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[Piratis]

We were being systmatically cleansed by your religious leader.

As much as we were systematically cleansed by you, the ones who started that conflict in the first place. The numbers are clear. So why do you blame Makarios for the conflict and not your TMT who started it? Or did you want us to just sit their and let you attack us, kill us and impose your will on us with your collaboration with the British and not to fight back for our rights?

And now we are talking just for that decade. Not counting the 10s of thousands of Cypriots that you killed before AND after that decade.

It is really ridiculous from your part to present yourselves as the innocent victims when it is you who invaded our island in the first place and then oppressed us for centuries, and you who started both the inter communal conflict of 1958-1968 and the war of 1974.

First the Megali idea and then ENOSIS and this clown says we started it Try saying it another tousand times Piratis and even you might believe it because nobody else dose

It is clear who started it mate.

Our desire for freedom like all other Greek territories and islands was our right. It is you who attacked and invaded our island in order to deprive us from our freedom.

According to you our desire for freedom from your brutal rule was "what started it"?? Tell me what you conclude from the paragraph below Zan:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

1) That the Cypriot people, along with the rest of Greeks, wanted to free themselves of the foreign Ottoman rule and create a free Greek state as it was their right.

or

2) That the "evil" Cypriots (and Greeks in general?) had no right for freedom and therefore the Turks had the right to again attack them, kill them, and continue to impose their rule over Cyprus by force.

OH! MY..what a revelation...Is that how empires work..


Now back to reality.....You were not fighting for independence but for ENOSIS...Your leaders and your church...That is why the trouble started and no other reason.

We were fighting for freedom Zan. Who ever told you that every island and village should be separate and independent? If it was like that the world would have millions of countries. Cyprus was fighting for its freedom since 1821 along with the rest Greek islands and territories in order to create a free Greek state. Who gave you the right to kill Cypriots and deny them their freedom and impose your rule over Cyprus?

You come here to tell me that it was fine for Cyprus to be part of the Ottoman empire (and later the British empire) against the will of the Cypriot people, but it was not fine for Cyprus to be free in a Greek state along with the rest Greek islands which is what the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people wanted????? And that the desire of the Cypriot people for freedom was a "crime" that the Turks had the right to kill us in order to punish us?? Are you serious???

You came with the Byzantium Empire so what.....

You where fighting for ENOSIS and nothing else..The first British that landed was greeted with cries and pleas for ENOSIS...So you telling us another fictional story dose you no favours......Mind you, you lost credibility long ago...Keep it going mate...You cannot sink any lower

You are the one who is sinking Zan.

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

What were the Turks doing in 1400BC? The Byzantine empire was not created until almost 2000 years later.

We had every right for freedom like the rest Greek island and territories Zan. We have this right even if you Turks never recognized our right to be free and you instead killed us by the 10s of thousands in order to keep your rule over our island by force.

[zan]

We were being systmatically cleansed by your religious leader.

As much as we were systematically cleansed by you, the ones who started that conflict in the first place. The numbers are clear. So why do you blame Makarios for the conflict and not your TMT who started it? Or did you want us to just sit their and let you attack us, kill us and impose your will on us with your collaboration with the British and not to fight back for our rights?

And now we are talking just for that decade. Not counting the 10s of thousands of Cypriots that you killed before AND after that decade.

It is really ridiculous from your part to present yourselves as the innocent victims when it is you who invaded our island in the first place and then oppressed us for centuries, and you who started both the inter communal conflict of 1958-1968 and the war of 1974.

First the Megali idea and then ENOSIS and this clown says we started it Try saying it another tousand times Piratis and even you might believe it because nobody else dose

It is clear who started it mate.

Our desire for freedom like all other Greek territories and islands was our right. It is you who attacked and invaded our island in order to deprive us from our freedom.

According to you our desire for freedom from your brutal rule was "what started it"?? Tell me what you conclude from the paragraph below Zan:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

1) That the Cypriot people, along with the rest of Greeks, wanted to free themselves of the foreign Ottoman rule and create a free Greek state as it was their right.

or

2) That the "evil" Cypriots (and Greeks in general?) had no right for freedom and therefore the Turks had the right to again attack them, kill them, and continue to impose their rule over Cyprus by force.

OH! MY..what a revelation...Is that how empires work..


Now back to reality.....You were not fighting for independence but for ENOSIS...Your leaders and your church...That is why the trouble started and no other reason.

We were fighting for freedom Zan. Who ever told you that every island and village should be separate and independent? If it was like that the world would have millions of countries. Cyprus was fighting for its freedom since 1821 along with the rest Greek islands and territories in order to create a free Greek state. Who gave you the right to kill Cypriots and deny them their freedom and impose your rule over Cyprus?

You come here to tell me that it was fine for Cyprus to be part of the Ottoman empire (and later the British empire) against the will of the Cypriot people, but it was not fine for Cyprus to be free in a Greek state along with the rest Greek islands which is what the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people wanted????? And that the desire of the Cypriot people for freedom was a "crime" that the Turks had the right to kill us in order to punish us?? Are you serious???

You came with the Byzantium Empire so what.....

You where fighting for ENOSIS and nothing else..The first British that landed was greeted with cries and pleas for ENOSIS...So you telling us another fictional story dose you no favours......Mind you, you lost credibility long ago...Keep it going mate...You cannot sink any lower

You are the one who is sinking Zan.

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

What were the Turks doing in 1400BC? The Byzantine empire was not created until almost 2000 years later.

We had every right for freedom like the rest Greek island and territories Zan. We have this right even if you Turks never recognized our right to be free and you instead killed us by the 10s of thousands in order to keep your rule over our island by force.

Really?? So you are not going to count the Byzants as owning Cyprus ever then...Well I'll be..So when was the island Greek then...

[Viewpoint]

We were being systmatically cleansed by your religious leader.

As much as we were systematically cleansed by you, the ones who started that conflict in the first place. The numbers are clear. So why do you blame Makarios for the conflict and not your TMT who started it? Or did you want us to just sit their and let you attack us, kill us and impose your will on us with your collaboration with the British and not to fight back for our rights?

And now we are talking just for that decade. Not counting the 10s of thousands of Cypriots that you killed before AND after that decade.

It is really ridiculous from your part to present yourselves as the innocent victims when it is you who invaded our island in the first place and then oppressed us for centuries, and you who started both the inter communal conflict of 1958-1968 and the war of 1974.

Were we wrong in think that the agreement reached in 1960 was the end of the past problems and the start of building a united Cyprus, the ink didnt dry on your signature, it took you only 3 years to weave your shit which we had to fight against and ensure our survival against people with no integrity reneging on their signature which obviously means nothing and should be taken into account for the future.

Cyprus was always united my friend. It is you who were trying to divide it. The inter-communal conflict started in 1958 when you attacked us. We showed the goodwill to try to end that conflict but it didn't work out because of your insistence to force your will undemocratically and by force on the Cypriot people. What you should keep in mind for the future is that agreements and peace can not be reached by attacking us and blackmailing us. Like now that you keep our land as hostage and you are trying to blackmail us again to accept your terms.

So you are clearly saying that you wer enot commited to the 1960 agreements which for us was the end of past conflicts and the start of a new opportunity to live together and share Cyprus, you have no intentions of seeing what you signed through and before the ink had time to dry you continued on your merry way to gift Cyprus to Greece with or without the TC community whım you know were admantly against this vile life threatening development.

[zan]

Piratis could be right you know...Look what I found:::

*ca. 8500 BC: Possible first human settlement by epipalaeolithic hunters and gatherers at Aetokremnos.

http://www.cyprus-ideal-villas.com/history-of-cyprus.html


Even when the first people came to Cyprus the place names were in Greek...Bloody hell...Boku yedik!!!

[Nikitas]

Zan missing the point again, he said:

"So you can accept three years of residence as a cut off point then can you???? Interesting "

There are THREE conditions there- 1-she is married to a Cypriot national long enough to avoid any hint of a marriage of convenience, 2-she resides LEGALLY in Cyprus 3- Te residence runs for a minimum of three years.

And no, I did not accept the conditions. We did not apply for my wife to become a Cypriot national. And she is not Greek either. We both reside in Greece with residence permits.

[Piratis]

We were being systmatically cleansed by your religious leader.

As much as we were systematically cleansed by you, the ones who started that conflict in the first place. The numbers are clear. So why do you blame Makarios for the conflict and not your TMT who started it? Or did you want us to just sit their and let you attack us, kill us and impose your will on us with your collaboration with the British and not to fight back for our rights?

And now we are talking just for that decade. Not counting the 10s of thousands of Cypriots that you killed before AND after that decade.

It is really ridiculous from your part to present yourselves as the innocent victims when it is you who invaded our island in the first place and then oppressed us for centuries, and you who started both the inter communal conflict of 1958-1968 and the war of 1974.

Were we wrong in think that the agreement reached in 1960 was the end of the past problems and the start of building a united Cyprus, the ink didnt dry on your signature, it took you only 3 years to weave your shit which we had to fight against and ensure our survival against people with no integrity reneging on their signature which obviously means nothing and should be taken into account for the future.

Cyprus was always united my friend. It is you who were trying to divide it. The inter-communal conflict started in 1958 when you attacked us. We showed the goodwill to try to end that conflict but it didn't work out because of your insistence to force your will undemocratically and by force on the Cypriot people. What you should keep in mind for the future is that agreements and peace can not be reached by attacking us and blackmailing us. Like now that you keep our land as hostage and you are trying to blackmail us again to accept your terms.

So you are clearly saying that you wer enot commited to the 1960 agreements which for us was the end of past conflicts and the start of a new opportunity to live together and share Cyprus, you have no intentions of seeing what you signed through and before the ink had time to dry you continued on your merry way to gift Cyprus to Greece with or without the TC community whım you know were admantly against this vile life threatening development.

Viewpoint, there was nothing life threatening for TCs. If you thought it was life threatening then you should have thought of it before you invaded Cyprus, an island which has an overwhelming Greek majority for 1000s of years. What did you expect? That Cyprus and all other Greek islands and territories should be always denied their freedom just because you didn't approve our freedom?

And no, peace or anything other good thing can not come out by attacking us and blackmailing us and forcing us to accept your terms in some unfair, and undemocratic "agreement". What we want is not to be forced or blackmailed to sign what suits some foreigners and some small ethnic minority, but what is good for Cyprus and its people as a whole: Human rights, democracy, freedom and self-determination.

Therefore if you think that today you can keep our land as hostage in order to again blackmail us to accept your terms, then you should be 100% certain that your blackmail will fail again.

[humanist]

Zan excactly what point are you trying to make on this forum?? I need to understand if it is your personal pain. Your arguments for partition? or that Greek speaking Cypriots are bad people? And if you doi want to shout out that Greek speaking Cypriots are bad people then what do you want to happen?

I may understand you better if you could respond to these questions.

Thanks

[Viewpoint]

We were being systmatically cleansed by your religious leader.

As much as we were systematically cleansed by you, the ones who started that conflict in the first place. The numbers are clear. So why do you blame Makarios for the conflict and not your TMT who started it? Or did you want us to just sit their and let you attack us, kill us and impose your will on us with your collaboration with the British and not to fight back for our rights?

And now we are talking just for that decade. Not counting the 10s of thousands of Cypriots that you killed before AND after that decade.

It is really ridiculous from your part to present yourselves as the innocent victims when it is you who invaded our island in the first place and then oppressed us for centuries, and you who started both the inter communal conflict of 1958-1968 and the war of 1974.

Were we wrong in think that the agreement reached in 1960 was the end of the past problems and the start of building a united Cyprus, the ink didnt dry on your signature, it took you only 3 years to weave your shit which we had to fight against and ensure our survival against people with no integrity reneging on their signature which obviously means nothing and should be taken into account for the future.

Cyprus was always united my friend. It is you who were trying to divide it. The inter-communal conflict started in 1958 when you attacked us. We showed the goodwill to try to end that conflict but it didn't work out because of your insistence to force your will undemocratically and by force on the Cypriot people. What you should keep in mind for the future is that agreements and peace can not be reached by attacking us and blackmailing us. Like now that you keep our land as hostage and you are trying to blackmail us again to accept your terms.

So you are clearly saying that you wer enot commited to the 1960 agreements which for us was the end of past conflicts and the start of a new opportunity to live together and share Cyprus, you have no intentions of seeing what you signed through and before the ink had time to dry you continued on your merry way to gift Cyprus to Greece with or without the TC community whım you know were admantly against this vile life threatening development.

Viewpoint, there was nothing life threatening for TCs. If you thought it was life threatening then you should have thought of it before you invaded Cyprus, an island which has an overwhelming Greek majority for 1000s of years. What did you expect? That Cyprus and all other Greek islands and territories should be always denied their freedom just because you didn't approve our freedom?

And no, peace or anything other good thing can not come out by attacking us and blackmailing us and forcing us to accept your terms in some unfair, and undemocratic "agreement". What we want is not to be forced or blackmailed to sign what suits some foreigners and some small ethnic minority, but what is good for Cyprus and its people as a whole: Human rights, democracy, freedom and self-determination.

Therefore if you think that today you can keep our land as hostage in order to again blackmail us to accept your terms, then you should be 100% certain that your blackmail will fail again.

So true to form you stamp your feel like a spoilt GC and say we had no intention of making the agreement we signed work because we did not get what we wanted as we see fit.

Whats to say you will adhere to any future agreements, we should ask for safeguards that make you stick to a solution and know exactly the consequencies if you just feel that all is not and start to stamp your feet yet again.

And you take on our fear is that we dont know what we were talking about and we shoudl of thought of that 400 years ago, well Piratis wasnt around then and the ones that I feel threatened obly 34 years ago are still around today.