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[Paphitis]

It is high time that Cyprus seek closer ties with the nation of Isreal. We can do this by taking a good look at Isreali Defence expenditure and comparing it to ours, increasing our defence expenditure and purchase Israeli Defence Systems.

Paphitis has now undertaken the task of fostering improved relations between Cyprus and Israel, by developing a shopping list for Cyprus.

Paphitis shopping list is as follows:

1) Arrow Anti Ballistic Missiles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_missile

2) Gabriel Anti Ship Missiles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_missile

3) Lora Ballistic Missiles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORA

4) Jericho Medium Range Ballistic Missiles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_missile

5) Nimda APCs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimda_Shoet

6) Nagmachon APCs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagmachon

7) Achzarit APCs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDF_Achzarit

Additional Elbit Hermes 140 UAVs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbit_Hermes_450

I hope the above purchases bring our 2 nations closer together as well as allowing Cyprus to invest in new technologies and systems which will allow us the Strategic Defence capability that we are going to need.

The Cyprus Government can now send me my $10,000 consultancy fee by cheque. Terms are 14 days net.

[Cem]

It is high time that Cyprus seek closer ties with the nation of Isreal. We can do this by taking a good look at Isreali Defence expenditure and comparing it to ours.

Paphitis has now undertaken the task of fostering improved relations between Cyprus and Israel, by developing a shopping list for Cyprus.

Paphitis shopping list is as follows:

1) Arrow Anti Ballistic Missiles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_missile

2) Gabriel Anti Ship Missiles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_missile

3) Lora Ballistic Missiles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORA

4) Jericho Medium Range Ballistic Missiles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_missile

5) Nimda APCs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimda_Shoet

6) Nagmachon APCs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagmachon

7) Achzarit APCs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDF_Achzarit

Additional Elbit Hermes 140 UAVs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbit_Hermes_450

I hope the above purchases bring our 2 nations closer together as well as allowing Cyprus to invest in new technologies and systems which will allow us the Strategic Defence capability that we are going to need.

I am afraid first come, first served rule applies here, Paphidis.

As you can see below, if you had studied each link in detail, you would have seen the following paragraph:
(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_missile)

Talks regarding the sale of Israeli Ofeq satellites along with the Arrow air-defence systems to the country of Turkey have taken place, a sale pending American approval. The systems would be a generational leap for the Turkish military and intelligence capabilities, which are concerned about Iran's nuclear program.[7]

At the end of the article, in the references section there is another link:
http://www.meforum.org/article/504.

And that one:
http://www.meforum.org/article/394.
Here is an excerpt from the article for your eyes only (as in Bond movie):

Israeli-Turkish military cooperation touches upon many domains: air, sea, land (both infantry and armor), intelligence, and the manufacturing of aircraft, armaments, and missiles. It is close, institutionalized, and structured, involving steering committees, regular meetings, and strategic dialogues. It includes a hierarchy of deliberations that reaches up to defence ministers and even higher. Cooperation involves financial dealings in the hundreds of millions of dollars, if not more

Now Paphitis, are you suggesting that RoC should knock on Tel-Aviv's door and say that she is ready to buy Israeli Goodies whose link you provided above ??

And without such an arms deal proposal being scrutinized by world's most sophisticated and top-notch intelligence officials, such as the legendary MOSSAD ??

And their missing the motives behind such a proposal in the million'th of seconds ??

As I said in my post in another thread, I am afraid you are being a little too much of a romantic, my dear Paphitis.

Still, by conserving my respect for you and my commitment to stay impartial to your dispute with Miltiadis, may I offer a humble advice to you??

Feel free to challenge Turkey, however as long as Turkey plays a vital role in the Israeli agenda don't ever expect them to tilt the balance of power in favor of either RoC or Greece or any other country in the world.

In short, don't phuck with Jews and never underestimate their intelligence (to be taken in both senses) .

A wise soul, albeit a non-jew (goyim) has spoken, Ugh !

[miltiades]

But my dear CEM , Turkey and Israel are no match for our two Rambos and not forgetting our Superwoman , we can take both on with our eyes ....shut !!
Done it again I'm afraid , calls of traitor , traitor are on the way .

[Paphitis]

Now Paphitis, are you suggesting that RoC should knock on Tel-Aviv's door and say that she is ready to buy Israeli Goodies whose link you provided above ??

No, I am just suggesting that Cyprus buys more Israeli systems for our Air Defence.

In case you have not noticed, we have already purchased Israeli goodies, and these did not require American approval. If American approval was required then we would not be able to purchase Israeli technology.

We have already purchased Israeli UAVs and Shaldag Patrol Boats:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbit_Hermes_450

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaldag_cl ... atrol_boat

And without such an arms deal proposal being scrutinized by world's sophisticated and top-notch intelligence officials, such as the legendary MOSSAD ??

MOSSAD can scrutinise all they like, I am sure they already do. And we should be afraid of what exactly?

Feel free to challenge Turkey, however as long as Turkey plays a vital role in the Israeli agenda don't ever expect them to tilt the balance of power in favor of either RoC or Greece or any other country in the world.

What balance of power are you talking about and in which context?

As I said in my post in another thread, I am afraid you are being a little too much of a romantic, my dear Paphitis.

Now seriously Cem. You seem like an intelligent fella. Your views are mostly balanced, except for those expressed about Israel.

Miltiades on the other hand has a very basic view of world politics. He sees things in "black or White" and I am observing you on your stance. So far I am assuming that you are much more intelligent than what he is and as such would take his comments with a pinch of salt.

My aim on this forum is to promote the EU Acquis being implemented over all Cyprus and that each citizen has equal democratic rights in a strong unitary state or Federation. If any BBF solution deviates from this (strong Central governance), then I will do everything to derail it.

Now, I call on you to make your position known.

[Oracle]

Is Cem such a fanatical Kemalist that he has now decided to brainwash himself into believing the Jews are the super-race because his idol hailed from them ...



... what a roundabout way to associate Turkey with the great minds!

[Cem]

I don't understand why people in this forum insists on seeing Israel as nothing but a war machine with unique mission to sell nothing but deadly weapons to whoever buys them while completely ignoring the contributions of its people to humanity and civilization.
Whereas France and Britain themselves and being part of the EU have also a nasty record of weaponry dealing .
I cannot speak on behalf of Israelis of course, however you misunderstood my statement as if I was saying Israel would turn down RoC in any arms deal. She might well go along with selling some military equipment.

However, as she has ambitions over Turkey as strategic partner, she would refrain from taking sides in favor of either Turkey and countries in dispute with her, by not allowing either sides to have competitive edge in military power. Meaning that she must have already judged that the equipment you stated above would be exclusively for defensive purposes and/or simply constituted no threat against Turkey.That is what I am saying.
Let us not forget that a country in dispute with Turkey (RoC) is already EU member.
EU states might see no harm in selling weaponry to RoC, but there is nothing compelling for Israelis to behave in a similar way.
At the end of day, I don't see the motive behind having all these weaponry at a time when talks between GCs, TCs, Turkey and EU have started.
Do you think these would serve as a deterrent to Turkey as an occupying power or...
a deterrent to the continuation of peace negotiations ?
As for the EU acquis, it can be in effect in all over Cyprus provided a preparation deadline for the North such as 10-15 years if it is mutually pre-agreed.
Acquiring weaponry as a means to precipitate the talks and speed up a potential solution is surely not a proper way for it might have some unexpected consequences and may attract other states into the dispute.

[Cem]

Is Cem such a fanatical Kemalist that he has now decided to brainwash himself into believing the Jews are the super-race because his idol hailed from them ...



... what a roundabout way to associate Turkey with the great minds!

Will try to access the above link, as for the moment cannot from my location.

You might be world' s greatest living scientist (!) , however as far as social sciences such as politics & international relations & history are concerned, you are simply deplorable.

At this moment all Kemalists are very much pissed with Israelis even view the ruling party (AKP) as the outcome of Jewish conspiracy.

Please click on the link below and have the contents translated for you by a turcophone (Tim for example) instead of braying like the way the you usually do and like the only true Cypriot symbol might do.

http://kitap.antoloji.com/musa-nin-cocu ... ne-kitabi/

And have look at another one:

http://www.otuken.net.

And BTW who is my idol and what makes you think that I am Kemalist ?

[Oracle]

Is Cem such a fanatical Kemalist that he has now decided to brainwash himself into believing the Jews are the super-race because his idol hailed from them ...



... what a roundabout way to associate Turkey with the great minds!

Will try to access the above link, as for the moment cannot from my location.

You might be world' s greatest living scientist (!) , however as far as social sciences such as politics & international relations & history are concerned, you are simply deplorable.

At this moment all Kemalists are very much pissed with Israelis even view the ruling party (AKP) as the outcome of Jewish conspiracy.

Please click on the link below and have the contents translated for you by a turcophone (Tim for example) instead of braying like the way the you usually do and like the only true Cypriot symbol might do.

http://kitap.antoloji.com/musa-nin-cocu ... ne-kitabi/

And have look at another one:

http://www.otuken.net.

And BTW who is my idol and what makes you think that I am Kemalist ?

It doesn't take a scientist to know why you can't access that link .... ... but I do know why!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 483840.ece

.... so you live in Turkey, Cem

[miltiades]

Now Paphitis, are you suggesting that RoC should knock on Tel-Aviv's door and say that she is ready to buy Israeli Goodies whose link you provided above ??

No, I am just suggesting that Cyprus buys more Israeli systems for our Air Defence.

In case you have not noticed, we have already purchased Israeli goodies, and these did not require American approval. If American approval was required then we would not be able to purchase Israeli technology.

We have already purchased Israeli UAVs and Shaldag Patrol Boats:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbit_Hermes_450

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaldag_cl ... atrol_boat

And without such an arms deal proposal being scrutinized by world's sophisticated and top-notch intelligence officials, such as the legendary MOSSAD ??

MOSSAD can scrutinise all they like, I am sure they already do. And we should be afraid of what exactly?

Feel free to challenge Turkey, however as long as Turkey plays a vital role in the Israeli agenda don't ever expect them to tilt the balance of power in favor of either RoC or Greece or any other country in the world.

What balance of power are you talking about and in which context?

As I said in my post in another thread, I am afraid you are being a little too much of a romantic, my dear Paphitis.

Now seriously Cem. You seem like an intelligent fella. Your views are mostly balanced, except for those expressed about Israel.

Miltiades on the other hand has a very basic view of world politics. He sees things in "black or White" and I am observing you on your stance. So far I am assuming that you are much more intelligent than what he is and as such would take his comments with a pinch of salt.

My aim on this forum is to promote the EU Acquis being implemented over all Cyprus and that each citizen has equal democratic rights in a strong unitary state or Federation. If any BBF solution deviates from this (strong Central governance), then I will do everything to derail it.

Now, I call on you to make your position known.

YOU WILL DO EVERY THING TO DERAIL IT !!!!
What a pompous asshole , foreign born too , but will do all in his power to derail any BBF solution , because HIS AIM on this forum , note here please , HIS AIM , on this forum is to oversea and sanction any developments. You are taking your Rambo role too seriously mate and where Cem is far too polite to call a spade a spade I'm not . Your ideas on the Cyprus problem are not only diabolical they are stupid , stay where you were born mate you are a bloody liability to the Cyprus cause.

[Cem]

Is Cem such a fanatical Kemalist that he has now decided to brainwash himself into believing the Jews are the super-race because his idol hailed from them ...



... what a roundabout way to associate Turkey with the great minds!

Will try to access the above link, as for the moment cannot from my location.

You might be world' s greatest living scientist (!) , however as far as social sciences such as politics & international relations & history are concerned, you are simply deplorable.

At this moment all Kemalists are very much pissed with Israelis even view the ruling party (AKP) as the outcome of Jewish conspiracy.

Please click on the link below and have the contents translated for you by a turcophone (Tim for example) instead of braying like the way the you usually do and like the only true Cypriot symbol might do.

http://kitap.antoloji.com/musa-nin-cocu ... ne-kitabi/

And have look at another one:

http://www.otuken.net.

And BTW who is my idol and what makes you think that I am Kemalist ?

It doesn't take a scientist to know why you can't access that link .... ... but I do know why!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 483840.ece

.... so you live in Turkey, Cem

On one hand, there are ardent Kemalists accusing the ruling mild islamist AKP leader of being of Jewish descent, on the other hand, there is this crap posted in the youtube by a greek extremist moron in response to equally stupid turkish extremists trying to insult greeks by depicting them as a Gay nation.

And you quote this shit here to prove what ?? That M.Kemal was indeed a Gay ? Even if he were a gay (not a glitter of evidence), so what ?

That he was a Jew or "Donme", a convert from judaism, as also claimed by muslim fanatics as well?

If this were true, this would do nothing more than providing ample evidence that Jews must be extraordinarily gifted people, if not a super-human race.

Imagine a single Jew who manage to become such an idol in a 99% muslim state over 80 years, that his statues are still worshiped in many places in turkey.

Oracle, instead of spitting your usual crap, would you please care to look at the following website and try to rate the scientists in your field of specialization ? How they fare for example, against "gentile" scientists in your area?

http://www.jinfo.org

is a website depicting the Jewish contribution to world civilization.

Reality hurts sometimes, so bigots rave as a last resort.