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Postby utu » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:31 pm

This article appeared in the 9/19 edition of the Middle East Times. It makes for interesting reading:

Israel's Challenge
By MARK SILVERBERGPublished: September 19, 2008
International peace activists in Gaza to protest against Israel's siege, August 23. MaanImages/Wissam Nassar.

I was asked recently to explain why Israel was "ghettoizing" the Palestinians by constructing a security barrier in areas that have served as transit points for terrorists entering the country. The questioner noted that, as a Jew, I should be more sensitive to the concept of a ghetto, and its dehumanizing effects on human beings. I responded that the security barrier was neither built for reasons of discrimination nor motivated by racism, but as a deterrent to protect the lives of Israelis from Palestinian suicide bombers; and in fact it has, to a great extent, accomplished its purpose.
But the suggestion that Israel may have had racist motivations in constructing the barrier disturbed me, because it seems to be a recurring theme among major international bodies. I asked the questioner why she had decided to sort Israel out for "special treatment." After all, the security barrier that Israel has constructed to keep Palestinian suicide bombers out of its country is not unlike the security barrier constructed by the Saudis to keep the Yemeni jihadists out of their country; or the one that India has constructed along its borders with Pakistan, Kashmir and Bangladesh for the same reason; or the one that the Thais have constructed to keep the Malaysian jihadists out of their country, or the one that the U.S. is constructing to keep Mexican illegals out; although I couldn't recall the last time a Mexican self-detonated in Albuquerque, or fired missiles into Dallas or Houston.

What is disturbing here is that this anti-Israel parody goes far beyond the barrier issue. It represents a callous disregard for fundamental justice and perhaps even anti-Semitism cloaked as righteous indignation.

With the start of Ramadan (the Islamic month of fasting) in early September, for example, Israeli forces manning West Bank checkpoints were instructed to avoid eating or smoking in front of Palestinians as a sign of respect, while the Palestinians continue to use the Tomb of Joseph as a garbage dump and have urinated next to the Torah scrolls in the Cave of the Patriarchs. Further, on any given day, Israeli prisons are hosting Red Cross representatives, journalists, lawyers, prisoners' advocates, as well as family members of convicted Palestinian prisoners, while Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier kidnapped by Hamas on Israeli soil, is being held in isolation and denied any and all visitation rights from lawyers, family and even the International Red Cross - in violation of his human rights and international law. So, where is the international outcry for Shalit?

And there's more. Israel is constantly confronted with the demand that it must return Gaza and the West Bank to the Palestinians and the Golan Heights to Syria -- areas seized during the 1967 Six-Day War. Why, then, do we never hear that same argument being raised against other nations? After World War II, Poland annexed 10 percent of historic Germany (East Prussia); Morocco controls the Western Sahara; Armenia has controlled 15 percent of neighboring Azerbaijan since 1994; Turkey has controlled half of Cyprus since its 1974 invasion; Russia has controlled the Kurile Islands off northern Japan for 63 years; and China has occupied Tibet since 1950. So, where is the international outcry demanding that these countries return lands they seized in war? Why is it that only Israel's control over the West Bank merits international censure?

Then there's the demand that the Palestinians be allowed a "right of return" to Israel proper, or at least fair compensation for having been displaced as a result of Israel's War of Independence in 1948. Why are similar demands not being made of the Syrians, the Iranians, the Iraqis and the Egyptians, who displaced (or more specifically expelled) 750,000 Jews from their countries in 1948?

I don't recall any demands being made of any nation for compensation or allowing a right of return to any refugees displaced after any wars in modern times -- except of course for those being made of Israel.

Czechoslovakia expelled its Sudetenland Germans from their homes after World War II; the Poles expelled millions of Germans from East Prussia and absorbed that territory into Poland in 1945; thousands of Turkish Cypriots were displaced by Greek military forces in the 1960s and early '70s, while Turkish forces displaced thousands of Greek Cypriots from Northern Cyprus after their 1974 war; 450,000 ethnic Chinese were expelled from Vietnam between 1978-1979; the Bangladeshis expelled over three million Hindus in 1974; 250,000 Georgians were displaced from Abkhazia between 1993 and 1998, not to mention more than 500,000 ethnic Russians in Chechnya who were displaced during the First Chechen War in 1994-1996; and more than 800,000 Kosovar Albanians who were expelled from Kosovo during the Kosovo War in 1998-1999. Somehow, I must have missed offers of a right of return or any compensation package being offered to these millions upon millions of persons displaced by wars -- except in the case of Israel.

And then there's the issue relating to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians in Gaza. Lauren Booth, sister-in-law of former British premier Tony Blair, entered Gaza aboard a protest boat on August 23 and described Gaza as "the largest concentration camp in the world today" and a "humanitarian crisis on the scale of Darfur." Booth was later photographed at a seemingly well-stocked grocery store in the so-called "concentration camp." So, let's consider how these Israeli "monsters" have really behaved.

Hamas has declared its intention to destroy Israel and murder every Jew residing there, and has fired over 7,000 missiles at southern Israel. In return, Israel is providing 70 percent of Gaza's electrical power and, each week sends tons of food, fuel and humanitarian aid to an enemy whose entire rationale for existence is the extermination or subjugation of every Jew in Israel. During World War II, the Allies firebombed Dresden, obliterated German cities, and dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Israel feeds its enemies!

And finally, Israel has been condemned by world leaders (like Archbishop Desmond Tutu) for retaliating against Hamas and Hezbollah for their missile attacks on Israel's southern and northern civilian populations because, it is said, Israel is (and this is a direct quote from Human Rights Watch) "endangering non-combatants, using disproportionate force and committing crimes against humanity." If Israel fired missiles into Gaza City, Sidon or Tyre, the world would be enraged, the U.N. Security Council would be called into special session, Condoleezza Rice would be threatening Jerusalem -- again -- and the media would be having a field day. So why is it that when the Palestinians and the Lebanese fire missiles at Israeli civilians -- as their primary target -- it is barely mentioned in the media, but when Israel retaliates against those missile sites in targeted bombings, it's considered "disproportionate force;" all of which leads to the real issue lurking behind the scenes here -- our enemies' tactical use of human shields.

Why is criticism never leveled at Hamas or Hezbollah, who regularly use children as human shields to protect their leaders and their weapons? In all the condemnation being heaped on Israel by the media for its retaliatory strikes in Gaza and in Lebanon during the Second Lebanon War (and indeed any future conflict), no one ever asks: "How can any democratic nation expect to win a war without 'endangering civilians,' especially when the enemy uses human shields as a tactical weapon to insulate itself from military strikes?" Are we not handing our enemies an enormous tactical advantage? How can any democratic nation ever hope to win a future war against enemies that use human shields if it is condemned for "endangering civilians?"

Until there is universal condemnation of these tactics and recognition of the discriminatory double standards applied to Israel, claims by self-righteous international organizations such as Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, the U.N. General Assembly, the European Union and the International Court of Justice are more than meaningless. They are offensive and deceitful.

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Mark Silverberg is a foreign policy analyst with the Ariel Center for Policy Research (Israel), a contributing editor with Family Security Matters and the New Media Journal and a member of Hadassah's National Academic Advisory Board. His book: "The Quartermasters of Terror - Saudi Arabia and the Global Islamic Jihad" was published in 2005 by Wyndham Hall Press and his articles have been archived under http://www.marksilverberg.com/


Do you think that Mr. Silverberg's use of the Cyprus Problem in this article is a fair comparison?
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Postby Paphitis » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:33 pm

The only thing that we should compare to Israel is our defence expenditure as a percentage of GDP!!
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Postby umit07 » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:36 pm

Paphitis wrote:The only thing that we should compare to Israel is our defence expenditure as a percentage of GDP!!


Really? :lol:
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Postby Cem » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:37 pm

Paphitis is right when he says that "the only thing we should compare is to Israel is our defence expenditure"....

Because, other than this, Israel stands way ahead, out by a mile compared to Greece, Turkey, Cyprus even E.U all combined in terms of their people's (jews) contribution to humanity and civilization..

Surrounded by 22 hostile Arab/Islamic dictatorships with 640 times her size, 60 times her population and ALL the oil, this is an tiny country with only about 8,000 sq. miles, 2½ times the size of Rhode Island and only slightly larger than the Canary Islands!.

And such a country is always under constant terrorist attack, both by its neighbours and by Euro-Jerks..

And what kind of people of they are dealing with ? The kind that uses their own babies as living human bombs by wrapping them with explosives..

The kind that detonates civilians buses, killing school children..

The kind that does not give a damn about the basic premises of fighting fair..

The kind that exhibits beheaded people and videotape this..

Cyprus problem and Arab -Israeli conflict are different issues as the latter one has proven to be much violent and deadly and not likely to be solved in a foreseeable future.

It is a pity that Greece and RoC have both been hostile to Israel and supported Arabs instead just for the sake of "justice and fairness" or "following the general trend".

Do you know there are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 182 Nobel Prizes.

The Muslims number 1.4 Billion (with a very big "B")... or 117 times the number of Jews!

Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 24,920 Nobel Laureates.

They have ONLY NINE! and one of them [Arafat] is a murderer.

Unless the Swedes and Norwegians start awarding Nobel Prizes for plane hijackings, pizza shop bombings, civilian bus attacks, Jihad suicides/homicides, drive-by shootings, throat-slittings, embassy attacks and other such acts of barbarisms, the embarrassing low level of contribution to the welfare of Civilization and Mankind by the [Arab] Muslim world will continue...

The Jewish People, meanwhile, will continue being the Lights Unto All Nations.

I am not jewish, but I say "SHALOM" to you, ISRAEL.
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Postby Medman » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:21 pm

Shalom to everyone. I bet you all wish you had the Jews political influence over the world. They control America and vast co-operations worldwide. If Israel was involved in the Cyprus issue, you know it would've been sorted by now. On the other hand if wasn't for Israel, the Arabs would be on Turkey's back. However Turkey and Israel have a decent relationship which pissess off most countries and the Jews are investing North Cyprus. Politics and morals don't come in to it when there's a money to be made!
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Postby miltiades » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:10 pm

Cem wrote:Paphitis is right when he says that "the only thing we should compare is to Israel is our defence expenditure"....

Because, other than this, Israel stands way ahead, out by a mile compared to Greece, Turkey, Cyprus even E.U all combined in terms of their people's (jews) contribution to humanity and civilization..

Surrounded by 22 hostile Arab/Islamic dictatorships with 640 times her size, 60 times her population and ALL the oil, this is an tiny country with only about 8,000 sq. miles, 2½ times the size of Rhode Island and only slightly larger than the Canary Islands!.

And such a country is always under constant terrorist attack, both by its neighbours and by Euro-Jerks..

And what kind of people of they are dealing with ? The kind that uses their own babies as living human bombs by wrapping them with explosives..

The kind that detonates civilians buses, killing school children..

The kind that does not give a damn about the basic premises of fighting fair..

The kind that exhibits beheaded people and videotape this..

Cyprus problem and Arab -Israeli conflict are different issues as the latter one has proven to be much violent and deadly and not likely to be solved in a foreseeable future.

It is a pity that Greece and RoC have both been hostile to Israel and supported Arabs instead just for the sake of "justice and fairness" or "following the general trend".

Do you know there are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 182 Nobel Prizes.

The Muslims number 1.4 Billion (with a very big "B")... or 117 times the number of Jews!

Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 24,920 Nobel Laureates.

They have ONLY NINE! and one of them [Arafat] is a murderer.

Unless the Swedes and Norwegians start awarding Nobel Prizes for plane hijackings, pizza shop bombings, civilian bus attacks, Jihad suicides/homicides, drive-by shootings, throat-slittings, embassy attacks and other such acts of barbarisms, the embarrassing low level of contribution to the welfare of Civilization and Mankind by the [Arab] Muslim world will continue...

The Jewish People, meanwhile, will continue being the Lights Unto All Nations.

I am not jewish, but I say "SHALOM" to you, ISRAEL.

The more you post the more my respect grows for you , in a way I'm proud to have compatriots with such high levels of intelligence and wisdom.
You may be surprised to know that I have posted similar to you in the past , not as eloquently written as yours , posts on the subject you touched. I was met with sarcasm , insults and screams accusing me of ignorance.
Long may you continue to post such brilliant and wise posts.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:24 pm

Miltiades ... I would have warmed to Cem but for your attachment to him ...

Something is afooot! :shock:

Cem is about to reveal his manifesto :D

No two groups of people could be compared as easily as Cem is making out.

The Turks are bad and in the wrong, and the GCs are the good and in the right, and Cem is trying to muddy the waters to please the Turks ...
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Postby miltiades » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:35 pm

Oracle wrote:Miltiades ... I would have warmed to Cem but for your attachment to him ...

Something is afooot! :shock:

Cem is about to reveal his manifesto :D

No two groups of people could be compared as easily as Cem is making out.

The Turks are bad and in the wrong, and the GCs are the good and in the right, and Cem is trying to muddy the waters to please the Turks ...

CEM'S wisdom is 24 carat gold , yours ? About as much as that of a suicide bomber screaming Allah Oahbar as he detonates himself on a school bus carrying children !!!
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:38 pm

miltiades wrote:
Oracle wrote:Miltiades ... I would have warmed to Cem but for your attachment to him ...

Something is afooot! :shock:

Cem is about to reveal his manifesto :D

No two groups of people could be compared as easily as Cem is making out.

The Turks are bad and in the wrong, and the GCs are the good and in the right, and Cem is trying to muddy the waters to please the Turks ...

CEM'S wisdom is 24 carat gold , yours ? About as much as that of a suicide bomber screaming Allah Oahbar as he detonates himself on a school bus carrying children !!!



Milty .... you are beyond help! The Turks are having a field day with you :roll:

Wake up!
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:51 pm

Cem wrote:Paphitis is right when he says that "the only thing we should compare is to Israel is our defence expenditure"....

Because, other than this, Israel stands way ahead, out by a mile compared to Greece, Turkey, Cyprus even E.U all combined in terms of their people's (jews) contribution to humanity and civilization..

Surrounded by 22 hostile Arab/Islamic dictatorships with 640 times her size, 60 times her population and ALL the oil, this is an tiny country with only about 8,000 sq. miles, 2½ times the size of Rhode Island and only slightly larger than the Canary Islands!.

And such a country is always under constant terrorist attack, both by its neighbours and by Euro-Jerks..

And what kind of people of they are dealing with ? The kind that uses their own babies as living human bombs by wrapping them with explosives..

The kind that detonates civilians buses, killing school children..

The kind that does not give a damn about the basic premises of fighting fair..

The kind that exhibits beheaded people and videotape this..

Cyprus problem and Arab -Israeli conflict are different issues as the latter one has proven to be much violent and deadly and not likely to be solved in a foreseeable future.

It is a pity that Greece and RoC have both been hostile to Israel and supported Arabs instead just for the sake of "justice and fairness" or "following the general trend".

Do you know there are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 182 Nobel Prizes.

The Muslims number 1.4 Billion (with a very big "B")... or 117 times the number of Jews!

Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 24,920 Nobel Laureates.

They have ONLY NINE! and one of them [Arafat] is a murderer.

Unless the Swedes and Norwegians start awarding Nobel Prizes for plane hijackings, pizza shop bombings, civilian bus attacks, Jihad suicides/homicides, drive-by shootings, throat-slittings, embassy attacks and other such acts of barbarisms, the embarrassing low level of contribution to the welfare of Civilization and Mankind by the [Arab] Muslim world will continue...

The Jewish People, meanwhile, will continue being the Lights Unto All Nations.

I am not jewish, but I say "SHALOM" to you, ISRAEL.

Did you eat fasolia for breakfast, lunch, and dinner today?
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