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[halil]

Taner Erginel said that the issue of direct flights to the TRNC ‘was a life and death struggle for the Turkish Cypriot people, because it would foster mass economic development in the country.’

Asked as to whether there was a ‘legal obstacle’ to direct flights, Erginel said: ‘there was indeed no legal obstacle. The Chicago convention is the only international agreement which regulates commercial air traffic.

According to the basic Articles and the foreword of the Convention, the ‘State’ must have complete and exclusive sovereignty over the air space of its territory.’

Erginel said, therefore, that the Greek Cypriots could not have a say over Ercan Airport, because they did not have any jurisdiction over the Airport or over the air space of Northern Cyprus.

Erginel said that ‘the Greek Cypriots claim that they are a contracting state in the Convention, and therefore have a say over the whole of the airspace of Cyprus.
However, when one examines the provisions of the Convention, it can be seen that no regulation over the territory of the air space is provided.’

Moreover, the Convention does not stipulate that only ‘recognized states’ may benefit from the Convention, but rather that ‘every state has complete and exclusive sovereignty over its territory and airspace… which means that whoever exercises sovereignty over a territory, could also exercise sovereignty to the airspace above it’ he said.Erginel told Cyprus Star the latest developments with regards to the direct flights isolation to Ercan International Airport.

The Former Chief Justice said: ‘the latest situation on the direct flight issue is that application had been made by Cyprus Turkish Airlines to commence direct flights from Northern Cyprus to the UK, and the refused of the British Government.’

Whilst referring to the court hearing, Erginel remarked that the ‘hearing at the English High Court will be heard in February, where an application has been brought by the Airline against the British Transport Minister.

I anticipate that we will definitely with this case, as there are no legal grounds and no reasons as to why the British Government has not allowed for this to happen.Furthermore, UK officials and the EU had openly said Ercan would be open to international air traffic, because they knew there were no real legal obstacles. Once we win this case in February, I am sure other countries will follow suit’ he said.”

[halil]

http://www.easier.com/view/Travel/Travel_Guides/article-204269.html

The above site URL was publicized on the ATCA website. If the information contained within it is true, then direct flights to the northern Administration's principal airport of Tymbou/Ercan from the United Kingdom will be starting soon. Furthermore, this is being done with the consent of the RoCy government. If this is true, then this is an incredible concession made by President Kristofas. Does anyone on this forum know more about this?

Its just a press release from a tour company that specialses in tours to the occupied part.

They're trying to get some publicity and because talks are under way they've isolated this small part of the talks as if they're close to agreeing on it. Halil will become a vegetarian before direct flights are granted before a solution to the occupied part.

My dear friend DT ......... u love me ......Don't you ?

we had similar news at weekly Cyprus -star news paper.

The Former Chief Justice of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, Taner Erginel, made exclusive statements to the Cyprus Star, over the issue of direct flights to Northern Cyprus and the continuing isolation of the country.
Erginel have his views on the direct flights issue, and said that the Chicago Convention, which regulates international commercial aviation, did not make it ‘unlawful’ for direct flights to be made to the TRNC.

Erginel also said that there would be an important English High Court hearing in February 2009, following the decision of the English Ministry of Transport not to allow direct flights from Northern Cyprus.

The Former Chief Justice said that he believed the case would be won and that direct flights between the UK and the TRNC would start soon.

Don't u think it was too early to give u the good or bad news DT.....

may be at 2009 we can fly with you from ERCAN - ISTANBUL .... than i guess there will be no excuse for u ....that we can have Raki and Fish under the İstanbul bridge .... Specially under the Fatih Sultan Bridge .... place called Yıldızlar (STARS)

Have a nice day DT ...... how is the stock markets in these days ?

halil, I have no problem in getting to Istanbul via Athens. Once Turkey joins the rest of the world and allows flights from Larnaka and Paphos then I will be able to go quicker.

Now if you consider "news" from a former(!) non-recognised offical of the "trnc" as upsetting to me then I can also start quoting you what my Sri-Lankan gardener told me today about the super collider experiment in Switzerland.

and of course I love you.

Thanks for our friendship DT ,

You must not get upset mate from the words or titles ... this is our relities and present conditions in Cyprus .I never get upset from the words or titles are used in this forum or from the GC's individuals or polititions ... these are the realities of Cyprus problem .

Ok u can fly from via Athens and i will go from Ercan to meet in Istanbul ... till solution it is excepted

[DT.]

Chicago Convention

Article 1
Sovereignty
The contracting States recognize that every State has complete and
exclusive sovereignty over the airspace above its territory.

Article 6
Scheduled air services
No scheduled international air service may be operated over or into
the territory of a contracting State, except with the special permission or
other authorization of that State, and in accordance with the terms of such
permission or authorization.

The only way the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus can be compromised is if the UN de-recognises the Republic of Cyprus.

Please inform the ex-official that we've seen this movie before. You know in Omonia everytime they'd lose a game the chairman of the team would announce that construction would start on their new stadium. Every year we seem to get some has-been TC telling the world that HE's decided that there will be flights. And to top it all off he quotes the Chicago Convention of which Turkey is in violation of.

And halil, I'm not upset...just concerned for you.

[ttoli]

http://www.easier.com/view/Travel/Travel_Guides/article-204269.html

The above site URL was publicized on the ATCA website. If the information contained within it is true, then direct flights to the northern Administration's principal airport of Tymbou/Ercan from the United Kingdom will be starting soon. Furthermore, this is being done with the consent of the RoCy government. If this is true, then this is an incredible concession made by President Kristofas. Does anyone on this forum know more about this?

I flew to Ercan on a direct flight from Stansted airport. We thought that it would land at Antalya, but never did. No I did not fall asleep. I know it was not official, but it had been like that for a while.


IT WAS NON-STOP!

Bet I can tell you what day the flight was, is now a regular occurance, why waste fuel landing/taking off again if all pax are bound for Ercan?.

[pantheman]

According to the basic Articles and the foreword of the Convention, the ‘State’ must have complete and exclusive sovereignty over the air space of its territory.’

Halil you are misunderstanding the convention, when it says this, it has assumed you have legal and recognised status, both of which you have none.

So, it is safe to say, we can kiss that goodbye.

Have a nive day!

[halil]

DT ,
no need for u to concern for me ..... we used to live like this .... After so many years , people are don't bother at all !
what i know is how safely i can fly and come back home . It might take my time for going and coming .
one day will come for it as well .I learned to be patience .

[DT.]

DT ,
no need for u to concern for me ..... we used to live like this .... After so many years , people are don't bother at all !
what i know is how safely i can fly and come back home . It might take my time for going and coming .
one day will come for it as well .I learned to be patience .

thats good Halil, I just don't want you to get your hopes up with false expectations. As you say, you've learned to live like this and will continue to do so until this problem is solved.

[halil]

According to the basic Articles and the foreword of the Convention, the ‘State’ must have complete and exclusive sovereignty over the air space of its territory.’

Halil you are misunderstanding the convention, when it says this, it has assumed you have legal and recognised status, both of which you have none.

So, it is safe to say, we can kiss that goodbye.

Have a nive day!

Pentaman ,
somehow u always have a habit to understand that they are my saying .
have a read who was saying what ? and how the arguments came to this stage .try to read previous writings as well . I am not a law man to give any idea about it . we will see together what will happen in February 2009

claim was like this :
Taner Erginel said that the issue of direct flights to the TRNC ‘was a life and death struggle for the Turkish Cypriot people, because it would foster mass economic development in the country.’

Asked as to whether there was a ‘legal obstacle’ to direct flights, Erginel said: ‘there was indeed no legal obstacle. The Chicago convention is the only international agreement which regulates commercial air traffic.

According to the basic Articles and the foreword of the Convention, the ‘State’ must have complete and exclusive sovereignty over the air space of its territory.’

Erginel said, therefore, that the Greek Cypriots could not have a say over Ercan Airport, because they did not have any jurisdiction over the Airport or over the air space of Northern Cyprus.

Erginel said that ‘the Greek Cypriots claim that they are a contracting state in the Convention, and therefore have a say over the whole of the airspace of Cyprus.
However, when one examines the provisions of the Convention, it can be seen that no regulation over the territory of the air space is provided.’

Moreover, the Convention does not stipulate that only ‘recognized states’ may benefit from the Convention, but rather that ‘every state has complete and exclusive sovereignty over its territory and airspace… which means that whoever exercises sovereignty over a territory, could also exercise sovereignty to the airspace above it’ he said.Erginel told Cyprus Star the latest developments with regards to the direct flights isolation to Ercan International Airport.

The Former Chief Justice said: ‘the latest situation on the direct flight issue is that application had been made by Cyprus Turkish Airlines to commence direct flights from Northern Cyprus to the UK, and the refused of the British Government.’

Whilst referring to the court hearing, Erginel remarked that the ‘hearing at the English High Court will be heard in February, where an application has been brought by the Airline against the British Transport Minister.

I anticipate that we will definitely with this case, as there are no legal grounds and no reasons as to why the British Government has not allowed for this to happen.Furthermore, UK officials and the EU had openly said Ercan would be open to international air traffic, because they knew there were no real legal obstacles. Once we win this case in February, I am sure other countries will follow suit’ he said.”

[DT.]

Chicago Convention

Article 1
Sovereignty
The contracting States recognize that every State has complete and
exclusive sovereignty over the airspace above its territory.

Article 6
Scheduled air services
No scheduled international air service may be operated over or into
the territory of a contracting State, except with the special permission or
other authorization of that State, and in accordance with the terms of such
permission or authorization.

The only way the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus can be compromised is if the UN de-recognises the Republic of Cyprus.

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[Paphitis]

According to the basic Articles and the foreword of the Convention, the ‘State’ must have complete and exclusive sovereignty over the air space of its territory.’

Halil you are misunderstanding the convention, when it says this, it has assumed you have legal and recognised status, both of which you have none.

So, it is safe to say, we can kiss that goodbye.

Have a nive day!

Pentaman ,
somehow u always have a habit to understand that they are my saying .
have a read who was saying what ? and how the arguments came to this stage .try to read previous writings as well . I am not a law man to give any idea about it . we will see together what will happen in February 2009

claim was like this :
Taner Erginel said that the issue of direct flights to the TRNC ‘was a life and death struggle for the Turkish Cypriot people, because it would foster mass economic development in the country.’

Asked as to whether there was a ‘legal obstacle’ to direct flights, Erginel said: ‘there was indeed no legal obstacle. The Chicago convention is the only international agreement which regulates commercial air traffic.

According to the basic Articles and the foreword of the Convention, the ‘State’ must have complete and exclusive sovereignty over the air space of its territory.’

Erginel said, therefore, that the Greek Cypriots could not have a say over Ercan Airport, because they did not have any jurisdiction over the Airport or over the air space of Northern Cyprus.

Erginel said that ‘the Greek Cypriots claim that they are a contracting state in the Convention, and therefore have a say over the whole of the airspace of Cyprus.
However, when one examines the provisions of the Convention, it can be seen that no regulation over the territory of the air space is provided.’

Moreover, the Convention does not stipulate that only ‘recognized states’ may benefit from the Convention, but rather that ‘every state has complete and exclusive sovereignty over its territory and airspace… which means that whoever exercises sovereignty over a territory, could also exercise sovereignty to the airspace above it’ he said.Erginel told Cyprus Star the latest developments with regards to the direct flights isolation to Ercan International Airport.

The Former Chief Justice said: ‘the latest situation on the direct flight issue is that application had been made by Cyprus Turkish Airlines to commence direct flights from Northern Cyprus to the UK, and the refused of the British Government.’

Whilst referring to the court hearing, Erginel remarked that the ‘hearing at the English High Court will be heard in February, where an application has been brought by the Airline against the British Transport Minister.

I anticipate that we will definitely with this case, as there are no legal grounds and no reasons as to why the British Government has not allowed for this to happen.Furthermore, UK officials and the EU had openly said Ercan would be open to international air traffic, because they knew there were no real legal obstacles. Once we win this case in February, I am sure other countries will follow suit’ he said.”

To be a Contract State you must be a legitimate country. You must be recognised by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO).

ERCAN airport is not a recognised Airport. The airspace above Ercan belongs legitimitally to The Nicosia FIR.

ERCAN does not exist on International Navigation Charts.







The second image also denotes the Boundary of Nicosia FIR with red arrows. ANY FLIGHTS ENTERING NICOSIA FIR FROM TURKEY ARE ILLEGAL UNDER THE CHICAGO CONVENTION. There will never be direct flights.

Halil, you must be on an empty stomach!!