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[Paphitis]

I really feel for the poor TCs who will never know what it is like to be free and to share the wealth of the EU and all the opportunities that arise.

It really is a great shame.

At the end of the day Paphitis it also means we cant return to our homes. I have never been to famagusta which is real shame as I always wanted to see where my father grew up. Which for me is heart breaking.

Yes understand fully George. I sincerely hope that you are able to return to your home in Famagusta.

My wife is from Kythrea. I can see her pain and so I can relate to you.

[roseandchan]

truth is that all they want is the eu money. but don't want the rest of the things which go with it.

as an eu citizen living in the north, things get harder daily. the new rules that uni educated expats now cannot work here!
sometimes i feel sorry for them, but the truth is that they need to stand up to their goverment and be serious about what it is they want.
i know so many good tc's, i love where i live, and don't ever regret coming here.
but i do find it hard becoming a third class citizen. how can they ever have eu principles when the goverment is so racist?

[-mikkie2-]

Paphitis

What Turkey wants viz-a-viz Cyprus cannot happen.

The process currently underway is just as much a test of how European Turkey is prepared to be, as much as it is finding a solution to the Cyprus Problem.

Turkey can sound as confident as she likes. There can be NO exclusions from the EU acquis. The best that Turkey can hope for is a timeframe in which the acquis needs to be fully implemented. Turkey likes to think that it will always be one step ahead but quite frankly just sitting at the negotiating table and repeating the same stupid demands all the time will eventually piss off Turkeys supporters as well.

Provisions of any plan must adhere to the EU acquis eventually. Provisions in a plan that are against fundamental EU principles cannot become Primary Law of the EU. For example, not having full freedom of movement and settlement in Cypurs depending on your ethnicity cannot be put in as Primary Law because it will affect the whole of the EU.

If the Annan plan was agreed upon in 2004, I think that by now, many of its provisions would have been put under severe pressure in the EU courts. We would have a chaotic situation in Cyprus. That is why all these holes need to be sorted out before putting any new plan to a referendum.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Why would they stop un educated expats from working in he North. That makes no sence to me. Why would you stop educated people working.

Sound's a bit like the Saddam regime where all the educated people were rounded and put in prison.

[roseandchan]

they might be made to look stupid. i think they already did it for themselves by making such a rule.

[denizaksulu]

they might be made to look stupid. i think they already did it for themselves by making such a rule.

I think you ought to bale out fast.

[roseandchan]

i will probably be deported deniz. speaking out of turn again. they may be able to brain wash some people but i grew up in a democracy. my union flag has already caused a problem this week ,so hubby's name went in the policemans book again.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Rose are you from the UK then? Why have you chosen to live in the North?

[Kifeas]

Mikkie well said mate totally agree with you. This is the reason why the Annan plan was rejected. GC's were not allowed feedom of movement in their own country. I would accept a solution where TC's can adminster the North but all GC's being allowed to return if they wish. No limits nothing.

I'm affraid that will not happen though so me thinks no EU for TC's just continued isolation as they put it which is a shame. Both people can live together I know they can. Forget the past. Everyone knows what happened.

The problem we have though is people like Zan and Oracle just keep spouting the same old lines which doesnt help the current climate.

Don't get too excited, because the Turks do not have an objection in Greek Cypriots being allowed to return and settle back home in the north, a long as it is under their racially based exclusive administration. In other words, the Greek Cypriots may freely return and settle in the north, start business and invest money, but they will not have any political and cultural rights from within the place (state) of their residence. Such a right to vote for local (state) legislating and governing elections, according to their warped thesis, will only have to be reserved for anyone who speaks Turkish as his native language, including the settlers from Turkey. Any GCs returning north, will be regarded as "sheep for milking," i.e. invest money to boost the TC economy and pay taxes to the TC state, but no decision making (voting) rights. In other words, apartheid in Europe, in an EU member state, and formal eradication of any GC heritage rights, after thousands of years of existence in the north!

You in here speak about the EU aqui, but this is meaningless as long as our side decides to accept the Turkish claims and thesis. And I have to inform you that there are people among the GC negotiating team, like for example defeatist Toumazos Tsielepis, who are ready to accommodate the Turkish demands. Toumazos Tsielepis, in an article in “Politis” newspaper of last February, argued in favour of us accepting the status of “eterodomotes” (those permanently residing in one place but exercise their political rights in another place) so that we “alleviate” the “fears” of the TCs in "accepting" the GCs to return back to their territory from which they were illegally expelled.

[zan]

truth is that all they want is the eu money. but don't want the rest of the things which go with it.

as an eu citizen living in the north, things get harder daily. the new rules that uni educated expats now cannot work here!
sometimes i feel sorry for them, but the truth is that they need to stand up to their goverment and be serious about what it is they want.
i know so many good tc's, i love where i live, and don't ever regret coming here.
but i do find it hard becoming a third class citizen. how can they ever have eu principles when the goverment is so racist?

Hi Rose

Has anyone given you any reasons as to why these things are done???