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[DT.]

You're a little too late Andros, there almost IS a Turkish majority in Cyprus.

When you add up the TCs, the workers, the illegal workers, the soldiers, students, then consider majority of them came with their families, theres estimated to be more than 600.000 Turks in the north.....and counting....

you need to cook the numbers some more then, You're still a minority we're 790,000 over here at last count.

[Bananiot]

Nikitas, you keep flirting with the idea of double union. This isn't an option under any circumstances. Cyprus can only survive as an independent nation.

[T_C]

You're a little too late Andros, there almost IS a Turkish majority in Cyprus.

When you add up the TCs, the workers, the illegal workers, the soldiers, students, then consider majority of them came with their families, theres estimated to be more than 600.000 Turks in the north.....and counting....

you need to cook the numbers some more then, You're still a minority we're 790,000 over here at last count.

No DT I really don't think thats such a good idea...

[Nikitas]

Bananiot said:

"Nikitas, you keep flirting with the idea of double union. This isn't an option under any circumstances. Cyprus can only survive as an independent nation."

You are confusing the reference to a possible, but not probable, option with what I might want. I DEFINITELY do not want ANY solution other than a truly independent Cyprus, and the term independent is used in its full meaning under international law.

But, when people are waving the spectre of annexation of the north by Turkey they must be made aware that there is an antidote, and that the antidote is not at all palatable to them. Capische Paesan?

[Bananiot]

I am not confusing anything Nikitas. You have answered my question on this some time ago. What you are saying is that we should scare Turkey, basically by saying that we would commit suicide, should the north be annexed to Turkey. Anyway, Greece will be the last country on earth to go head to head with Turkey over Cyprus. Diplomatic standoffs, yes. Military standoffs, definitely no.

[Cem]

Cem,


I'm not saying that I hate anything Turkish from Turkey, but when it comes to Cyprus, it's about time Turkey left it alone and the only realistic way I see that happening is for us (Greek Cypriots) to call Turkey's bluff and agree to Partition (like soo many other EU states in the past) but on our Terms.

I strongly believe, espeically after President Christofias' and Talat's meetings that a federation idea and agreement by our former President Makarios was a very bad mistake. They must have caught him off guard.

As for anything to do with an Annan Plan idea of two inter-component or Constituent states, I think it's all a Turkish scam in order for Turkey to "One Day" gain control of the entire island. Just imagine Turkey entering the EU one day with a United Republic of Cyprus! How do think Turkey will act?

I know that Turkey will immediately over-populate the island with the New Legal Turkish "EU" settlers and then force a national election of the island with a "Turkish" majority!

As soon as our people see the future, the quicker we will be able to protect what is left of the Republic of Cyprus, perhaps even gaining more land in a two republic deal - OUR WAY!

Sorry for my harsh views - but enough is enough.

I am ready to battle any of my Greek Cypriot brothers and Sisters on this issue, where, if I can not win their backing with words, I hope I do not win after it is too late!

Regards,
Andros

Judging from this post of yours, I might believe even myself that you and I have so much in common, that we might end up becoming one virtual person as our Super-Scientist claimed.

Only I differ from you with respect to Turkey's EU membership, for she will never be in EU, take it from someone who knows both Turkey (because I am half turkish and having lived in EU close to 6 years).

So your concerns about making Cyprus predominantly Turkish controlled by bringing in EU citizen turks after her admission is groundless.

The partition idea was not what I had defended at the beginning, however, if it comes to crunch, this may not be a bad option provided that:

1) Turkey steps out Cyprus both as guarantor and a military power.

2) Most of settlers (particularly those who came here last 10 years and those who have no particular qualification, educational level, cultural ties etc) should go back.

3) If there is vacuum in the north due to their departure, it should be filled by bringing over TC diaspora by making the living conditions attractive for them.

4) Armenians and Maronite Cypriots should be able to resettle in the north for start and a pre-agreed but restricted number of GCs as well.

5) The ultimate aim of the government in the north should be to join EU in 10 years and pending this period GCs having their property in the north can be compensated or rent their properties.

So who will be the guarantor for the north ? EU itself however full EU acquis communautaire become applicable at the end of 10 years, siga siga as you say in greek.

Once this state in the north becomes part of EU itself, the issue will automatically solved even without two states reunifying.

Thus, Turkey's role as guarantor ends and replaced by EU at the end of specific period. Afterwards, everyone will be able to settle wherever they like.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot said:

"Greece will be the last country on earth to go head to head with Turkey over Cyprus."

Over Cyprus, yes I agree with you Greece will not confront Turkey, otherwise Greece has been caught up in a long term military standoff with Turkey since 1974. Hardly a day goes past without some kind of air or sea violation and counteraction. And in March 1987 there was a determined show of force which woke up the Ozal government.

[halil]

You're a little too late Andros, there almost IS a Turkish majority in Cyprus.

When you add up the TCs, the workers, the illegal workers, the soldiers, students, then consider majority of them came with their families, theres estimated to be more than 600.000 Turks in the north.....and counting....

you need to cook the numbers some more then, You're still a minority we're 790,000 over here at last count.

DT ,
in 2 years time u will be minority , they makes 8-10 kids , but u can't beat them .... u can make only 1-2 mate .... ha ha ,be carefull

[Oracle]

You're a little too late Andros, there almost IS a Turkish majority in Cyprus.

When you add up the TCs, the workers, the illegal workers, the soldiers, students, then consider majority of them came with their families, theres estimated to be more than 600.000 Turks in the north.....and counting....

you need to cook the numbers some more then, You're still a minority we're 790,000 over here at last count.

DT ,
in 2 years time u will be minority , they makes 8-10 kids , but u can't beat them .... u can make only 1-2 mate .... ha ha ,be carefull

Keep breeding for Turkey ....

[zan]

Cem,


I'm not saying that I hate anything Turkish from Turkey, but when it comes to Cyprus, it's about time Turkey left it alone and the only realistic way I see that happening is for us (Greek Cypriots) to call Turkey's bluff and agree to Partition (like soo many other EU states in the past) but on our Terms.

I strongly believe, espeically after President Christofias' and Talat's meetings that a federation idea and agreement by our former President Makarios was a very bad mistake. They must have caught him off guard.

As for anything to do with an Annan Plan idea of two inter-component or Constituent states, I think it's all a Turkish scam in order for Turkey to "One Day" gain control of the entire island. Just imagine Turkey entering the EU one day with a United Republic of Cyprus! How do think Turkey will act?

I know that Turkey will immediately over-populate the island with the New Legal Turkish "EU" settlers and then force a national election of the island with a "Turkish" majority!

As soon as our people see the future, the quicker we will be able to protect what is left of the Republic of Cyprus, perhaps even gaining more land in a two republic deal - OUR WAY!

Sorry for my harsh views - but enough is enough.

I am ready to battle any of my Greek Cypriot brothers and Sisters on this issue, where, if I can not win their backing with words, I hope I do not win after it is too late!

Regards,
Andros

Judging from this post of yours, I might believe even myself that you and I have so much in common, that we might end up becoming one virtual person as our Super-Scientist claimed.

Only I differ from you with respect to Turkey's EU membership, for she will never be in EU, take it from someone who knows both Turkey (because I am half turkish and having lived in EU close to 6 years).

So your concerns about making Cyprus predominantly Turkish controlled by bringing in EU citizen turks after her admission is groundless.

The partition idea was not what I had defended at the beginning, however, if it comes to crunch, this may not be a bad option provided that:

1) Turkey steps out Cyprus both as guarantor and a military power.

2) Most of settlers (particularly those who came here last 10 years and those who have no particular qualification, educational level, cultural ties etc) should go back.

3) If there is vacuum in the north due to their departure, it should be filled by bringing over TC diaspora by making the living conditions attractive for them.

4) Armenians and Maronite Cypriots should be able to resettle in the north for start and a pre-agreed but restricted number of GCs as well.

5) The ultimate aim of the government in the north should be to join EU in 10 years and pending this period GCs having their property in the north can be compensated or rent their properties.

So who will be the guarantor for the north ? EU itself however full EU acquis communautaire become applicable at the end of 10 years, siga siga as you say in greek.

Once this state in the north becomes part of EU itself, the issue will automatically solved even without two states reunifying.

Thus, Turkey's role as guarantor ends and replaced by EU at the end of specific period. Afterwards, everyone will be able to settle wherever they like.

America and the UK want Turkey in the EU and they will get in....

As more and more people mix in areas then I am also sure that that law will change as well. It has to.

As to the rest....Lets see if these talks fail who will have to eat their words......Another unsustainable situation