshed and at gunpoint. Why should I let it go just like that. Why should I put my future now in the hands of the likes of Tpap and a church that does not let the government change history books that tell of barbaric Turks....WHY!!!

That was last century , 48 years ago , and dont kid yourself that only T/Cs suffered . The extremists from both sides made sure that all that disagreed with them faced the wrath of their disapproval.
1958 , the beginning , I believe of the first inter communal incident , started by the T/C extremists egged on by Britain .
All Cypriots suffered , hatred was widespread , propaganda was abound ,
the fanatics ruled , that was then .
The RoC is an EU member nation now , all of it including the occupied part.
The "trnc" is isolated unrecognised , non productive in any material goods , does not even have its own passports or currency , are you telling me that it , the "trnc" can thrive under these conditions ?

Why do I feel that you are rubbing it in..... Never mind..We are doing just fine so please don't worry for us. It still takes nothing away from the fact that your "RoC" is made up from the one I was born into and not the same...Enjoy!!!

[utu]

The OIC giving "Cyprus Turkish State" full membership would be seen as formal recognition. Unless some OIC members take that step seperately, I don't think OIC upgrading of CTS' status will happen.