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[Bananiot]

Is DIKO against BBF? Where did you get this idea from?

[Sotos]

so almost nobody is against BBF. But almost everybody is against the BBF that Bananiot wants called Annan plan! Like Piratis said there are different kinds of BBF!! I wouldn't mind a BBF with GCs having 93%

[Bananiot]

The solution is like a buffet lunch. You take whatever you like, idiot.

[Sotos]

I will take something only if I like it. What do you take? Whatever the Turks feet you? We will take a BBF that we like not the one that Turks like.

[utu]

As long as the thinking on the islands is for COMMUNITY, then it will have to be a federation of some kind. For a unitary state, the thinking has to be for CYPRIOTS as a whole. I don't like to say it, but until this 'Greek' and Turkish' mindset is removed from Cyprus, there is no hope for reconciliation. Cyprus is supposed to be an independent country, and the mindset of being either Greek first or Turkish first is making a mockery of independence. To avoid federation, you have to think CYPRIOT. It's as simple as that. Then Oracle's view of simple democracy can work. Otherwise, you might as well carve up the island between Greece and Turkey.

[Viewpoint]

As long as the thinking on the islands is for COMMUNITY, then it will have to be a federation of some kind. For a unitary state, the thinking has to be for CYPRIOTS as a whole. I don't like to say it, but until this 'Greek' and Turkish' mindset is removed from Cyprus, there is no hope for reconciliation. Cyprus is supposed to be an independent country, and the mindset of being either Greek first or Turkish first is making a mockery of independence. To avoid federation, you have to think CYPRIOT. It's as simple as that. Then Oracle's view of simple democracy can work. Otherwise, you might as well carve up the island between Greece and Turkey.

Doesnt that need trust and no discrimination by leaders, how will you guarantee this when the leaders will be all GCand looking out for their own?

[zan]

I keep hearing that no one knows what BBF is so how the hell people can be against it is just madness. If it is a new system then it is whatever we make it. The talks will see to that. Even the extensive Annan Plan could not put a definition on it according to you lot. why don't you just say that you want only what you have now, as in the "RoC" and have done with it so that the world can see you are not interested in talks at all.

Thats the only part Christofias is doing really well so far. The PR of his pro-active pro-settlement pro-reconciliatory activity is priceless and has left Talat miles behind (especially after the Limnitis fiasco). If anyone's getting the blame if these talks fail its the usual gang of Erdogan, the Generals and the messenger boy Talat.

He is doing you proud then DT and if you are pleased with him then I know my prediction that this is just another ploy to win international support for your ill gotten "RoC" was right all along.....Thanks for confirming it...

Thats right Zan, its all a ploy. What're you gonna do about it?

Let you get on with it DT.......You think that you can fool the world again.....We shall see mate...

[bill cobbett]

Well I think things are clearer to me now. Thanks.

So in a sentence or two I am being told:
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By itself BBF means little because it's the content of the overall deal that's important and it's a BBF or nothing/partition because it's been agreed in the past even though some forms of BBF are indistinguishable from partition because the two zones are split along ethnic lines so much so that we might be better off with partition with territorial adjustments but some problems might be overcome if there is a strong central government and even though it's new and untried we should try it anyway even though in a perfect world one person/one vote is better.
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Now the question I have to ask myself and of course others is, how can all the above be incorporated in a settlement whilst at the same time keeping our EU neighbours happy that this agreement meets EU primary law in the matters of freedom of movement and freedom to enjoy the property rights as per pre-74 kochans of both communities?

Come along members, bear in mind that we are clever little Cypriots, been around for hundreds and thousand of years unlike our johny-come- lately EU friends.

How do we square these little circles?

[zan]

I suppose we could ask the BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBF...Other wise known as the EU

[utu]

As long as the thinking on the islands is for COMMUNITY, then it will have to be a federation of some kind. For a unitary state, the thinking has to be for CYPRIOTS as a whole. I don't like to say it, but until this 'Greek' and Turkish' mindset is removed from Cyprus, there is no hope for reconciliation. Cyprus is supposed to be an independent country, and the mindset of being either Greek first or Turkish first is making a mockery of independence. To avoid federation, you have to think CYPRIOT. It's as simple as that. Then Oracle's view of simple democracy can work. Otherwise, you might as well carve up the island between Greece and Turkey.

Doesnt that need trust and no discrimination by leaders, how will you guarantee this when the leaders will be all GCand looking out for their own?

That's the problem, Viewpoint. GC's have to think of TC's as their fellow countrymen and the TC's have to trust the GC's to run the country impartially. It is - to use massive understatement - a challenge to both communities.