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[Viewpoint]

political war is our best weapon not only for G/Cs but also for the average T/C who considers this island as his country and not necessarily the part of Cyprus that is under foreign occupation.

Where are they? I can only think of My friend who lives in the occupied areas and haes it, but he always lived in his village in the northern part of my occupied country. Birkibrisli would be the other and Kikapou, where's the rest of them. and anyone who wants their own little portion of Cyprus at the exclussion of other isn't a true cypriot and am not buying their hypocritism.

Do you want equality of the 2 communities? Do you want a level playing field in both the north and south states?

[Oracle]

political war is our best weapon not only for G/Cs but also for the average T/C who considers this island as his country and not necessarily the part of Cyprus that is under foreign occupation.

Where are they? I can only think of My friend who lives in the occupied areas and haes it, but he always lived in his village in the northern part of my occupied country. Birkibrisli would be the other and Kikapou, where's the rest of them. and anyone who wants their own little portion of Cyprus at the exclussion of other isn't a true cypriot and am not buying their hypocritism.

Do you want equality of the 2 communities? Do you want a level playing field in both the north and south states?

There are no north and south states you fantasist!

You are not worth discussing with as your perceptions are not for real.

You live in an illegally occupied part of Cyprus; unless you accept that, you will never accept truth, reality, humanity, hence you are useless.

[humanist]

Secondly, I have never advocated and I do not accept that all that is done is forgoten. I have advocated on this forum for an apology to TC's for the actions of some GC's in the 60"s. I have advocated on this same forum for legal action against the GC's involved in the Tochni massacre, I have advocated for equal right of TC's in Cyprus (that means equal no less no more) and I continue to advocate that TC's have played a major part of the development and evolution of the Cypriot culture and as such deserve equal standing in the Cypriot society (no more no less than any other Cypriot).

Papadopoulos was ousted by the citizens and voters of the RoC including some 1000TC’s because I know that some TC's voted in the elections.

You are not the bad guys what I am simply saying is that (a) Talat is not genuine about unification where he will play a role as vice president in the development and evolution of a United states of Cyprus or something like that. He has lacked foresight in working towards perhaps representing all of Cypriot people not just 18% and, (b) He perhaps is not able to make that pledge because he is not making the decisions because Turkey is making the decisions.

I have to admit I loose my cool on ocassion and go for the eye for an eye responses, and I have done it many times, and probably will do it again. However, my position stands as above. I would like to see your community take an active and participative role in the Cypriot Society and benefit from EU resources (whatever they may be), at one time in our history we have got to stop looking at the past and concentrate on the future if we want to make a better Cyprus for our children. Otherwise we are staying back there and there is nothing we can do to change those events. All the blame to be thrown around, back and forth it will not change the massacre of 63 and it will not change the events of 74. They are done they are history, we need to look to the future and there is an opportunity to make it happen.

[Oracle]

Something hurt you VP ....

[bill cobbett]

Secondly, I have never advocated and I do not accept that all that is done is forgoten. I have advocated on this forum for an apology to TC's for the actions of some GC's in the 60"s. I have advocated on this same forum for legal action against the GC's involved in the Tochni massacre, I have advocated for equal right of TC's in Cyprus (that means equal no less no more) and I continue to advocate that TC's have played a major part of the development and evolution of the Cypriot culture and as such deserve equal standing in the Cypriot society (no more no less than any other Cypriot).

Papadopoulos was ousted by the citizens and voters of the RoC including some 1000TC’s because I know that some TC's voted in the elections.

You are not the bad guys what I am simply saying is that (a) Talat is not genuine about unification where he will play a role as vice president in the development and evolution of a United states of Cyprus or something like that. He has lacked foresight in working towards perhaps representing all of Cypriot people not just 18% and, (b) He perhaps is not able to make that pledge because he is not making the decisions because Turkey is making the decisions.

I have to admit I loose my cool on ocassion and go for the eye for an eye responses, and I have done it many times, and probably will do it again. However, my position stands as above. I would like to see your community take an active and participative role in the Cypriot Society and benefit from EU resources (whatever they may be), at one time in our history we have got to stop looking at the past and concentrate on the future if we want to make a better Cyprus for our children. Otherwise we are staying back there and there is nothing we can do to change those events. All the blame to be thrown around, back and forth it will not change the massacre of 63 and it will not change the events of 74. They are done they are history, we need to look to the future and there is an opportunity to make it happen.

If I may Humanist, may I add loads of respect for this post. Well said mate/matess.

A round of applause fellow forumers for Humanist and.....

....a round of mouldy sandwiches for VPVP's comment immediately above.

[denizaksulu]

Secondly, I have never advocated and I do not accept that all that is done is forgoten. I have advocated on this forum for an apology to TC's for the actions of some GC's in the 60"s. I have advocated on this same forum for legal action against the GC's involved in the Tochni massacre, I have advocated for equal right of TC's in Cyprus (that means equal no less no more) and I continue to advocate that TC's have played a major part of the development and evolution of the Cypriot culture and as such deserve equal standing in the Cypriot society (no more no less than any other Cypriot).

Papadopoulos was ousted by the citizens and voters of the RoC including some 1000TC’s because I know that some TC's voted in the elections.

You are not the bad guys what I am simply saying is that (a) Talat is not genuine about unification where he will play a role as vice president in the development and evolution of a United states of Cyprus or something like that. He has lacked foresight in working towards perhaps representing all of Cypriot people not just 18% and, (b) He perhaps is not able to make that pledge because he is not making the decisions because Turkey is making the decisions.

I have to admit I loose my cool on ocassion and go for the eye for an eye responses, and I have done it many times, and probably will do it again. However, my position stands as above. I would like to see your community take an active and participative role in the Cypriot Society and benefit from EU resources (whatever they may be), at one time in our history we have got to stop looking at the past and concentrate on the future if we want to make a better Cyprus for our children. Otherwise we are staying back there and there is nothing we can do to change those events. All the blame to be thrown around, back and forth it will not change the massacre of 63 and it will not change the events of 74. They are done they are history, we need to look to the future and there is an opportunity to make it happen.

If I may Humanist, may I add loads of respect for this post. Well said mate/matess.

A round of applause fellow forumers for Humanist and.....

....a round of mouldy sandwiches for VPVP's comment immediately above.

I applaud Humanists post. We need more sincerity in all politicians who seem to have our fate in their hands.

[humanist]

Thank you BIll.... If they don't get this they will never get it right.

[Viewpoint]

Secondly, I have never advocated and I do not accept that all that is done is forgoten. I have advocated on this forum for an apology to TC's for the actions of some GC's in the 60"s. I have advocated on this same forum for legal action against the GC's involved in the Tochni massacre, I have advocated for equal right of TC's in Cyprus (that means equal no less no more) and I continue to advocate that TC's have played a major part of the development and evolution of the Cypriot culture and as such deserve equal standing in the Cypriot society (no more no less than any other Cypriot).

Papadopoulos was ousted by the citizens and voters of the RoC including some 1000TC’s because I know that some TC's voted in the elections.

You are not the bad guys what I am simply saying is that (a) Talat is not genuine about unification where he will play a role as vice president in the development and evolution of a United states of Cyprus or something like that. He has lacked foresight in working towards perhaps representing all of Cypriot people not just 18% and, (b) He perhaps is not able to make that pledge because he is not making the decisions because Turkey is making the decisions.

I have to admit I loose my cool on ocassion and go for the eye for an eye responses, and I have done it many times, and probably will do it again. However, my position stands as above. I would like to see your community take an active and participative role in the Cypriot Society and benefit from EU resources (whatever they may be), at one time in our history we have got to stop looking at the past and concentrate on the future if we want to make a better Cyprus for our children. Otherwise we are staying back there and there is nothing we can do to change those events. All the blame to be thrown around, back and forth it will not change the massacre of 63 and it will not change the events of 74. They are done they are history, we need to look to the future and there is an opportunity to make it happen.

Have you ever considered the fact that there is no solution that both sides can commit to? as you have gradually realized is that the chasm between our 2 communities is to wide and getting wider. There is no magic wand and the only real solution that will work imho is agree division, a clean break where you get the GC state you have always dreamed of and get our state to administer and not fear GC domination. This you to will agree over time is the only real option available as neither side has the desire vision or ability to unite.

[humanist]

We hve the Cypriot State we always dreamed of and Turkey is occupying a large portion of it.

[zan]

Secondly, I have never advocated and I do not accept that all that is done is forgoten. I have advocated on this forum for an apology to TC's for the actions of some GC's in the 60"s. I have advocated on this same forum for legal action against the GC's involved in the Tochni massacre, I have advocated for equal right of TC's in Cyprus (that means equal no less no more) and I continue to advocate that TC's have played a major part of the development and evolution of the Cypriot culture and as such deserve equal standing in the Cypriot society (no more no less than any other Cypriot).

Papadopoulos was ousted by the citizens and voters of the RoC including some 1000TC’s because I know that some TC's voted in the elections.

You are not the bad guys what I am simply saying is that (a) Talat is not genuine about unification where he will play a role as vice president in the development and evolution of a United states of Cyprus or something like that. He has lacked foresight in working towards perhaps representing all of Cypriot people not just 18% and, (b) He perhaps is not able to make that pledge because he is not making the decisions because Turkey is making the decisions.

I have to admit I loose my cool on ocassion and go for the eye for an eye responses, and I have done it many times, and probably will do it again. However, my position stands as above. I would like to see your community take an active and participative role in the Cypriot Society and benefit from EU resources (whatever they may be), at one time in our history we have got to stop looking at the past and concentrate on the future if we want to make a better Cyprus for our children. Otherwise we are staying back there and there is nothing we can do to change those events. All the blame to be thrown around, back and forth it will not change the massacre of 63 and it will not change the events of 74. They are done they are history, we need to look to the future and there is an opportunity to make it happen.

Great speech.......Not a mention of the "RoC" being a fake version of the Cyprus republic that was set up in 1960.....You are fine with keeping what you have taken by murder and then offering it back to us at twice the price but keep going on about what we have....

I should maybe have said..Good half speech......Nothing will change the events of 63 and 74 and I too apologise for our involvement in it and hope some solution can be found but find you guys so offensive that maybe I hope that one will not.

With the help of Greece you took our rights from us under the Zurich agreement. By murder and deception you took it from our democratic hands. You have formed a Greek state in which nothing of TC ethnicity is promoted or even acknowledged and you want us to give into this because we are not fit to hold our rightful place in Government....Do you actually realise what you have done before you offer an apology? Do you realise that you have taken our rights away which allowed us our place in GOVERNMENT......How dare you be so arrogant. What you are proud of as the "Cyprus we always wanted" is what you always wanted and not the Cyprus we signed up for. You take it by force with the aid of a foreign country and do not offer to give it back and if that is the attitude then we have 37% of the island that we took and we shall hold onto that.

You keep telling us that it is Talat that does not want solution but then the only solution you offer is on the rape of our country and our rights as TURKISH CYPRIOTS....You need to take a long good look at yourselves and ask if you would accept such a forced deal and then how some respect for your fellow Cypriots with the right to self determination given to us by the only legal constitution in existence. We accept your apology and offer ours but we do not accept your "RoC" because it is not our "RoC" and never will be. You want to keep what you took by the gun then expect to pay the price. We are adult enough to participate in government and resent your idea that we are not.