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[Bananiot]

I will spell it out for you Copperline, even though I am sure you get their drift perfectly well. This school of thought does not want to share this country with their Turkish Cypriot compatriots. They never did. Under more favourable circumstances for us they would not even agree to TC's running their own municipal matters. They would not even give their consent to build a road to connect two TC villages, because it would be a "waste of money". Their rhetoric is now lined with patriotic and democratic jargon because they want to appeal to the GC's as the part that wants what is best for Cyprus. Of course, what they want can only be achieved through a succesful war campagn and some silly sods have already started beating thier war drums.

Their cassandric forecasts on the outcome of this round of talks simply reflects their wishful thinking.

[umit07]

So how are things actually going, has there been any progress on anything at all?

[Bananiot]

There has been an embargo on talking and evaluating etc and this is a good thing, because, as mentioned previously we have the wishful thinkers who are already going about their business of spreading the word that the talks are doomed, but if they succeed, you can be sure they will not be pleasantly surprised.

[DT.]

I will spell it out for you Copperline, even though I am sure you get their drift perfectly well. This school of thought does not want to share this country with their Turkish Cypriot compatriots. They never did. Under more favourable circumstances for us they would not even agree to TC's running their own municipal matters. They would not even give their consent to build a road to connect two TC villages, because it would be a "waste of money". Their rhetoric is now lined with patriotic and democratic jargon because they want to appeal to the GC's as the part that wants what is best for Cyprus. Of course, what they want can only be achieved through a succesful war campagn and some silly sods have already started beating thier war drums.

Their cassandric forecasts on the outcome of this round of talks simply reflects their wishful thinking.

Right class. 3 things you need to pay special attention to here.
1) The grouping characterisation. Bananiot is now using the 'This school of thought" to group anyone not agreeing with an all out surrender to the Turkish Generals demands of 2 states. The phrase school of thought is to stop him from using a stronger phrase which will land him in trouble later on.
2) Please notice the subtle inclusion of a Tasos Papadopoulos quote (the 2 villages road saga of Rolandis. A man who by Seder Levents own admission is now getting paid directly by the "trnc" foreign ministry to write columns for the bi-lingual paper dialogue.)
3) In the end he couldn't resist and goes on to label those questioning a full surrender as silly sods with war drums.

BTW its well worth observing the recent public confrontation between bananiot's idol Rolandis and the bravest journalist on this island Levent.

[CopperLine]

And for that you want us to sign over 30% of the island. You will be in total control of the north, whilst having veto powers in the Federal Parliament.

Paphitis,
There you go again.
I don't want you to sign over anything. You're putting words in my mouth.
I don't have control of the north. You're inventing this.
I do not have veto powers. You're making that up as well.

I have said nothing more than that negotiating is better for all parties than (a) fighting or (b) doing nothing for an other 34+ years.

[umit07]

There has been an embargo on talking and evaluating etc and this is a good thing, because, as mentioned previously we have the wishful thinkers who are already going about their business of spreading the word that the talks are doomed, but if they succeed, you can be sure they will not be pleasantly surprised.

There has always been blackouts on talks but that has never stopped any leaks.

[Get Real!]

What is in it for us?

By which I take you to mean GCs ("us"), though you do not know whether I'm also a GC and therefore one of your "us".

That aside, what is in it for GCs, is that through negotiations - not wishful thinking, not juvenile militarist machismo - with either T or TRNC, the impasse of 34 years could be broken. Either the return 'home', restitution, or the agreement of compensation could be negotiated. The island could be reunified. There's a lot in it for "us".

But this has to be negotiated. Either 'side' will not get all that it wants. Either side might have to give up, in whole or part, something it once held precious. That's the nature of negotiated settlements. If these current negotiations fail or otherwise come to nothing, what's in it for "us", is another generation of division, trauma, and dispossession. It's not rocket science.

[Paphitis]

I will spell it out for you Copperline, even though I am sure you get their drift perfectly well. This school of thought does not want to share this country with their Turkish Cypriot compatriots. They never did. Under more favourable circumstances for us they would not even agree to TC's running their own municipal matters. They would not even give their consent to build a road to connect two TC villages, because it would be a "waste of money". Their rhetoric is now lined with patriotic and democratic jargon because they want to appeal to the GC's as the part that wants what is best for Cyprus. Of course, what they want can only be achieved through a succesful war campagn and some silly sods have already started beating thier war drums.

Their cassandric forecasts on the outcome of this round of talks simply reflects their wishful thinking.

Right class. 3 things you need to pay special attention to here.
1) The grouping characterisation. Bananiot is now using the 'This school of thought" to group anyone not agreeing with an all out surrender to the Turkish Generals demands of 2 states. The phrase school of thought is to stop him from using a stronger phrase which will land him in trouble later on.
2) Please notice the subtle inclusion of a Tasos Papadopoulos quote (the 2 villages road saga of Rolandis. A man who by Seder Levents own admission is now getting paid directly by the "trnc" foreign ministry to write columns for the bi-lingual paper dialogue.)
3) In the end he couldn't resists and goes on to label those questioning a full surrender as silly sods with war drums.

BTW its well worth observing the recent public confotntation between bananiot's idol Rolandis and the bravest journalist on this island Levent.

Bananiot's ramblings are very predictable and off course he would like to think that we all are fanatical nationalists and rejectionists. He should consider that we also would like to see a good outcome. I for example wish to one day retire in Cyprus, and do not wish any state of affairs being introduced which can potentially jeopardise our very existence in Cyprus.

And that road analogy he has used a number of times as you say, particularly when Tassos was in power. He is very predictable. Like a broken record.

Unfortunately for him, we are the majority and he knows this. In fact, if there was an election today, Christofias would be out on his arse.

[CopperLine]

There has been an embargo on talking and evaluating etc and this is a good thing, because, as mentioned previously we have the wishful thinkers who are already going about their business of spreading the word that the talks are doomed, but if they succeed, you can be sure they will not be pleasantly surprised.

Indeed.

[umit07]

Unfortunately GC's being a numeric majority doesn't mean jack shit. Better get over it.