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Postby mehmet » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:35 pm

I will answer this and your post after this here mehmet if thats ok.


Tpap has gone nowhere. He is still pulling the strings. I have no doubt in my mind about that. You obviously think different and I respect that.

I accept the idea of working together to form a single entity working together but the reality is something quite different and far from being anywhere near where we are today. As I have said a long time ago, when I see an honest trend in that direction, it will have my full support. I am done with dreaming and practicality is what is going to win the day. Nothing to do with nationalism or hate but practicality. So...It is not a matter of either or but of choosing what is best given the conditions.


Besides...have you seen what is now happening in SA???? The story of that country is not as it seems either...I have been there in the last three years and have seen the Millions....Yes...Millions of blacks that are still living in appalling conditions. They are the secret and slow failure of SA. I don't want that for my people.


Supporting the status quo is supporting nationalist ideology, there's no dressing it up by referring to it as practicality. Is it also practicality to assasinate, jail and harass opponents of this ideology in order to maintain the pretence that the govenrment has 99.9% support for its actions? The 1974 intervention could have achieved noble aims but it has long ceased to have any morality I would want to be associated with. Would you honestly want to bring your children up in such a climate?

Now lets turn to South Africa, the existence of millions of black citizens in a state of poverty was evident during apartite, it has not been created since ANC came to power. If you want to know why things are bad there you also have to ask the same question about many other countries (and not just in Africa). The ANC has traded its principles for power, that was the bargain they made with the West and the white South Africans. Trickle down econoics is bullshit, it don't work. Yes you might have a few black citizens driving around in Mercedes and living in homes with swimming pools, but that's no different to any other ruling class in any other nation. At the risk of giving a Marxist lecture I won't keep on but I will simply state that capatalism can only ever result in an unsatisfactory economic situation for the majority of the population whilst a minority control most of the worlds resources. It's not the ethnicity of the rulers that's going to change that situatiion.
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Postby zan » Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:05 pm

mehmet wrote:
I will answer this and your post after this here mehmet if thats ok.


Tpap has gone nowhere. He is still pulling the strings. I have no doubt in my mind about that. You obviously think different and I respect that.

I accept the idea of working together to form a single entity working together but the reality is something quite different and far from being anywhere near where we are today. As I have said a long time ago, when I see an honest trend in that direction, it will have my full support. I am done with dreaming and practicality is what is going to win the day. Nothing to do with nationalism or hate but practicality. So...It is not a matter of either or but of choosing what is best given the conditions.


Besides...have you seen what is now happening in SA???? The story of that country is not as it seems either...I have been there in the last three years and have seen the Millions....Yes...Millions of blacks that are still living in appalling conditions. They are the secret and slow failure of SA. I don't want that for my people.


Supporting the status quo is supporting nationalist ideology, there's no dressing it up by referring to it as practicality. Is it also practicality to assasinate, jail and harass opponents of this ideology in order to maintain the pretence that the govenrment has 99.9% support for its actions? The 1974 intervention could have achieved noble aims but it has long ceased to have any morality I would want to be associated with. Would you honestly want to bring your children up in such a climate?

Now lets turn to South Africa, the existence of millions of black citizens in a state of poverty was evident during apartite, it has not been created since ANC came to power. If you want to know why things are bad there you also have to ask the same question about many other countries (and not just in Africa). The ANC has traded its principles for power, that was the bargain they made with the West and the white South Africans. Trickle down econoics is bullshit, it don't work. Yes you might have a few black citizens driving around in Mercedes and living in homes with swimming pools, but that's no different to any other ruling class in any other nation. At the risk of giving a Marxist lecture I won't keep on but I will simply state that capatalism can only ever result in an unsatisfactory economic situation for the majority of the population whilst a minority control most of the worlds resources. It's not the ethnicity of the rulers that's going to change that situatiion.



Absolutely mehmet...And that is exactly why we should not leave anything to chance or a single entity as the "RoC" is now.
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