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[Paphitis]

For instance and here I also note your oft-posted commitment to the New Europe, how do you square a BBF solution to the laws of the same EU regarding freedom of movement and right to enjoy one's property?

BBF is just a fancy way of disguising partition. It is by it's very nature in contravention to basic EU laws and principles. It defines 2 self governing federated states, segregated on racial lines to maintain a numerical superiority of a particular community within it's so called zone. This can only be achieved by impeding freedom of movement, the right of certain individuals returning to their properties, and by limiting one communities democratic rights and hence human rights within that zone.

My position on this is that I support the implementation of the EU Acquis over all of Cyprus. All persons must have freedom of movement, and to enjoy basic democratic rights no matter where they reside. All refugees must be allowed the opportunity to return to their dispossessed homes. Any solution to Cyprus must conform to basic EU law. There can be no exception for Cyprus.

On other matters of substance I would ask where you stand on matters of security and territorial adjustments. What level of Turkish Army (if any at all of course) should remain post-solution and whether any notion of Guarantor-ship from outside Europe is acceptable to you? What level of territorial adjustment do you wish to see in the BBF?

I am totally opposed to any Treaty of Guarantees, particularly from Greece, Turkey and UK. I am also opposed to any Greek or Turkish troops being stationed on the island. I also consider demilitarisation as a flawed concept. Cyprus should not be demilitarised, and I also opposed the Zurich 1960 provisions in capping the size of the CNG. I consider the military to be the backbone of any nation. Having said that, military service should become voluntary, and I am also willing to compromise by allowing the TC community a minimum quota in defence matters, in order to alleviate their security concerns. I am also willing to accept compromise by accepting a Treaty of Guarantee from either EU, or UN but only for a fixed time period such as 10 years.

Territorial adjustment is an extremely important issue. The current territorial adjustment which appear to be giving the TCs control of 29% of Cyprus is unacceptable, especially since the Greek sector will be carrying the burden of industrial and service industry zones. In other words, the Greek sector will be the one burdened with providing both GCs and TCs economic prosperity and jobs. The TCs are wanting to negotiate many things such as "Virgin Birth" of 2 Federated states governed loosely by a Central Federal Government with little power except for matters of foreign Affairs and Defence. And even here, the TCs are asking for veto rights which effectively leaves them in 100% control of the Federation as well. In other words, the TCs want a Confederacy, which could quite easily facilitate the permanent partition they always wanted. This is why I advocate a fairer distribution in proportion with each communities population as at pre Jul, 1974. I advocate an 18%-82% land re-distribution, but with the condition that all citizens have a right to return to their lost homes.

I am opposed to "Virgin Birth". I advocate the maintenance and defence of the current Republic of Cyprus and it's evolution into a Strong Federation. The Republic of Cyprus is our last line of defence. It is our biggest weapon and this is why the Turks want us to disband it. If we ever disband the entity which gives us our legitimacy, then we have effectively lost the whole war and have capitulated to Turkey.

These more substantive things have been discussed in other threads in recent days by members, including P, but where do you stand on them? I do not think discussions on these should be ignored or left to negotiators alone. It may also make the voting of those members who wish to take part in this poll be a little better informed.

Formulating a solution in a few paragraphs is an injustice, as one would need to write a thesis as large as the Annan Plan itself, to fully address all issues. The above however is a very basic outline of where I stand. I have attempted to avoid symbolic rhetoric and address the issues with substance.

I thank all those who have supported me. I have received some PMs, from many of you and I will be replying to you all shortly.

I also hope that I have made my positions clear and I request your support in this poll. I stand here knowing that whatever I say and do is for 1 aim. To protect The Republic of Cyprus and to respect basic human and democratic rights and by the rule of EU law.

If any members have any additional questions, then please feel free to PM me.

I wish my opponent good luck!

Just wish to add to my manifesto regarding Security Issues and the 1960 Treaty of Guarantees:

I am opposed to any Treaty of guarantee as every single guarantor power has let Cyprus down and violated their obligations which they were bound by under the treaty.

Greece for example initiated a disastrous and illegal coup against the legitimate Government of Cyprus. This coup by The Greek Junta, was supported by Cypriot extremists and more importantly by the USA and to a lesser extent, the UK. This gave the green light for Turkey to invade Cyprus on 20 Jul 08, who claimed was protecting the TCs. Turkey had an opportunity of taking the moral high ground if they re-established the islands sovereignty as per the 1960 Zurich agreements as offered by the GCs before the ceasefire break out in Aug 1974. The third guarantor to Cyprus, Britain, did absolutely nothing to defend Cyprus and evidence also exists that Britain may have in actual fact of been just another accomplice to the Cyprus Calamity.

All three Guarantor Powers, under USA coercion, have violated the provisions of the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee. This is more so the case with Turkey who has occupied Cyprus for 34 years.

Therefore, Cyprus can never trust these 3 Guarantors ever again.

As you can see, 2 big contributors to the Cyprus Problem have always been the USA and Britain, then followed by Greece and Turkey.

I ask Miltiades to elaborate on whether he agrees that USA and Britain are responsible for many things in Cyprus, including the Greek Coup, Turkish Invasion and continued occupation.

I am looking forward to your views on these issues!

[DT.]

as long as they are is no new treaties are sign old one is valid DT about guarantees .


under the UN talks there is no CYPRUS .... TURKİSH CYPRİOTS and GREEK CYPRİOTS are on the table with their elected leaders

Cyprus can not say , i don't want guarantees , because at UN talk table there is no ROC as you are saying .On the table TC and GC sides are talking .

of course two sides will decide and what they are doing now , i am not against it DT .İf two sides can not decide there will be no at referandum .

If you like or not for guarantees others has got words to say as well .

This is valid till there is a agreement .

SO halil you've stripped apart the 1960 constitution and have come to the conclusion that the only part you WISH to be valid is the treaty of guarantee (which by the way Turkey is currently in breach of)

as long as they are is no new treaties are sign old one is valid DT about guarantees .

Well halil, you either accept the entire constitution and face facts like the rest of your ROC passport carrying countrymen or you can say that 1960 is not valid. The argument you use where you say ONLY THE PARTS OF 1960 THAT I WANT ARE VALID AND THE REST ARE VOID is ridiculous!!!!!!!

[DT.]

And one more thing Halil. The UN is talking to the President of Cyprus when the speak, not a community leader. There is a Cyprus and it is one and indivisible.

The Secretary-General welcomed reaffirmation by President Christofias of his commitment to finding a solution and his willingness to continue to work with the United Nations, including Special Adviser of the Secretary-General, Mr. Downer”.

The Secretary-General's, statement said, “further urged the expeditious implementation of confidence building measures. They also discussed collaboration between the United Nations and the Republic of Cyprus on global issues, including MDGs and climate change”.

[miltiades]

For instance and here I also note your oft-posted commitment to the New Europe, how do you square a BBF solution to the laws of the same EU regarding freedom of movement and right to enjoy one's property?

BBF is just a fancy way of disguising partition. It is by it's very nature in contravention to basic EU laws and principles. It defines 2 self governing federated states, segregated on racial lines to maintain a numerical superiority of a particular community within it's so called zone. This can only be achieved by impeding freedom of movement, the right of certain individuals returning to their properties, and by limiting one communities democratic rights and hence human rights within that zone.

My position on this is that I support the implementation of the EU Acquis over all of Cyprus. All persons must have freedom of movement, and to enjoy basic democratic rights no matter where they reside. All refugees must be allowed the opportunity to return to their dispossessed homes. Any solution to Cyprus must conform to basic EU law. There can be no exception for Cyprus.

On other matters of substance I would ask where you stand on matters of security and territorial adjustments. What level of Turkish Army (if any at all of course) should remain post-solution and whether any notion of Guarantor-ship from outside Europe is acceptable to you? What level of territorial adjustment do you wish to see in the BBF?

I am totally opposed to any Treaty of Guarantees, particularly from Greece, Turkey and UK. I am also opposed to any Greek or Turkish troops being stationed on the island. I also consider demilitarisation as a flawed concept. Cyprus should not be demilitarised, and I also opposed the Zurich 1960 provisions in capping the size of the CNG. I consider the military to be the backbone of any nation. Having said that, military service should become voluntary, and I am also willing to compromise by allowing the TC community a minimum quota in defence matters, in order to alleviate their security concerns. I am also willing to accept compromise by accepting a Treaty of Guarantee from either EU, or UN but only for a fixed time period such as 10 years.

Territorial adjustment is an extremely important issue. The current territorial adjustment which appear to be giving the TCs control of 29% of Cyprus is unacceptable, especially since the Greek sector will be carrying the burden of industrial and service industry zones. In other words, the Greek sector will be the one burdened with providing both GCs and TCs economic prosperity and jobs. The TCs are wanting to negotiate many things such as "Virgin Birth" of 2 Federated states governed loosely by a Central Federal Government with little power except for matters of foreign Affairs and Defence. And even here, the TCs are asking for veto rights which effectively leaves them in 100% control of the Federation as well. In other words, the TCs want a Confederacy, which could quite easily facilitate the permanent partition they always wanted. This is why I advocate a fairer distribution in proportion with each communities population as at pre Jul, 1974. I advocate an 18%-82% land re-distribution, but with the condition that all citizens have a right to return to their lost homes.

I am opposed to "Virgin Birth". I advocate the maintenance and defence of the current Republic of Cyprus and it's evolution into a Strong Federation. The Republic of Cyprus is our last line of defence. It is our biggest weapon and this is why the Turks want us to disband it. If we ever disband the entity which gives us our legitimacy, then we have effectively lost the whole war and have capitulated to Turkey.

These more substantive things have been discussed in other threads in recent days by members, including P, but where do you stand on them? I do not think discussions on these should be ignored or left to negotiators alone. It may also make the voting of those members who wish to take part in this poll be a little better informed.

Formulating a solution in a few paragraphs is an injustice, as one would need to write a thesis as large as the Annan Plan itself, to fully address all issues. The above however is a very basic outline of where I stand. I have attempted to avoid symbolic rhetoric and address the issues with substance.

I thank all those who have supported me. I have received some PMs, from many of you and I will be replying to you all shortly.

I also hope that I have made my positions clear and I request your support in this poll. I stand here knowing that whatever I say and do is for 1 aim. To protect The Republic of Cyprus and to respect basic human and democratic rights and by the rule of EU law.

If any members have any additional questions, then please feel free to PM me.

I wish my opponent good luck!

Just wish to add to my manifesto regarding Security Issues and the 1960 Treaty of Guarantees:

I am opposed to any Treaty of guarantee as every single guarantor power has let Cyprus down and violated their obligations which they were bound by under the treaty.

Greece for example initiated a disastrous and illegal coup against the legitimate Government of Cyprus. This coup by The Greek Junta, was supported by Cypriot extremists and more importantly by the USA and to a lesser extent, the UK. This gave the green light for Turkey to invade Cyprus on 20 Jul 08, who claimed was protecting the TCs. Turkey had an opportunity of taking the moral high ground if they re-established the islands sovereignty as per the 1960 Zurich agreements as offered by the GCs before the ceasefire break out in Aug 1974. The third guarantor to Cyprus, Britain, did absolutely nothing to defend Cyprus and evidence also exists that Britain may have in actual fact of been just another accomplice to the Cyprus Calamity.

All three Guarantor Powers, under USA coercion, have violated the provisions of the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee. This is more so the case with Turkey who has occupied Cyprus for 34 years.

Therefore, Cyprus can never trust these 3 Guarantors ever again.

As you can see, 2 big contributors to the Cyprus Problem have always been the USA and Britain, then followed by Greece and Turkey.

I ask Miltiades to elaborate on whether he agrees that USA and Britain are responsible for many things in Cyprus, including the Greek Coup, Turkish Invasion and continued occupation.

I am looking forward to your views on these issues!

I have already answered that mate ! However suffice to state that my position is that of the ROC .I believe that our negotiators are best positioned to deal with the process of reaching a negotiated settlement and provided no one declares WAR I'm behind the RoC .

[Get Real!]

I boomerang refuse to be silenced, and hereby excercise my democratic right to vote in the CF poll...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus19925.html

...via the "letsmoanaboutcyprus" online voting center and declare that my vote goes out to paphitis and hereby authorize my acting agent get real to post my written vote in the appropriate CF thread.

Regards, boomerang

[Oracle]

I boomerang refuse to be silenced, and hereby excercise my democratic right to vote in the CF poll...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus19925.html

...via the "letsmoanaboutcyprus" online voting center and declare that my vote goes out to paphitis and hereby authorize my acting agent get real to post my written vote in the appropriate CF thread.

Regards, boomerang

Ask DINOS (EK) too .... (I'm sure he would go with Paphitis too ) ... and where is Magnificent Magnus?

..... and Humanist! .... where are you?

[denizaksulu]

And one more thing Halil. The UN is talking to the President of Cyprus when the speak, not a community leader. There is a Cyprus and it is one and indivisible.

The Secretary-General welcomed reaffirmation by President Christofias of his commitment to finding a solution and his willingness to continue to work with the United Nations, including Special Adviser of the Secretary-General, Mr. Downer”.

The Secretary-General's, statement said, “further urged the expeditious implementation of confidence building measures. They also discussed collaboration between the United Nations and the Republic of Cyprus on global issues, including MDGs and climate change”.

They used to say that about the 'ATOM'. Look what happened?

[Paphitis]

I boomerang refuse to be silenced, and hereby excercise my democratic right to vote in the CF poll...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus19925.html

...via the "letsmoanaboutcyprus" online voting center and declare that my vote goes out to paphitis and hereby authorize my acting agent get real to post my written vote in the appropriate CF thread.

Regards, boomerang

This is not Paphitis but is his Campaign Manager from Paphitis Campaign Headquarters.

Paphitis is currently in high level meetings but was told of Boomerangs written vote and he has told me to sent a written response to Boomerang to thank him for his support.

Regards

Campaign Manager

[denizaksulu]

I boomerang refuse to be silenced, and hereby excercise my democratic right to vote in the CF poll...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus19925.html

...via the "letsmoanaboutcyprus" online voting center and declare that my vote goes out to paphitis and hereby authorize my acting agent get real to post my written vote in the appropriate CF thread.

Regards, boomerang

Another attempt at sabotaging a POLL.

GR, you will pick a losing side wont you?

[denizaksulu]

I boomerang refuse to be silenced, and hereby excercise my democratic right to vote in the CF poll...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus19925.html

...via the "letsmoanaboutcyprus" online voting center and declare that my vote goes out to paphitis and hereby authorize my acting agent get real to post my written vote in the appropriate CF thread.

Regards, boomerang

This is not Paphitis but is his Campaign Manager from Paphitis Campaign Headquarters.

Paphitis is currently in high level meetings but was told of Boomerangs written vote and he has told me to sent a written response to Boomerang to thank him for his support.

Regards

Campaign Manager

Vote rigging. Admin, help. Ooops, they are all the same people.