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[Get Real!]

Get Real is Bananiot any good? Or is he a left back in the dressing room!!!!!

There’s a rumor going round about his sponge & bucket techniques…

It's not a rumour it's true...Someone has to carry you around you spineless sponge!!!

That must've made your evening...

[zan]

Get Real is Bananiot any good? Or is he a left back in the dressing room!!!!!

There’s a rumor going round about his sponge & bucket techniques…

It's not a rumour it's true...Someone has to carry you around you spineless sponge!!!

That must've made your evening...

It just comes naturally.. ( Any references to premature ejaculation will be points deducted)

[Piratis]

As I expected Bananiot avoided answering. His only concern is that in the conflict that the Turks started and where they murdered 10s of thousands of Cypriots in order to keep Cyprus under their rule by force, some tiny in comparison number of Turks got killed and suffered as well.

The truth is that Cyprus is just another Greek island which has been denied its freedom and self-determination by means of brute force and blackmail.

But Bananiot doesn't care about the truth. What he cares about is to say what the Turks like to hear, thinking that we can build trust and friendship based on lies.

Sorry Bananiot, but I can not play your games. If you believe that the truth is somehting that should be silenced then the best you can do is stop asking the questions. We are not going around the forum "advertising" that Cyprus is Greek, but don't expect from us to lie when you ask the question if Cyprus is Greek, just because you made lies part of your policy.

Now I will say the only valid argument that you could make, but you didn't have the balls to say it because that would spoil your image: That giving up part of our identity and promoting some lies would be a small price to pay if by doing so we can create a united and peaceful "just Cypriot" nation that can avoid the centuries old Greek-Turkish enmity.

That would be an argument which would have some base. If I believed that such thing could actually work in reality then, I wouldn't lie, but I would just remain silent and let you do the lying (since you don't mind). I believe this is what DT is doing, but instead of appreciating it you were instead trying to force him to lie.

Unfortunately the only argument that Bananiot could have still wouldn't stand in reality. For such thing to work it has to be the aim of both sides, not just one. The Turkish leadership had division and segregation as an aim right from the beginning, when during their rule they divided the Cypriot population between higher class Muslims with more rights, and lower class Christians with less rights. This policy remains unchanged until today, and there is no sign that it could change.

Therefore even if we give up part of the identity of the Cypriot people and Cyprus, nothing positive would be gained. On the contrary, by allowing such distortions in our history we would make it much easier for the Turks to excuse their crimes against us, and would alienate the rest of Greeks which are the only close allies that we have.

Furthermore doing such thing would set a terrible president. If we accept that Cyprus is not Greek just because brute force and blackmail was applied against us, then due to the same reasons we could also accept that north Cyprus is not "just Cypriot", but it is "Turkish Cypriot", and finally "just Turkish" because again brute force is applied in that direction. The aim of the Turkish policy is clear, and can be seen from the way they named the occupied part of our island: "Turkish republic of northern Cyprus". Not "Cypriot Republic" or even "Turkish Cypriot Republic", but just Turkish. This is why the partitionists are the biggest fans of Bananiot, because he is helping them achieve their aim of partition and permanent Turkification of the north part of our island.

So are we willing to accept that the identity of a territory is not set by its history and the identity of its native population, but instead by the brute force and blackmail that some foreign invader applies? If we accept such thing then the result is not a "Just Cypriot" Cyprus, but partition and the north part of our island becoming a "Turkish Cyprus".

For this reason I reject the argument that faking our history and giving up part of our identity can have any positive result, unless there is a clear indication that the other side is willing to accept a "just Cypriot" Cyprus without any kind of segregation and divisions.

[zan]

The truth is that that Cyprus is 63% a Greek island mate.......You talk about Greeks being simple peaceful settlers but the truth again is very different..The island has been kept Greek by force and murder and the persecution of every settler there. Those that have been allowed to stay have had to give into your culture or perish. I expect that from the older less sophisticated Greek but not from the modern Greek that you profess to be. Your ENOSIS dream has kept the island in conflict and not as you put it, others that have kept you from self determination. You talk of democracy but when democracy threatens to work against you you turn to murder and persecution. He who lives by the sword then dies by the sword and that is why you now have a fraction of the island instead of living peacefully with your compatriots. That has been your self inflicted fait an still you threaten the people of Cyprus with the domination of one culture whether it is conducive to their needs or not. We have no desire to do that to you an will not allow you to do t to us, so keep your 63% and we will keep our part of Cyprus. Good luck and may your god have pity on your souls.

[DT.]

Are you denying that Cyprus is Greek?

Cyprus is Cypriot. I am proud of my Greek ethnic background and culture but Cyprus is Cypriot.

Not too clear is it DT......No wonder I missed it.....Define please....Is cyprus the one with the Greek flag over it and the Greek national anthem and all those tourist guides that do not mention the TCs as part and parcel of the partnership in Cyprus......No more cop outs...Define!!!!!

I don't have to define anything to you, you hypocrite of the highest order.

You talk of Greek flags when you've painted the entire mountain of Pendadaktylos in your gruesome Pac-Man image. You talk of tourist guides not mentioning the TC's when you've WIPED OUT 1/3 of the islands population from their land and homes, re-named their villages after Turkish murderers and Greek killers and hold the island to ransom with 40,000 troops.

The entire world see's you for what you are Zan. A spoilt child who has not stolen enough from the Greek Cypriots and now demands more!

[zan]

Are you denying that Cyprus is Greek?

Cyprus is Cypriot. I am proud of my Greek ethnic background and culture but Cyprus is Cypriot.

Not too clear is it DT......No wonder I missed it.....Define please....Is cyprus the one with the Greek flag over it and the Greek national anthem and all those tourist guides that do not mention the TCs as part and parcel of the partnership in Cyprus......No more cop outs...Define!!!!!

I don't have to define anything to you, you hypocrite of the highest order.

You talk of Greek flags when you've painted the entire mountain of Pendadaktylos in your gruesome Pac-Man image. You talk of tourist guides not mentioning the TC's when you've WIPED OUT 1/3 of the islands population from their land and homes, re-named their villages after Turkish murderers and Greek killers and hold the island to ransom with 40,000 troops.

The entire world see's you for what you are Zan. A spoilt child who has not stolen enough from the Greek Cypriots and now demands more!

I didn't think so.. We don't say we represent the whole of Cyprus...you do......Cypriot my arse....Come on DT...say it...Cyprus is Greek......TO YOU

[Piratis]

Zan, as always, you resort to lies.

Lets see some historical facts, from your friends at the American Library of Congress:

First Greeks in Cyprus:

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

First Turks in Cyprus:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html

The Greeks my friend were among the first people to settle in Cyprus several 1000s of years ago. Very few countries today have populations that have so deep roots like we do in Cyprus (how many countries do you know that they speak the same language for 3500 years?). The first Greeks came here when most of the island was uninhabited and they created their own new cities. They didn't harm anybody and they didn't take the land of anybody else.

The Turks on the other hand came to Cyprus as invadors, butchering people by the 10s of thousands, stealing our lands and imposing their rule over us. And yet Zan comes here talking about GCs wanting to supposedly dominate them. The truth is the opposide: It is the Turks who came to Cyprus in order to dominate us and impose their rule over us and our island. We never had any desire to dominate them. We never ventured out of our own island to harm anybody. The only thing we ever wanted was (and continues to be) to live free on our own island.

Freedom for the Greek lands (including Cyprus) and to create our own free Greek state was our right. Yes we fought for our right for freedom, and we will keep fighting for it against the foreign invaders of your kind.

Here is our "crime" according to Zan. Our desire for freedom that according to him gave them the right to yet again butcher the native Cypriot people:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

The truth Zan is that the whole of Cyprus is a Greek island. A Greek island which has been denied its freedom for centuries by means of brute force, blackmail and ehtnic cleansing, but no matter how many foreign invaders pass over our island they are all temporary.

By illegally occupying the north part of our island, ethnically cleansing its native population and replacing them with foreign Settlers, destroying our churches and our historical monuments, changing the names of our villages and all these criminal acts that you are making, you are only showing what kind of barbarians you are (just like you have always been) and nothing more. You can not change what Cyprus is by force.

[zan]

Zan, as always, you resort to lies.

Lets see some historical facts, from your friends at the American Library of Congress:

First Greeks in Cyprus:

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

First Turks in Cyprus:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html

The Greeks my friend were among the first people to settle in Cyprus several 1000s of years ago. Very few countries today have populations that have so deep roots like we do in Cyprus (how many countries do you know that they speak the same language for 3500 years?). The first Greeks came here when most of the island was uninhabited and they created their own new cities. They didn't harm anybody and they didn't take the land of anybody else.

The Turks on the other hand came to Cyprus as invadors, butchering people by the 10s of thousands, stealing our lands and imposing their rule over us. And yet Zan comes here talking about GCs wanting to supposedly dominate them. The truth is the opposide: It is the Turks who came to Cyprus in order to dominate us and impose their rule over us and our island. We never had any desire to dominate them. We never ventured out of our own island to harm anybody. The only thing we ever wanted was (and continues to be) to live free on our own island.

Freedom for the Greek lands (including Cyprus) and to create our own free Greek state was our right. Yes we fought for our right for freedom, and we will keep fighting for it against the foreign invaders of your kind.

Here is our "crime" according to Zan. Our desire for freedom that according to him gave them the right to yet again butcher the native Cypriot people:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

The truth Zan is that the whole of Cyprus is a Greek island. A Greek island which has been denied its freedom for centuries by means of brute force, blackmail and ehtnic cleansing, but no matter how many foreign invaders pass over our island they are all temporary.

By illegally occupying the north part of our island, ethnically cleansing its native population and replacing them with foreign Settlers, destroying our churches and our historical monuments, changing the names of our villages and all these criminal acts that you are making, you are only showing what kind of barbarians you are (just like you have always been) and nothing more. You can not change what Cyprus is by force.

Your whole argument falls flat on it's face when you claim that you know who was on the island when the Greeks came....Nobody knows that for sure and you claiming it just goes to show what a lier and a hypocrite you are.

The essence of my post, that you missed or ignored more like, is what you have done since your arrival on the island. You have tried to strangle other settlers, of which you are only one, out of existence. You are like a leach on the land and you suck the life out of everything that is not Greek. That is what you call democracy. In the event that YOUR democracy was ever threatened by a population you used force and persecution to eradicate it from the island..That is the very nature of your so called democracy. You are still trying to do it through lies and deception as to the origins and purity of the Cypriot race. You are a disgrace to that race and clearly the reason for partition and conflict with your dreams of uniting with a country that only has a language as a reference. I then have no choice but to ally with people that have a similar reference with me. The democracy that you try to sell to the world seems to have an ever changing face that you alone want to control at the expense of other Cypriots homes and lives.......You are a hypocrite mate and a lier propagandist to boot!!!!!

[zan]

Are you denying that Cyprus is Greek?

Cyprus is Cypriot. I am proud of my Greek ethnic background and culture but Cyprus is Cypriot.

Not too clear is it DT......No wonder I missed it.....Define please....Is cyprus the one with the Greek flag over it and the Greek national anthem and all those tourist guides that do not mention the TCs as part and parcel of the partnership in Cyprus......No more cop outs...Define!!!!!

I don't have to define anything to you, you hypocrite of the highest order.

You talk of Greek flags when you've painted the entire mountain of Pendadaktylos in your gruesome Pac-Man image. You talk of tourist guides not mentioning the TC's when you've WIPED OUT 1/3 of the islands population from their land and homes, re-named their villages after Turkish murderers and Greek killers and hold the island to ransom with 40,000 troops.

The entire world see's you for what you are Zan. A spoilt child who has not stolen enough from the Greek Cypriots and now demands more!

I didn't think so.. We don't say we represent the whole of Cyprus...you do......Cypriot my arse....Come on DT...say it...Cyprus is Greek......TO YOU

Still waiting!!!!

[DT.]

Are you denying that Cyprus is Greek?

Cyprus is Cypriot. I am proud of my Greek ethnic background and culture but Cyprus is Cypriot.

Not too clear is it DT......No wonder I missed it.....Define please....Is cyprus the one with the Greek flag over it and the Greek national anthem and all those tourist guides that do not mention the TCs as part and parcel of the partnership in Cyprus......No more cop outs...Define!!!!!

I don't have to define anything to you, you hypocrite of the highest order.

You talk of Greek flags when you've painted the entire mountain of Pendadaktylos in your gruesome Pac-Man image. You talk of tourist guides not mentioning the TC's when you've WIPED OUT 1/3 of the islands population from their land and homes, re-named their villages after Turkish murderers and Greek killers and hold the island to ransom with 40,000 troops.

The entire world see's you for what you are Zan. A spoilt child who has not stolen enough from the Greek Cypriots and now demands more!

I didn't think so.. We don't say we represent the whole of Cyprus...you do......Cypriot my arse....Come on DT...say it...Cyprus is Greek......TO YOU

Still waiting!!!!

Cows coming home Zan. You tell me what gives you the right to claim 1/3 of the island as purely Turkish!!!