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[zan]

Did he also say that the Cypriot people never ventured out from their island to harm anybody, but it is the murderous Turks who invaded us and oppressed for 3+ centuries?

Did he also say that the conflict during which he cries they suffered, was again started by the Turks in 1958 when they attacked us and collaborated with the British in order to deny to the Cypriot people their freedom and self-determination?

Or he just talked only about their suffering in that conflict, without mentioning our suffering during it, without mentioning that it is them who started it, without mentioning the suffering the Turks have caused to the native Cypriot people before that conflict, and without mentioning the suffering the Turks have caused to us after the conflict? Aparently he just remembered 1% of history, and even that 1% he distorted it to his liking! He forgot everything that didn't suit him during that conflict (including the "detail" that it is the TCs who started it) and he forgot everything that happened before and after that mere decade!

The fact is that is that it is the Turks who invaded our island with the aim to enslave and oppress us, it is them again who attacked us again and collaborated with the British in order to deny Cyprus its freedom, and it is them who again invaded in 1974 killing 1000s of people and ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands. And today they are looking for lame excuses to continue with yet more crimes against the Cypriot people.

HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF ENOSIS WAS THE CAUSE MATE!!!!!Not your lame excuse and hang ups on one year that you found and got excited about

[miltiades]

Do you give up on other avenues when you are trying to negotiate with GCs knowing full well that these talks have no chance of success. You have to keep your other options alive.

The only options available VP are the options leading to the unification of our island , occupying troops out , equal rights for all Cypriots and a bright new future for all our people.
Recognition of the Turkish mainland creation consisting of an overwhelming mainland Turkish citizens will not succeed and if it does it will be like a time bomb waiting to explode. The Cypriot people , G/Cs as well as T/Cs will not accept the annexation of a part of Cyprus by Turkey .Make no mistake , Turkey IS the power in the occupied part such is usually the role of an occupying power .
Here in London I hear it day in and day out from T/Cs that do not like what is happening to their country , they want to remain as T/Cs and preserve their identity. The Zans of this world are the minority , they are the non T/Cs , they have never experienced their T/Cypriotness , they have never felt and touched their T/Cypriotness this is the reason they are willing to sign it away to Turkey , they have never had in the first place so something they never had they cant lose.
The voice of the T/Cs will become louder and louder as time goes on.

[zan]

Do you give up on other avenues when you are trying to negotiate with GCs knowing full well that these talks have no chance of success. You have to keep your other options alive.

The only options available VP are the options leading to the unification of our island , occupying troops out , equal rights for all Cypriots and a bright new future for all our people.
Recognition of the Turkish mainland creation consisting of an overwhelming mainland Turkish citizens will not succeed and if it does it will be like a time bomb waiting to explode. The Cypriot people , G/Cs as well as T/Cs will not accept the annexation of a part of Cyprus by Turkey .Make no mistake , Turkey IS the power in the occupied part such is usually the role of an occupying power .
Here in London I hear it day in and day out from T/Cs that do not like what is happening to their country , they want to remain as T/Cs and preserve their identity. The Zans of this world are the minority , they are the non T/Cs , they have never experienced their T/Cypriotness , they have never felt and touched their T/Cypriotness this is the reason they are willing to sign it away to Turkey , they have never had in the first place so something they never had they cant lose.
The voice of the T/Cs will become louder and louder as time goes on.

I hope you wrote to Santa and expressed your wishes Miltiades...... Who was that guy trying to hold back the tide....Is he still there???

[Viewpoint]

Do you give up on other avenues when you are trying to negotiate with GCs knowing full well that these talks have no chance of success. You have to keep your other options alive.

The only options available VP are the options leading to the unification of our island , occupying troops out , equal rights for all Cypriots and a bright new future for all our people.
Recognition of the Turkish mainland creation consisting of an overwhelming mainland Turkish citizens will not succeed and if it does it will be like a time bomb waiting to explode. The Cypriot people , G/Cs as well as T/Cs will not accept the annexation of a part of Cyprus by Turkey .Make no mistake , Turkey IS the power in the occupied part such is usually the role of an occupying power .
Here in London I hear it day in and day out from T/Cs that do not like what is happening to their country , they want to remain as T/Cs and preserve their identity. The Zans of this world are the minority , they are the non T/Cs , they have never experienced their T/Cypriotness , they have never felt and touched their T/Cypriotness this is the reason they are willing to sign it away to Turkey , they have never had in the first place so something they never had they cant lose.
The voice of the T/Cs will become louder and louder as time goes on.

1963 to 1974 vs 1974 to 2008 which do you think TCs prefer? During which time have they seen their standard of life improve, whom have they built strong ties with? and who safeguards and financially supports them? Why throw all this away on the chance that GCs will treat them as equals and share Cyprus?

[zan]

Do you give up on other avenues when you are trying to negotiate with GCs knowing full well that these talks have no chance of success. You have to keep your other options alive.

The only options available VP are the options leading to the unification of our island , occupying troops out , equal rights for all Cypriots and a bright new future for all our people.
Recognition of the Turkish mainland creation consisting of an overwhelming mainland Turkish citizens will not succeed and if it does it will be like a time bomb waiting to explode. The Cypriot people , G/Cs as well as T/Cs will not accept the annexation of a part of Cyprus by Turkey .Make no mistake , Turkey IS the power in the occupied part such is usually the role of an occupying power .
Here in London I hear it day in and day out from T/Cs that do not like what is happening to their country , they want to remain as T/Cs and preserve their identity. The Zans of this world are the minority , they are the non T/Cs , they have never experienced their T/Cypriotness , they have never felt and touched their T/Cypriotness this is the reason they are willing to sign it away to Turkey , they have never had in the first place so something they never had they cant lose.
The voice of the T/Cs will become louder and louder as time goes on.

1963 to 1974 vs 1974 to 2008 which do you think TCs prefer? During which time have they seen their standard of life improve, whom have they built strong ties with? and who safeguards and financially supports them? Why throw all this away on the chance that GCs will treat them as equals and share Cyprus?

We haqve for every permutation there is and all they offer us, like Miltiades, is the "RoC" without our rights under the Zurich agreement.....All I can say is that they had better change their tune because the TCs really have had enough....The "RoC" can survive without us notherwise...

[miltiades]

Do you give up on other avenues when you are trying to negotiate with GCs knowing full well that these talks have no chance of success. You have to keep your other options alive.

The only options available VP are the options leading to the unification of our island , occupying troops out , equal rights for all Cypriots and a bright new future for all our people.
Recognition of the Turkish mainland creation consisting of an overwhelming mainland Turkish citizens will not succeed and if it does it will be like a time bomb waiting to explode. The Cypriot people , G/Cs as well as T/Cs will not accept the annexation of a part of Cyprus by Turkey .Make no mistake , Turkey IS the power in the occupied part such is usually the role of an occupying power .
Here in London I hear it day in and day out from T/Cs that do not like what is happening to their country , they want to remain as T/Cs and preserve their identity. The Zans of this world are the minority , they are the non T/Cs , they have never experienced their T/Cypriotness , they have never felt and touched their T/Cypriotness this is the reason they are willing to sign it away to Turkey , they have never had in the first place so something they never had they cant lose.
The voice of the T/Cs will become louder and louder as time goes on.

1963 to 1974 vs 1974 to 2008 which do you think TCs prefer? During which time have they seen their standard of life improve, whom have they built strong ties with? and who safeguards and financially supports them? Why throw all this away on the chance that GCs will treat them as equals and share Cyprus?

Their standard of living improved ?? Which T/Cs are you talking about VP , the more than half that emigrated or the few thousand that have feathered their nests while others are barely surviving.
Do you know the exact or the approximate number of T/Cs left in Cyprus ?
Please tell me if you know , I have been told that there are about 60 thousand , is this figure correct ?

[zan]

Do you give up on other avenues when you are trying to negotiate with GCs knowing full well that these talks have no chance of success. You have to keep your other options alive.

The only options available VP are the options leading to the unification of our island , occupying troops out , equal rights for all Cypriots and a bright new future for all our people.
Recognition of the Turkish mainland creation consisting of an overwhelming mainland Turkish citizens will not succeed and if it does it will be like a time bomb waiting to explode. The Cypriot people , G/Cs as well as T/Cs will not accept the annexation of a part of Cyprus by Turkey .Make no mistake , Turkey IS the power in the occupied part such is usually the role of an occupying power .
Here in London I hear it day in and day out from T/Cs that do not like what is happening to their country , they want to remain as T/Cs and preserve their identity. The Zans of this world are the minority , they are the non T/Cs , they have never experienced their T/Cypriotness , they have never felt and touched their T/Cypriotness this is the reason they are willing to sign it away to Turkey , they have never had in the first place so something they never had they cant lose.
The voice of the T/Cs will become louder and louder as time goes on.

1963 to 1974 vs 1974 to 2008 which do you think TCs prefer? During which time have they seen their standard of life improve, whom have they built strong ties with? and who safeguards and financially supports them? Why throw all this away on the chance that GCs will treat them as equals and share Cyprus?

Their standard of living improved ?? Which T/Cs are you talking about VP , the more than half that emigrated or the few thousand that have feathered their nests while others are barely surviving.
Do you know the exact or the approximate number of T/Cs left in Cyprus ?
Please tell me if you know , I have been told that there are about 60 thousand , is this figure correct ?

Well I would say the TC that owns the restaurant that I went to with Turks working in it and all those TCs that are renting to Turks all over the TRNC...

And you have a cheek when you ask how many TCs are left with an air of superiority......It seems you did not give a shit when it was your lot responsible but now want to blame the whole thing on Turkey

[Viewpoint]

Do you give up on other avenues when you are trying to negotiate with GCs knowing full well that these talks have no chance of success. You have to keep your other options alive.

The only options available VP are the options leading to the unification of our island , occupying troops out , equal rights for all Cypriots and a bright new future for all our people.
Recognition of the Turkish mainland creation consisting of an overwhelming mainland Turkish citizens will not succeed and if it does it will be like a time bomb waiting to explode. The Cypriot people , G/Cs as well as T/Cs will not accept the annexation of a part of Cyprus by Turkey .Make no mistake , Turkey IS the power in the occupied part such is usually the role of an occupying power .
Here in London I hear it day in and day out from T/Cs that do not like what is happening to their country , they want to remain as T/Cs and preserve their identity. The Zans of this world are the minority , they are the non T/Cs , they have never experienced their T/Cypriotness , they have never felt and touched their T/Cypriotness this is the reason they are willing to sign it away to Turkey , they have never had in the first place so something they never had they cant lose.
The voice of the T/Cs will become louder and louder as time goes on.

1963 to 1974 vs 1974 to 2008 which do you think TCs prefer? During which time have they seen their standard of life improve, whom have they built strong ties with? and who safeguards and financially supports them? Why throw all this away on the chance that GCs will treat them as equals and share Cyprus?

Their standard of living improved ?? Which T/Cs are you talking about VP , the more than half that emigrated or the few thousand that have feathered their nests while others are barely surviving.
Do you know the exact or the approximate number of T/Cs left in Cyprus ?
Please tell me if you know , I have been told that there are about 60 thousand , is this figure correct ?

You are old enough to make an honest assesment of how TCs lived uner the "RoC" and how they live in the TRNC today, there is no comparision they have never been better off than they are today.

[miltiades]

How many are left in the "trnc" VP . Do you or does anyone else have a figure.

[halil]

Do you give up on other avenues when you are trying to negotiate with GCs knowing full well that these talks have no chance of success. You have to keep your other options alive.

The only options available VP are the options leading to the unification of our island , occupying troops out , equal rights for all Cypriots and a bright new future for all our people.
Recognition of the Turkish mainland creation consisting of an overwhelming mainland Turkish citizens will not succeed and if it does it will be like a time bomb waiting to explode. The Cypriot people , G/Cs as well as T/Cs will not accept the annexation of a part of Cyprus by Turkey .Make no mistake , Turkey IS the power in the occupied part such is usually the role of an occupying power .
Here in London I hear it day in and day out from T/Cs that do not like what is happening to their country , they want to remain as T/Cs and preserve their identity. The Zans of this world are the minority , they are the non T/Cs , they have never experienced their T/Cypriotness , they have never felt and touched their T/Cypriotness this is the reason they are willing to sign it away to Turkey , they have never had in the first place so something they never had they cant lose.
The voice of the T/Cs will become louder and louder as time goes on.

1963 to 1974 vs 1974 to 2008 which do you think TCs prefer? During which time have they seen their standard of life improve, whom have they built strong ties with? and who safeguards and financially supports them? Why throw all this away on the chance that GCs will treat them as equals and share Cyprus?

Their standard of living improved ?? Which T/Cs are you talking about VP , the more than half that emigrated or the few thousand that have feathered their nests while others are barely surviving.
Do you know the exact or the approximate number of T/Cs left in Cyprus ?
Please tell me if you know , I have been told that there are about 60 thousand , is this figure correct ?

Miltiades my dear friend let me tell u how my life is improved after 74 ...

I know some of u will tell that i have a stolen GC's property .... which i don't have any ... from begining i started with these words ....

ok .... i was born during british time .... it was 1957 .

intercommunal conflicts started in 1963 .... İ was 7 years old .....

we were living in enclave area .... we did not have electricity , no telephone , not asplath roads , no direct communications with out side world , no TV only limited radios ....without electricity ,it was difficult to drink cold water in summer times but around the our villages there was a GC or mixed villages there was a electricity and nice roads ... we have seen all these ones after 74 my dear friend .with electricity our life changed very quickly .... there was a fear every day and night in our lives before 74 .... what will happen tomorrow ....
now i am 51 years old , i can't swim ...see was only 15 kilometers from my home but i could not go .... FEAR my friend FEAR !!!!!! now i can go every where without fear or questioning .... no one can stop me and search my car .....

all those things are past now .... new chapter opened in my life .... İn this new chapter of my life i would like to build up something that those bad days will not happen again by doing this i must have respect to others rights as well ....

I don't agree with anybody who ever tries to tell us that our lives didn't improve in our lives it did .... I lived all those days and present day with my own experiences and no one knows it better than me or better than US .