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Postby zan » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:10 am

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My racism is in kind and always has been...I do not see you hunting down others for it tough because you agree with most of it.....You also agree with stealing my place in government so stop crying about your bit of bloody land...... You want me to play fair then think about your actions...


Your just stuck on racism as an answer to this mess, all the way from London. Just because you probably worked for a Turk all your life doesn't mean thats the way of the world. Your a one-sided bigot who cant stop corroding this forum with emptiness because Turkish coups always went your way. Well guess what, this time its not going to go the way that "YOU" want it to. It's going to go down the way thats already happening. To get rid of all your corrupt leaders(which is practically all of them) and then try to live with the rest of the civilized world. Your brain is so corrupted, hatred is automatic against anything Turkish.



You assume too much and say very little.....Not surprising really....Stick with it my friend.....Your awaking is nigh!!!!
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Postby zan » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:14 am

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zan wrote:EOKA (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston)
EOKA [Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston - National Organization of Cypriot Fighters] started a guerrilla campaign against British colonial rule aimed at self-determination and union with Greece (Enosis)on 01 April 1955. The campaign, which started when the first EOKA bombs exploded at 00.30 hours on 1st of April 1955, lasted until 1959 and caused the death of more Greek Cypriot civilians than the total of British killed. It created civil strife and mistrust between the two Cypriot communities. Tension increased in early 1957, when EOKA attacked Turkish police and auxiliaries. EOKA received direct support from Greece in money, arms, organization and propaganda. Greek-speaking Cypriots were awed by EOKA terrorists and subject to bombardment by Athens radio. Under a 1959 compromise settlement known as Zurich-London agreements, Cyprus became an independent Republic in 1960. Since then, April 1 is a national holiday. It was celebrated in memorial services in Churches and gatherings in cities and villages in the free part of Cyprus.

EOKA-B emerged twice, in 1963 and 1974, in collaboration and cooperation with Greece, to attack the Turkish Cypriots, one of the two co-founding partners of the Republic of Cyprus, with the aim of uniting the Island with Greece.

Between 1969 and 1971, several groups embarked on a renewed terrorist campaign for enosis. Grivas returned clandestinely to Cyprus sometime in the late summer or early fall of 1971 and set up a new guerilla organization, the national Organizaiton of Cypriot Fighters (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agonistm B--EOKA B). Most members of the terrorist movement held regular jobs in the Greek Cypriot community; half were police officials and members of the National Guard.

There was also considerable evidence of support of EOKA B activities by the Greek junta, whose hostility to Makarios became increasingly apparent during the early 1970s. The junta was believed to be involved in several attempts on the life of President Makarios. In March 1970, Makarios narrowly escaped death when his helicopter was shot down. Makarios walked away from the crash, but his pilot was killed. Former minister of the interior Polykarpos Georkajis, in contact with local right-wing groups and the junta in Athens, was thought to be implicated, and was assassinated shortly afterward. A paramilitary presidential guard loyal to Makarios, called the Tactical Police Reserve, was organized in 1972. Consisting of fewer than 1,000 men, the Tactical Police Reserve succeeded in arresting large numbers of EOKA B guerrillas. In a further attempt to bring subversive forces under control, Makarios dismissed many National Guard and police officers suspected of EOKA B activity.

With the death of Grivas from a heart attack in January 1974, EOKA B came more directly under the control of the military junta in Athens, which, after a change of leadership, was even more hostile to Makarios. The archbishop, however, saw the Greekofficered National Guard as a more serious threat to his government than EOKA B. In a letter to the Greek president in early July, he accused the junta of attempting to subvert the government of Cyprus through the Greek officers of the National Guard, who in turn supported the terrorist activities of EOKA B. Makarion demanded immediate removal of the 650 Greek officers staffing the National Guard and their replacement by 100 instructors who would help reorganize the Greek Cypriot force.

The reply to the Makarios challenge came on 15 July 1974 in the form of a coup d'état led by Greek officers in the National Guard, under orders from Athens. The fierce fighting that broke out resulted in casualties estimated at over 500, but the lightly armed Tactical Police Reserve and irregular pro-Makarios units were no match for the heavily armed National Guardsmen and the EOKA B irregulars. Narrowly escaping capture when the presidential palace was bombarded, Makarios was flown to London from the Sovereyn Base Area at Akrotiri. Former EOKA gunman and convicted murderer Nicos Sampson, notorious for his brutality in the 1950s and 1960s, was proclaimed president. As Makarios had foreseen, but the Greek military leaders did not, Turkey reacted forcibly to the coup by landing a large number of troops on the northern coast of Cyprus. As a result, both the insurrectionary government in Cyprus and the military dictatorship in Greece fell from power.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... a/eoka.htm

Here is another excerpt from the same link that Zan provided:
The 1960 Treaty of Guarantee was signed by Great Britain, Greece, Turkey, Greek Cypriots, and the Turkish Cypriots. Article 1 states that the Treaty's purpose is to "ensure the recognition and maintenance of the independence, territorial integrity, and security of Cyprus by preventing direct or indirect partition or annexation by the guarantor states. ... It (the Republic of Cyprus) undertakes not to participate, in whole or in part, in any political union with any State whatsoever. It accordingly declares prohibited any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with any other State or partition of the Island." Under Article IV of the Treaty, Great Britain, Greece, and Turkey all had the right to intervene on the island should the sovereignty of the island was threatened. "
What the hell is Turkey still up to some 34 years after " exercising her right of intervention !!!!!
Read all about it in tomorrows issue of AFRICA !!


Keeping you from taking the whole island and not giving a shit about us TCs thats what.......And AFRICA......YOu have pinned all your hopes on AFRICA........Please have some copies in your shop for your TC friends to read so that they can see who you really are.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

All my Turkish Cypriot friends know me as a true Cypriot that is more than ready to tell Turkey and those who consider Turkey as their motherland to piss off and go join their motherland .
My G/C friends also know me as a true Cypriot that is more than ready to tell Greece and those that consider Greece as their motherland to piss off and go join their motherland.
The two malignant cancers that STOLE MY Island not yours Zanie , my island , the island of Cyprus that belongs to ME , the one who embraces the island as my motherland , the one who embraces all Cypriots as my people the one whose signature is not containing the shit that yours does.
Time to go and join your new modern world foreigner . Cyprus belongs to ALL Cypriots . This is why my T/C friends respect me because Im a genuine CYPRIOT , to hell with foreign bloody motherlands , I have my own.


Go march with your Greek flag and your Greek national anthem but wash before you go to meet my TC brothers...At least only your breath will stink then......You are a hypocrite mate and I am not in the mood to massage your ego and your false Cypriotness.....When you are ready to give me my rights under the Zurich agreement in full then I will hug you as a fellow Cypriot...Until then you are just another supporter of the GReek coup that took my rights away from me.... :evil:
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:21 am

zan wrote:
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T_C wrote:Yeah OK Piratis. :lol:

An 80% majority import 20.000 soldiers from Greece to attack an 18% minority and you still act like we were the ones in the wrong. :lol:

Thats pathetic!

No ones trying to find excuses to commit more crimes against you.

The thread is about the pot calling the kettle black, and no matter how many excuses YOU try to find, NOTHING can deny what barbarians you can be yourselves.


What you are talking about never happened mate.

You are the ones who attacked us as I have shown clearly in my earlier post. In the war you started against us you have killed way more Greek Cypriots than the amount of casualties that you had.

Are you going to blame us because in the war you started against us you also had some casualties?

And when i refer to "you" in this case I refer to Turks in general. The wars have always been between Cyprus and Turkey and not just between Cypriots and some Turkish minority that lived here. If it was like that then do you think you would manage to rule Cyprus and oppress us for 300+ years? The Turks in Cyprus have always been just the extension of the 70 million Turks. Here we are talking about small Cyprus of half million people (sometimes with support of the rest of Greeks of 10 million) versus the invading Turks of 70 million. So don't try to present yourself as the weak and innocent ones. If it was like that then you wouldn't have managed to kill so many 1000s of Cypriots, oppress our rights and occupy our lands.


There was violence and intimidation long before then you wally...Who the hell are you trying to kid.....How long was ENOSIS your dream :roll: :roll: :roll:


Enosis was never any of your business, but certainly was our Right ... which you denied us, because of the might of the 70 Million saying so! ... Enosis is now your wish because we have long moved on, and acquired "Enosis" not just with Greece, but with all the EU member countries; and now you wish your were part of that Enosis dream too....

Dream on!
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Postby growuptcs » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:21 am

growuptcs wrote:

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My racism is in kind and always has been...I do not see you hunting down others for it tough because you agree with most of it.....You also agree with stealing my place in government so stop crying about your bit of bloody land...... You want me to play fair then think about your actions...


Your just stuck on racism as an answer to this mess, all the way from London. Just because you probably worked for a Turk all your life doesn't mean thats the way of the world. Your a one-sided bigot who cant stop corroding this forum with emptiness because Turkish coups always went your way. Well guess what, this time its not going to go the way that "YOU" want it to. It's going to go down the way thats already happening. To get rid of all your corrupt leaders(which is practically all of them) and then try to live with the rest of the civilized world. Your brain is so corrupted, hatred is automatic against anything Turkish.



You assume too much and say very little.....Not surprising really....Stick with it my friend.....Your awaking is nigh!!!!


Who's assuming zan, me or you? I dont sit here as much as you trying to prove a moot point. I'm just waiting for justice to be served.
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Postby zan » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:25 am

Oracle wrote:
zan wrote:
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T_C wrote:Yeah OK Piratis. :lol:

An 80% majority import 20.000 soldiers from Greece to attack an 18% minority and you still act like we were the ones in the wrong. :lol:

Thats pathetic!

No ones trying to find excuses to commit more crimes against you.

The thread is about the pot calling the kettle black, and no matter how many excuses YOU try to find, NOTHING can deny what barbarians you can be yourselves.


What you are talking about never happened mate.

You are the ones who attacked us as I have shown clearly in my earlier post. In the war you started against us you have killed way more Greek Cypriots than the amount of casualties that you had.

Are you going to blame us because in the war you started against us you also had some casualties?

And when i refer to "you" in this case I refer to Turks in general. The wars have always been between Cyprus and Turkey and not just between Cypriots and some Turkish minority that lived here. If it was like that then do you think you would manage to rule Cyprus and oppress us for 300+ years? The Turks in Cyprus have always been just the extension of the 70 million Turks. Here we are talking about small Cyprus of half million people (sometimes with support of the rest of Greeks of 10 million) versus the invading Turks of 70 million. So don't try to present yourself as the weak and innocent ones. If it was like that then you wouldn't have managed to kill so many 1000s of Cypriots, oppress our rights and occupy our lands.


There was violence and intimidation long before then you wally...Who the hell are you trying to kid.....How long was ENOSIS your dream :roll: :roll: :roll:


Enosis was never any of your business, but certainly was our Right ... which you denied us, because of the might of the 70 Million saying so! ... Enosis is now your wish because we have long moved on, and acquired "Enosis" not just with Greece, but with all the EU member countries; and now you wish your were part of that Enosis dream too....

Dream on!




YOU have always been with GREECE........ :roll:


If ENOSIS was you right then we had a right to oppose it and we did...Now you have your ENOSIS and it seems you are happy with it..GOOD LUck...Bon Voyage!!!!..We have our TRNC...
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Postby zan » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:29 am

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My racism is in kind and always has been...I do not see you hunting down others for it tough because you agree with most of it.....You also agree with stealing my place in government so stop crying about your bit of bloody land...... You want me to play fair then think about your actions...


Your just stuck on racism as an answer to this mess, all the way from London. Just because you probably worked for a Turk all your life doesn't mean thats the way of the world. Your a one-sided bigot who cant stop corroding this forum with emptiness because Turkish coups always went your way. Well guess what, this time its not going to go the way that "YOU" want it to. It's going to go down the way thats already happening. To get rid of all your corrupt leaders(which is practically all of them) and then try to live with the rest of the civilized world. Your brain is so corrupted, hatred is automatic against anything Turkish.



You assume too much and say very little.....Not surprising really....Stick with it my friend.....Your awaking is nigh!!!!


Who's assuming zan, me or you? I dont sit here as much as you trying to prove a moot point. I'm just waiting for justice to be served.


You are assuming my good man....Talking crap about what I do and who I am.....

What I am doing is dedicating my time to help you get rid of your brainwashed ideas...My sacrifice for my people......Why should that bother you...Because it makes you think and maybe even question what you have been taught.....You seem to be resisting it though and that is your problem not mine....
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Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:05 am

T_C wrote:Ethnic Cleansing, Pot,Kettle and Black...

Good name for a thread, bad content. Who cares about Turkey, the same happened in Cyprus which is slightly more relevant in my opinion.

When the 20.000 Greeks invaded Cyprus we were ethnically cleansed from all over the place. Thankfully our Greek friends thought themselves invincible and didn't hesitate to do all this infront of cameras. :lol:

I have in my possession some really good pictures that I brought back from Cyprus if anyone thinks it necessary to see some CREDIBLE evidence. 8)

Including pictures of the barbarian Greek army with the rockets they were using against defenceless TCs. The remains of our villages and mosques after they were reduced to rubble by their weapons (all taken by the UN). I even have pictures of TCs being ethnically cleansed by Greeks at gun point from Kucuk Kaymakli and a map from the UNs Ortega report showing just how severe their attack on us was!!!

Then they turned around and told their own people and the world that we did all this to ourselves to achieve partition. :shock:

Forget what happened in Turkey...you ONLY need to look at Cyprus to see what ruthless savages these people can be.


careful T_C when you generalise with a "them": "them" are extremists who use terror to fulfil their own aim. you don't have to be a flavour to be this bad.

as for photos, i ask why you use them as threats, with those photos Justice should be served, and where are other photos, you like photos, do you have photos of this kind of brutality for similar reasons to demonstrate that it is the atrocity thefocus instead of another round of shame... since it is unlikely that no one remains unaffected. these photos are weapons, but for them to have a force they must be compiled; all the photos: not used in ploying. if the missing and murdered and raped are dead, what does it say about us, with photos no less, as though the Ignorance is limited to "others". Others?

cruel were the wrongs that these at the extreme reeked on the rest of us. there is only one hope. that is Grace. men died for this in the Great War, so that all Mankind should never fail itself again, but, real enemies like Hunger and Disease, we dismiss as too easy, and it is no coincidence that men (people) like Ghandi and King are murdered.

our choice is to act, and to overcome the fear we have within ourselves in embracing the future.

't' guy who started the tread, welcome. most of this was directed toward your original post, because there is no doubt that "Greeks" are barbarians, so too the rest of the Occidental world (which it can be said she spawned), but this game with "Turks" is no better, disgusting because we allow this brutal intent to define our cultures, still.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:27 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
T_C wrote:Ethnic Cleansing, Pot,Kettle and Black...

Good name for a thread, bad content. Who cares about Turkey, the same happened in Cyprus which is slightly more relevant in my opinion.

When the 20.000 Greeks invaded Cyprus we were ethnically cleansed from all over the place. Thankfully our Greek friends thought themselves invincible and didn't hesitate to do all this infront of cameras. :lol:

I have in my possession some really good pictures that I brought back from Cyprus if anyone thinks it necessary to see some CREDIBLE evidence. 8)

Including pictures of the barbarian Greek army with the rockets they were using against defenceless TCs. The remains of our villages and mosques after they were reduced to rubble by their weapons (all taken by the UN). I even have pictures of TCs being ethnically cleansed by Greeks at gun point from Kucuk Kaymakli and a map from the UNs Ortega report showing just how severe their attack on us was!!!

Then they turned around and told their own people and the world that we did all this to ourselves to achieve partition. :shock:

Forget what happened in Turkey...you ONLY need to look at Cyprus to see what ruthless savages these people can be.


careful T_C when you generalise with a "them": "them" are extremists who use terror to fulfil their own aim. you don't have to be a flavour to be this bad.

as for photos, i ask why you use them as threats, with those photos Justice should be served, and where are other photos, you like photos, do you have photos of this kind of brutality for similar reasons to demonstrate that it is the atrocity thefocus instead of another round of shame... since it is unlikely that no one remains unaffected. these photos are weapons, but for them to have a force they must be compiled; all the photos: not used in ploying. if the missing and murdered and raped are dead, what does it say about us, with photos no less, as though the Ignorance is limited to "others". Others?

cruel were the wrongs that these at the extreme reeked on the rest of us. there is only one hope. that is Grace. men died for this in the Great War, so that all Mankind should never fail itself again, but, real enemies like Hunger and Disease, we dismiss as too easy, and it is no coincidence that men (people) like Ghandi and King are murdered.

our choice is to act, and to overcome the fear we have within ourselves in embracing the future.

't' guy who started the tread, welcome. most of this was directed toward your original post, because there is no doubt that "Greeks" are barbarians, so too the rest of the Occidental world (which it can be said she spawned), but this game with "Turks" is no better, disgusting because we allow this brutal intent to define our cultures, still.


:idea:

What gentle guidance, with which to start the day ......

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Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:14 am

denizaksulu wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:I thought the reason the other Western powers cut off their support was because Greece had been told what territory it could take following the Treaty of Sevres, but instead its army decided to drive on deep into Anatolia in a forlorn attempt to recreate the exploits of Alexander the Great, and into ultimate annihilation.



That is also what I understand too from many sources. It is not the first time that 'false' information or revised histories are produced like this.


I don't know if you have ever read Lord Kinross's seminal biography of Ataturk, but it is very clear to me from this book that it was precisely this lunatic Greek adventure which provided the catalyst that enabled Mustafa Kemal to unite the disparate forces in Anatolia that opposed the Treaty of Sevres and forge them into an effective national liberation movement. By a strange quirk of history, rabid, irredentist Greek nationalism helped to give birth to the modern Turkish state. I can't help chuckling when I read some of the posts on this forum by Greek nationalists berating the Republic of Turkey when the ideology they subscribe to actually helped to create this nation. I am sure that this irony is not lost on you, either.
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Postby miltiades » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:40 am

T_C wrote:Yeah OK Piratis. :lol:

An 80% majority import 20.000 soldiers from Greece to attack an 18% minority and you still act like we were the ones in the wrong. :lol:

Thats pathetic!

No ones trying to find excuses to commit more crimes against you.

The thread is about the pot calling the kettle black, and no matter how many excuses YOU try to find, NOTHING can deny what barbarians you can be yourselves.

Are they the same barbarians that offer free health care to every single T/C in the hospitals of the RoC. Are they the same barbarians that that the entire world has in mind when referring to barbarians , do people say , Oh yes the G/Cs the barbarians. TC , you were at one stage a moderate you are allowing yourself to become intoxicated with the Zan mentality. The people of Cyprus are known throughout the world for their hospitality friendliness and and their aversion to cruelty against the human race. I think you are confusing Cyprus with Turkey whose human rights record is well documented and known worldwide.
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