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[DT.]

DT's analysis on what Christofias is doing merely reflects his own wishful thinking. Christofias knows that winning points will not save us. He knows that only a solution can save Cyprus and he is determined to go hard for it, with the help of the most responsible politician in Cyprus, Nikos Anastasiades. Many are sitting on the sidelines offering verbal support to Christofias but if the two leaders come anywhere near to signing something they will soon change their tune.

If you read what I said carefully I said the good thing about what Christofias is doing is that he is winning the PR battle in case this fails. I did not say that this is his strategy, I agree that Christofias is honestly working for a compromise.

[DT.]

I keep hearing that no one knows what BBF is so how the hell people can be against it is just madness. If it is a new system then it is whatever we make it. The talks will see to that. Even the extensive Annan Plan could not put a definition on it according to you lot. why don't you just say that you want only what you have now, as in the "RoC" and have done with it so that the world can see you are not interested in talks at all.

Thats the only part Christofias is doing really well so far. The PR of his pro-active pro-settlement pro-reconciliatory activity is priceless and has left Talat miles behind (especially after the Limnitis fiasco). If anyone's getting the blame if these talks fail its the usual gang of Erdogan, the Generals and the messenger boy Talat.

He is doing you proud then DT and if you are pleased with him then I know my prediction that this is just another ploy to win international support for your ill gotten "RoC" was right all along.....Thanks for confirming it...

Thats right Zan, its all a ploy. What're you gonna do about it?

[Bananiot]

Very good DT. I am glad you distance yourself from the Sillouris's, Koutsou's and Angelides'

[DT.]

Very good DT. I am glad you distance yourself from the Sillouris's, Koutsou's and Angelides'

I consider them harmless idiots. Its the clever dangerous ones that I'm afraid of like Mr 10% Katsourides.

[Bananiot]

Mr 10%?
P.S. Commiserations on your team's effort last Tuesday.

[DT.]

Mr 10%?
P.S. Commiserations on your team's effort last Tuesday.

Feel free to visit him in his office in the Hilton bar. Any business that wants to succeed in Cyprus needs to go by that bar first.

Thanks for the commiserations, we played horribly but the Germans are in a different solar system.

[Bananiot]

Excuses, Anorthosis did not encounter aliens, even in Germany.

I thought he only took his girlfriends there.

[DT.]

Excuses, Anorthosis did not encounter aliens, even in Germany.

I thought he only took his girlfriends there.

I doubt anorthosis would have had a different score from us had they played Shalke instead of Werder.

[Nikitas]

Bananiot said:

"It is either BBF or partition"

Bananiot, some of us have a problem distinguishing between the two. And cannot tell why either is any better or worse than what is in place today. And this is not a rhetorical objection. I have a problem with BBF for Cyprus and what happens in existing federal states like the USA, Canada, Switzerland and others. Kikapu has made the difference crystal clear in his posts, no need to reiterate.

The coexistence of the two Bs is the most confusing part. If a federation is simultaneously Bizonal and Bicommunal then there is partition of the land and separation of the people along ethnic grounds. That sounds similar to partition. Add to that details like the acceptance of separate statehood for each zone, self determination for each community, and again you come close to partition. So I ask how that is preferable to outright partition after a terriorial readjustment.

The addition of Turkey's guarantees for the WHOLE of the proposed BBF brings the GC community to a status of a hostage. The limitation of EU aquis adds to the negatives and points to a character of this BBF that differentiates it from existing federal systems. If there is communal equality, sepcial safeguards for the TCs, their own zone and exclusive administration, why the need for foreign guarantees and troops? AAnd above all why do they insist on deviations from the EU aquis?

You seem to be absolutely certain that BBF (with the guarantess, troops permanently in Cyprus, limited EU aquis) is automatically better than any other proposal and I have not yet figure out exactly why you are so certain.

[Paphitis]

BBF is what we agreed, since 1975, would be the solution of the Cyprus issue. It is either BBF or partition. There is no other way about it. It is worth noting that many of those that object to BBF are the same persons that are responsible for the present day predicament.

so EDEK were a bunch of coupists then?

Not to mention DIKO!!