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Duplication

[Viewpoint]

assuming we agree gfor partition and the only partition we will agree too is 18:82. And because cypriots is not a bigot, fascist and discriminatory like the what might be called trnc. a how will they survive econmoically evn they join the EU but still have a very small soveregnthy,

I very much doubt that a separate TC state would inherit EU membership but would have to apply through the standard channels if desired.

I also doubt they would be able to survive economically on their own unless they are first put in the care and guidance of a special international program for a period of time to be taught how to run and sustain it until their economy is healthy, but it would take an enormous effort and involve every aspect of their life. The elimination of corruption would be of outmost importance as would a major improvement in education and training, and measures would need to be taken to stimulate private enterprise, etc, etc.

Btw, handouts are definitely NOT the solution for them, but the right tools and training to become self-sufficient.

secondly what will happen to those TC's currently living in Cyprus. Will they become one citizens for example Cypriot without any distinction or will they be expelled to the north and have similar rights of all those other turks that would be living in the trnc as it will be known and recognised internatiionally

The TCs which have been living in the RoC have always had the right to move to wherever they please anyway but I very much doubt they’d be foolish enough to opt for such a volatile state.

or finally will they become a state of Turkey or a canton or whatever Turkey has in territory identification>

Cyprus with her then 500,000 people struggled enormously to stand on her own two feet in the last century so imagine what an even smaller and weaker TC state would have to go through before it matures and stabilizes. Although the UN would most likely include clauses in such an agreement that would legally safeguard a TC state from Turkish annexation, enforcing such an agreement would be a serious problem. The risk of a split between TCs and ENOSIS (to Turkey) supporters would be a constant threat to its existence, and perhaps its downfall…

Agree to partition and just watch what we can do, why are you so afraid and continue to make excuses where you are only kidding yourselves???

[Nikitas]

"A China man may have designed it for all it means nothing to TCs, its a flag that represent a GC state by default, a foreign land just like any other"

On the other hand there were a lOT of RoC flags held in protests by TCs not so long ago. Obvioiusly many TCs do not share your views on this.

And on this point, as in some others VP, you sond so much like some Greek nationalist mainlanders, it is uncanny, sometimes I have the feeling you are a Chryssi Avgi dude.

[Get Real!]

assuming we agree gfor partition and the only partition we will agree too is 18:82. And because cypriots is not a bigot, fascist and discriminatory like the what might be called trnc. a how will they survive econmoically evn they join the EU but still have a very small soveregnthy,

I very much doubt that a separate TC state would inherit EU membership but would have to apply through the standard channels if desired.

I also doubt they would be able to survive economically on their own unless they are first put in the care and guidance of a special international program for a period of time to be taught how to run and sustain it until their economy is healthy, but it would take an enormous effort and involve every aspect of their life. The elimination of corruption would be of outmost importance as would a major improvement in education and training, and measures would need to be taken to stimulate private enterprise, etc, etc.

Btw, handouts are definitely NOT the solution for them, but the right tools and training to become self-sufficient.

secondly what will happen to those TC's currently living in Cyprus. Will they become one citizens for example Cypriot without any distinction or will they be expelled to the north and have similar rights of all those other turks that would be living in the trnc as it will be known and recognised internatiionally

The TCs which have been living in the RoC have always had the right to move to wherever they please anyway but I very much doubt they’d be foolish enough to opt for such a volatile state.

or finally will they become a state of Turkey or a canton or whatever Turkey has in territory identification>

Cyprus with her then 500,000 people struggled enormously to stand on her own two feet in the last century so imagine what an even smaller and weaker TC state would have to go through before it matures and stabilizes. Although the UN would most likely include clauses in such an agreement that would legally safeguard a TC state from Turkish annexation, enforcing such an agreement would be a serious problem. The risk of a split between TCs and ENOSIS (to Turkey) supporters would be a constant threat to its existence, and perhaps its downfall…

Agree to partition and just watch what we can do, why are you so afraid and continue to make excuses where you are only kidding yourselves???

I commented based on Humanists’ assumptions… a hypothetical if you like... and looking at it a second time I still feel that I was very realistic in my predictions.

[Medman]

Lets have a plate of houmous on it. Oh let me guess we're going to have a separate debate where houmous originated from. L.O.L.

[Oracle]

Lets have a plate of houmous on it. Oh let me guess we're going to have a separate debate where houmous originated from. L.O.L.

Most likely not Mongolia ...

[zan]

assuming we agree gfor partition and the only partition we will agree too is 18:82. And because cypriots is not a bigot, fascist and discriminatory like the what might be called trnc. a how will they survive econmoically evn they join the EU but still have a very small soveregnthy,

I very much doubt that a separate TC state would inherit EU membership but would have to apply through the standard channels if desired.

I also doubt they would be able to survive economically on their own unless they are first put in the care and guidance of a special international program for a period of time to be taught how to run and sustain it until their economy is healthy, but it would take an enormous effort and involve every aspect of their life. The elimination of corruption would be of outmost importance as would a major improvement in education and training, and measures would need to be taken to stimulate private enterprise, etc, etc.

Btw, handouts are definitely NOT the solution for them, but the right tools and training to become self-sufficient.

secondly what will happen to those TC's currently living in Cyprus. Will they become one citizens for example Cypriot without any distinction or will they be expelled to the north and have similar rights of all those other turks that would be living in the trnc as it will be known and recognised internatiionally

The TCs which have been living in the RoC have always had the right to move to wherever they please anyway but I very much doubt they’d be foolish enough to opt for such a volatile state.

or finally will they become a state of Turkey or a canton or whatever Turkey has in territory identification>

Cyprus with her then 500,000 people struggled enormously to stand on her own two feet in the last century so imagine what an even smaller and weaker TC state would have to go through before it matures and stabilizes. Although the UN would most likely include clauses in such an agreement that would legally safeguard a TC state from Turkish annexation, enforcing such an agreement would be a serious problem. The risk of a split between TCs and ENOSIS (to Turkey) supporters would be a constant threat to its existence, and perhaps its downfall…

Agree to partition and just watch what we can do, why are you so afraid and continue to make excuses where you are only kidding yourselves???

I commented based on Humanists’ assumptions… a hypothetical if you like... and looking at it a second time I still feel that I was very realistic in my predictions.

How is that accurate if all this time you have been telling us that the "RoC" is such a successful state and contributes a heel of a lot to the EU

[utu]

"A China man may have designed it for all it means nothing to TCs, its a flag that represent a GC state by default, a foreign land just like any other"

On the other hand there were a lOT of RoC flags held in protests by TCs not so long ago. Obvioiusly many TCs do not share your views on this.

And on this point, as in some others VP, you sond so much like some Greek nationalist mainlanders, it is uncanny, sometimes I have the feeling you are a Chryssi Avgi dude.

The flag waved in the north during the Annan Plan referendum was not the RoCy flag (as I do believe that flag is illegal there under north administration law) but a variant of the EU flag with the map of Cyprus in the center. If any new flag is designed, perhaps it should be a variant of that.

[Viewpoint]

The flag of a country represents its people and the white flag with egg yok on it doesnt represent TCs, its symbol of hard times discrimination and persecution, a time no sane TC would wants to return to. So do what the you want with it add a few chips if you wish doesnt mean anything to us.

[utu]

The flag of a country represents its people and the white flag with egg yok on it doesnt represent TCs, its symbol of hard times discrimination and persecution, a time no sane TC would wants to return to. So do what the you want with it add a few chips if you wish doesnt mean anything to us.

That's rather bitter, Viewpoint... especially since the RoCy flag was designed by a Turkish Cypriot and designed deliberately to be neutral. Still, I can see your point. A design that has been 'hijacked' and misused can end up being more trouble than it is worth, like the Confederate flag in the United States. Now whether the RoCy flag has been miused is open to intepretation, but if reconciliation is made, perhaps a new flag to reflect a new common will should be considered.