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Postby zan » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:51 am

utu wrote:
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utu wrote:Those settlers do need to be repatriated back to Turkey in a final settlement - at least those with no Cypriot family ties. The Ankara government brought them over illegally, so they have the moral resonsibility to repatriate and compensate them.


Do you think that the "RoC" should then give all voting rights back to the displaced TCs all over the world utu.......From the 1963 period on???? And should we also review all settlers from their side as well from the same period on..... :?:


Zan,

The Turkish settlers were brought in purely as a political tactic. It was also an illegal move, as defined by the United Nations. Those settlers without Cypriot roots (such as family) really have no legal right to be there. Compensated repatriation needs to be done. As for the Turkish Cypriot diaspora, they should be encouraged to Cyprus.
As far as Greek 'settlers' go, well... since the RoCy is the recognized government in Cyprus, if they bring 'em in, then it is - in the eyes of the law - lawful immigration. It sounds sad and unfair, but since the internation rejection of the 1983 UDI of the north, your side is technically speaking an outlaw juristiction.


So forcing me and my family out of Cyprus to change the demography of Cyprus was legal? We should also forget about the moral side of the Cyprob in these talks also????..The Cyprob has been in and out of courts for 40 years plus....and nothing.......
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Postby anna-sh » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:18 am

Bill, thx for putting the link up! i`m not very good at this comp stuff!! :wink:
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Postby miltiades » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:34 am

utu wrote:
zan wrote:
utu wrote:Those settlers do need to be repatriated back to Turkey in a final settlement - at least those with no Cypriot family ties. The Ankara government brought them over illegally, so they have the moral resonsibility to repatriate and compensate them.


Do you think that the "RoC" should then give all voting rights back to the displaced TCs all over the world utu.......From the 1963 period on???? And should we also review all settlers from their side as well from the same period on..... :?:


Zan,

The Turkish settlers were brought in purely as a political tactic. It was also an illegal move, as defined by the United Nations. Those settlers without Cypriot roots (such as family) really have no legal right to be there. Compensated repatriation needs to be done. As for the Turkish Cypriot diaspora, they should be encouraged to Cyprus.
As far as Greek 'settlers' go, well... since the RoCy is the recognized government in Cyprus, if they bring 'em in, then it is - in the eyes of the law - lawful immigration. It sounds sad and unfair, but since the internation rejection of the 1983 UDI of the north, your side is technically speaking an outlaw juristiction.

A wise and a sensible man that relies on International law for his interpretation of evens contrary to Zan who relies on Propaganda sites and instructions from the Grey Wolves HQ .The very fact that in the eyes of International law there is but one government in Cyprus , the RoC whose sovereignty as determined by International legalities extends all over Cyprus , in view of the fact that a part of Cyprus is under Turkish occupation total sovereignty is extended only through the free part of Cyprus.Zan and the rest of the divisionists must wake up and face realities , such realities are staring them in the face . The "trnc" , a creation of the occupying forces has neither legality nor recognition even by one single nation on earth . It has no currency , no passports , can not take a seat at the UN or at any other International forum , it produces absolutely nothing that it can legally export either to Europe or the rest of the world and yet the Grey Wolf mentality is demanding that the T/Cs refuse to recognise their own country , the RoC .
On this forum alone we have heard from more 7 T/Cs that they consider the entire island of Cyprus to be their nation , unlike VP who considers the free part of Cyprus as a foreign country . It is diabolical nonsense and I'm pleased that we have amongst us Cypriots from both sides who are prepared to stand up and be counted , not submit to propaganda.
I have challenged , and all on this forum know it , the extremists from either side .
I consider it a duty to our future generations of Cypriots to stand up for them and consider their future which must be fear free , democratic and Pancyprian rather than Greek or Turkish.
Let us be like the Maltese , the Italians , the French , and the people of every other nation it seems apart from Cyprus , that we are the people of this island , the Cypriots.
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Postby Nikitas » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:58 am

Who are the settlers brought in by the RoC?

Zan is deliberately confusing the issue. There is one hell of a difference between bringing in people and mass naturalising them and allowing in workers on temporary visas. TRNC indulges in mass naturalisation every few months.

The RoC is VERY tight with its citizenship. My wife of 30 years cannot be naturalised and get a RoC passport unless we move to Cyprus, she applies and gets a residence permit and we live there continuously for 3 years.

On this point Zan is full of shit.
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Postby miltiades » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:20 am

Nikitas wrote:Who are the settlers brought in by the RoC?

Zan is deliberately confusing the issue. There is one hell of a difference between bringing in people and mass naturalising them and allowing in workers on temporary visas. TRNC indulges in mass naturalisation every few months.

The RoC is VERY tight with its citizenship. My wife of 30 years cannot be naturalised and get a RoC passport unless we move to Cyprus, she applies and gets a residence permit and we live there continuously for 3 years.

On this point Zan is full of shit.

Zan is full of shit ON ANY ISSUE .
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Postby humanist » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:50 am

no one forced Zan and his family out of cyprus they chose to leave
utu has made a very claer and corrext point.
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Postby zan » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:00 am

miltiades wrote:
utu wrote:
zan wrote:
utu wrote:Those settlers do need to be repatriated back to Turkey in a final settlement - at least those with no Cypriot family ties. The Ankara government brought them over illegally, so they have the moral resonsibility to repatriate and compensate them.


Do you think that the "RoC" should then give all voting rights back to the displaced TCs all over the world utu.......From the 1963 period on???? And should we also review all settlers from their side as well from the same period on..... :?:


Zan,

The Turkish settlers were brought in purely as a political tactic. It was also an illegal move, as defined by the United Nations. Those settlers without Cypriot roots (such as family) really have no legal right to be there. Compensated repatriation needs to be done. As for the Turkish Cypriot diaspora, they should be encouraged to Cyprus.
As far as Greek 'settlers' go, well... since the RoCy is the recognized government in Cyprus, if they bring 'em in, then it is - in the eyes of the law - lawful immigration. It sounds sad and unfair, but since the internation rejection of the 1983 UDI of the north, your side is technically speaking an outlaw juristiction.

A wise and a sensible man that relies on International law for his interpretation of evens contrary to Zan who relies on Propaganda sites and instructions from the Grey Wolves HQ .The very fact that in the eyes of International law there is but one government in Cyprus , the RoC whose sovereignty as determined by International legalities extends all over Cyprus , in view of the fact that a part of Cyprus is under Turkish occupation total sovereignty is extended only through the free part of Cyprus.Zan and the rest of the divisionists must wake up and face realities , such realities are staring them in the face . The "trnc" , a creation of the occupying forces has neither legality nor recognition even by one single nation on earth . It has no currency , no passports , can not take a seat at the UN or at any other International forum , it produces absolutely nothing that it can legally export either to Europe or the rest of the world and yet the Grey Wolf mentality is demanding that the T/Cs refuse to recognise their own country , the RoC .
On this forum alone we have heard from more 7 T/Cs that they consider the entire island of Cyprus to be their nation , unlike VP who considers the free part of Cyprus as a foreign country . It is diabolical nonsense and I'm pleased that we have amongst us Cypriots from both sides who are prepared to stand up and be counted , not submit to propaganda.
I have challenged , and all on this forum know it , the extremists from either side .
I consider it a duty to our future generations of Cypriots to stand up for them and consider their future which must be fear free , democratic and Pancyprian rather than Greek or Turkish.
Let us be like the Maltese , the Italians , the French , and the people of every other nation it seems apart from Cyprus , that we are the people of this island , the Cypriots.



You really are a blinkered old fool mate......None will chose to live in the "RoC" that you have created for Greeks.....NONE!!!!!! Wake up and ask them if you dare....Apart from that doubtful TC Kikapu that is :roll: :roll:
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Postby zan » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:02 am

Nikitas wrote:Who are the settlers brought in by the RoC?

Zan is deliberately confusing the issue. There is one hell of a difference between bringing in people and mass naturalising them and allowing in workers on temporary visas. TRNC indulges in mass naturalisation every few months.

The RoC is VERY tight with its citizenship. My wife of 30 years cannot be naturalised and get a RoC passport unless we move to Cyprus, she applies and gets a residence permit and we live there continuously for 3 years.

On this point Zan is full of shit.


So you can accept three years of residence as a cut off point then can you???? Interesting 8) 8) 8)
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Postby zan » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:05 am

humanist wrote:no one forced Zan and his family out of cyprus they chose to leave
utu has made a very claer and corrext point.


My father could not feed six children you piece of shit, because of the siege that Makarios had on us....You keep talking crap mate and you can kiss goodbye to 37% of Cyprus...WE WILL NOT LISTEN TO ANY MORE OF YOUR PROPAGANDA SHIT.......A deliberate attempt to make Cypriots leave their homes and country was exercised by Greeks......We are back to claim our country and our rights...You will not win on this issue...Be sure of that!!!!
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:24 am

zan wrote:My father could not feed six children you piece of shit, because of the siege that Makarios had on us....


Is this what the CyProb wraps up to? A "siege by Makarios"?

When a couple of thousand of your people saw fit to join the British and support colonialism, was that a "siege by Makarios"?

When 200-300 of your people saw fit to form TMT and smuggled weapons in from Turkey via Kokkina to rebel even further, and killed peaceful TCs for not rebelling against the GCs, was that a "siege by Makarios"?

When your people planted a bomb on TC property to vindicate GCs and exacerbated the conflict, was that a "siege by Makarios"?

When you waste your time digesting ATCA junk is that a "siege by Makarios"?

It's more like a siege of your feeble mind...
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