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[miltiades]

According to VP , a recent poll carried out in the occupied parts showed that 76% of those polled Did trust the Turkish army , 24% Did not.
A quick analysis of these figures throws up some interesting thoughts.
One must presume that the poll was carried out at random , as polls normally do , and one must also presume that the poll was representative of all citizens . One can therefore safely and quite correctly assume that from those polled some 65% were settlers and Turkish army personnel and 35% of those polled were indigenous T/Cs.
Given the figure that 24% of the total poll Did not trust the Turkish army we can safely assume that the 24% was made up entirely of T/Cs therefore we can assume that from 1000 polled , 350 were indigenous T/Cs out of which number we can again assume that 240 , ie 24% , did not trust the Turkish army , turn this figure into a percentage and it shows that the overwhelming majority , 70% of indigenous T/Cs Do No Trust the Turkish army. VP posted the results of the poll , I simply based my calculations on the figures provided. If we allow a 10% margin of error the net result still shows that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs do not thrust the Turkish army , ie they want it , as per the graffiti writers , to sod off.

[zan]

According to VP , a recent poll carried out in the occupied parts showed that 76% of those polled Did trust the Turkish army , 24% Did not.
A quick analysis of these figures throws up some interesting thoughts.
One must presume that the poll was carried out at random , as polls normally do , and one must also presume that the poll was representative of all citizens . One can therefore safely and quite correctly assume that from those polled some 65% were settlers and Turkish army personnel and 35% of those polled were indigenous T/Cs.
Given the figure that 24% of the total poll Did not trust the Turkish army we can safely assume that the 24% was made up entirely of T/Cs therefore we can assume that from 1000 polled , 350 were indigenous T/Cs out of which number we can again assume that 240 , ie 24% , did not trust the Turkish army , turn this figure into a percentage and it shows that the overwhelming majority , 70% of indigenous T/Cs Do No Trust the Turkish army. VP posted the results of the poll , I simply based my calculations on the figures provided. If we allow a 10% margin of error the net result still shows that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs do not thrust the Turkish army , ie they want it , as per the graffiti writers , to sod off.

Why don't you just look at facts instead of pulling numbers out of the air...No matter who they were, and I don't agree with the numbers you quote, they are not moving into the "RoC"......Some may be moving away to other lands because of the insecurity of the economy, but not to the "RoC". You need to get your head out of the sand Miltiades. What matters is that 100% of TRNC residence were polled and even with the problems faced in the TRNC they are not rushing into the "RoC".

You seem to ignore the fact that if Embargoes were lifted and the TRNC allowed to function then the people would have less to worry about. BUT....Your siege mentality dominates your thoughts and you think we must sooner or later take the lesser of the two evils......We want a fair deal mate and noting else. Get it into your head.

[halil]

Miltiades my dear friend ,
i recommend to u ,when u come to Cyprus ,spend more times in North and mixed with TC people and get their own ideas from their own mouth.

To give you another idea have a look Annan plan results .
Try to check this TC's places to get the idea . these are almost 100 % TC populated places .Pls check the results and see .

places are :
Yeşilırmak (Limnidi) -Limnitis
Lefke _LEFKA
Akdeniz -Agia Eirini
Hisarköy - Kampyli
Beyarmudu-Pergamos
Beyköy
Boğazköy .(kyreania)
Cihangir (Abohor)
Çamlıköy-Chamlikeuy
Çınarlı -platini
Dağyolu-Fota
Doğancı -Elia
Ergazi -Ovgoros
Ayharida -Agios Chariton
Gaziveren-Kazivera
Göçeri -Pileri
Gönendere -knodara
Gonyeli
Görneç-Kornokipos
Hamitköy-Hamit mandres
İnönü -sinda
Kalavaç-Kalyvakia
Kaleburnu -Galinoporni
Kanlıköy-Kanli
Kömürcü-Komurcu
Mehmetcik -Galatia
Merç-Mora
Ortaköy-Ortakeuy
Pınarbaşı-Krini
Sütlüce-Psyllatos
Angalom
Yeniceköy

[denizaksulu]

Miltiades, I am a bit confused as to what you are getting at. One may trust the Turkish army, but still want them out. or vice versa. Not rust them but still want them in Cyprus.

What exactly do you mean by 'trust'. Could you please clear this up? I know you are great with figures (not human) but the word itself is a problem.

I can not wait until we discuss it over coffee as I am too busy these days.

Regards

DA

[zan]

Miltiades my dear friend ,
i recommend to u ,when u come to Cyprus ,spend more times in North and mixed with TC people and get their own ideas from their own mouth.

To give you another idea have a look Annan plan results .
Try to check this TC's places to get the idea . these are almost 100 % TC populated places .Pls check the results and see .

places are :
Yeşilırmak (Limnidi) -Limnitis
Lefke _LEFKA
Akdeniz -Agia Eirini
Hisarköy - Kampyli
Beyarmudu-Pergamos
Beyköy
Boğazköy .(kyreania)
Cihangir (Abohor)
Çamlıköy-Chamlikeuy
Çınarlı -platini
Dağyolu-Fota
Doğancı -Elia
Ergazi -Ovgoros
Ayharida -Agios Chariton
Gaziveren-Kazivera
Göçeri -Pileri
Gönendere -knodara
Gonyeli
Görneç-Kornokipos
Hamitköy-Hamit mandres
İnönü -sinda
Kalavaç-Kalyvakia
Kaleburnu -Galinoporni
Kanlıköy-Kanli
Kömürcü-Komurcu
Mehmetcik -Galatia
Merç-Mora
Ortaköy-Ortakeuy
Pınarbaşı-Krini
Sütlüce-Psyllatos
Angalom
Yeniceköy

Yes Halil..... searching for the exact location of my fathers land, I sat in the garden of a TC man whilst his grandchildren played and his wifes' friends sat drinking Turkish Coffee with the Turkish Army buildings only hundreds of meters from his house. The man has sold his business and homes in NOrth London and moved to the idilic village of Yesil Irmak. So much for being afraid of the Turkish Army.

[miltiades]

Miltiades, I am a bit confused as to what you are getting at. One may trust the Turkish army, but still want them out. or vice versa. Not rust them but still want them in Cyprus.

What exactly do you mean by 'trust'. Could you please clear this up? I know you are great with figures (not human) but the word itself is a problem.

I can not wait until we discuss it over coffee as I am too busy these days.

Regards

DA

Deniz , Im merely analysing the poll figures given by VP !!
His figures not mine !

[halil]

Miltiades my dear friend ,
i recommend to u ,when u come to Cyprus ,spend more times in North and mixed with TC people and get their own ideas from their own mouth.

To give you another idea have a look Annan plan results .
Try to check this TC's places to get the idea . these are almost 100 % TC populated places .Pls check the results and see .

places are :
Yeşilırmak (Limnidi) -Limnitis
Lefke _LEFKA
Akdeniz -Agia Eirini
Hisarköy - Kampyli
Beyarmudu-Pergamos
Beyköy
Boğazköy .(kyreania)
Cihangir (Abohor)
Çamlıköy-Chamlikeuy
Çınarlı -platini
Dağyolu-Fota
Doğancı -Elia
Ergazi -Ovgoros
Ayharida -Agios Chariton
Gaziveren-Kazivera
Göçeri -Pileri
Gönendere -knodara
Gonyeli
Görneç-Kornokipos
Hamitköy-Hamit mandres
İnönü -sinda
Kalavaç-Kalyvakia
Kaleburnu -Galinoporni
Kanlıköy-Kanli
Kömürcü-Komurcu
Mehmetcik -Galatia
Merç-Mora
Ortaköy-Ortakeuy
Pınarbaşı-Krini
Sütlüce-Psyllatos
Angalom
Yeniceköy

Yes Halil..... searching for the exact location of my fathers land, I sat in the garden of a TC man whilst his grandchildren played and his wifes' friends sat drinking Turkish Coffee with the Turkish Army buildings only hundreds of meters from his house. The man has sold his business and homes in NOrth London and moved to the idilic village of Yesil Irmak. So much for being afraid of the Turkish Army.

Zan ,
as far as my observation and searches shows more than 90 % of the TC's wants Turkish army to stay in Cyprus . From those villages election and referandum results I can say this one , not from the last polling results .
with polling u can talk and any TRNC citizen holders , it doesn't give you idea of the TC's but from above TC's populated villages u can figure out what TC's are thinking .
At my list only TC's lives in those places and they were TC's populated places before 74 and still they are.

[denizaksulu]

Thanks Milti. VP has some explaining to do. I will be happy by seeing this poll, in its original version, without the mis-translation of the word 'trust'. (or what is was meant to mean)

[miltiades]

HERE IS WHAT VP SAID AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE :

miltiades wrote:
There is indeed a time for war , but right now time is for peace . The Cypriot people will NEVER accept any negotiated agreement put on the table that offers Turkey a part of Cyprus on the plate and neither will the people of Cyprus will accept that the occupier has a right to intervene at its pleasure. This land is European land , Turkey is not , yet , a European nation , and the EU will not sit back and accept a situation whereby Turkey is in the driving seat as regards a member nation.
A couple of years back I posted that the only people that can force Turkey out of Cyprus are the T/Cs , now it is also the EU. We are witnessing right now the beginning of the end of the Turkish occupation of a part of Cyprus . We have heard from T/Cs stating clearly that they are proud T/Cs they do NOT want to become extinct in their own country . Our fight must remain a political one and it must be intensified but not at the expense of our T/C compatriots to whom we must reach out with olive brances not guns.
Our hospitals provide care for all that require it , let the people know that any T/C can demand and receive health care , let them claim it as their entitlement and let Turkey know that this nation of Cypriots is compassionate , caring , peace loving , decent folk but determined not to capitulate and accept the loss of their sovereignty.
I opposed the AP , I hope that the next plan will be palatable to say the least .


Did you know that in a recent poll 76% trust the Turkish army so the few bandits you are so proud of do no weild much support.

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Agreed Partition is the only option its just a matter of time before you to realize this fact

[denizaksulu]

I suppose I am interested what the poll question was.

Was it

'Do we need the Turkish army for our security/protection?' or

Do we need the Turkish Army to ensre our future security instead of the guarantees provided by any peace deal or a million other questions come to mind.