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[lovernomore]

FULL STOP.

Soryy but you are kidin yes? My wife is Tc. my wife say her Cyprus is not her cyprus anymore. She tels me if she never go back she dont caer. We come back 3 weeks ago from cyprus, she neerly crying saying cyprus is now Turkey. Everywhere settelers, everywher people with no connection to cyprus or cypriots.

sorry Mr halil but it is full stop for you Tcs, you are now turks from Turkey. My wife say even in resturans food dont taste Cypriot, food now taste and made like in turkey.

And one more think my wife say, she say Tc dont know how run country, they dont make deicison everything is from turkey, she say if no setelment with the Gcs and like before living together she will not come back to Cyprus. Very sad.

Let your wife know we intend to make Cyprus well again and remove the Turkification canker which has been allowed to creep in without resistance.

All your post show hate for TC, do you realy mean what you say? If you amke Cyprus well again do you have in your plans also Tcs?

[Paphitis]

FULL STOP.

Soryy but you are kidin yes? My wife is Tc. my wife say her Cyprus is not her cyprus anymore. She tels me if she never go back she dont caer. We come back 3 weeks ago from cyprus, she neerly crying saying cyprus is now Turkey. Everywhere settelers, everywher people with no connection to cyprus or cypriots.

sorry Mr halil but it is full stop for you Tcs, you are now turks from Turkey. My wife say even in resturans food dont taste Cypriot, food now taste and made like in turkey.

And one more think my wife say, she say Tc dont know how run country, they dont make deicison everything is from turkey, she say if no setelment with the Gcs and like before living together she will not come back to Cyprus. Very sad.

Let your wife know we intend to make Cyprus well again and remove the Turkification canker which has been allowed to creep in without resistance.

All your post show hate for TC, do you realy mean what you say? If you amke Cyprus well again do you have in your plans also Tcs?

Hello Lover,

Hate is a very strong word. No one hates TCs on race grounds.

We are just angry at what they have done to Cyprus. We also respect the fact that some TCs are also victims of the barbaric invasion and we are sympathetic to those, like your wife, you do not like the current situation. As for other TCs who have no loyalty to Cyprus, then they can go back to Turkey, which is their motherland. Your wife will soon be free in Cyprus.

[Get Real!]

GR,

I have thought a lot about the military aspect of the situation and have done a lot of research on it.

Once you go down that path you must realise that Turkey will pull all stops and will try to inflict major damage to the south, ie strategic bombing of harbors, airports, road junctions etc, in short doing what Americans call "bombing the enemy back to the stone age".

To counter this, Cyprus has only ground based air defences which work on probabilities. If you recall the S300s were calculated by Americans to cause the loss of 19 Turkish planes before being destroyed. A viable air defence dealing with 400 fighter bombers needs to be capable of downing a much higher percentage to be considered effective.

To paraphrase Clausewic you could say that "diplomacy is war by other means" and what can be accomplised with guns might be easier via other means. The end goal is the same, it is just that the means differ.

Or to use the well know Greek adage, den thelei kopo thelei tropo, you do it by knack, not a hernia.

And what do you think these are for partridge hunting?

SA-15 Gauntlet

“The Tor missile system is a Russian made low to medium altitude, short-range surface-to-air missile system designed for engaging airplanes, helicopters, cruise missiles, precision guided munitions, unmanned aerial vehicles and ballistic targets.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YI72CSiexQ


Buk-M1

“The Buk missile system a family of self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems developed by the former Soviet Union and Russian Federation and designed to engage maneuverable fixed wing aircraft, helicopters, cruise and ballistic missiles”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2UWD1MupZI&NR=1


Small, mobile, deadly, and affordable, Nikitas the perfect buy.

[zan]

GR,

I have thought a lot about the military aspect of the situation and have done a lot of research on it.

Once you go down that path you must realise that Turkey will pull all stops and will try to inflict major damage to the south, ie strategic bombing of harbors, airports, road junctions etc, in short doing what Americans call "bombing the enemy back to the stone age".

To counter this, Cyprus has only ground based air defences which work on probabilities. If you recall the S300s were calculated by Americans to cause the loss of 19 Turkish planes before being destroyed. A viable air defence dealing with 400 fighter bombers needs to be capable of downing a much higher percentage to be considered effective.

To paraphrase Clausewic you could say that "diplomacy is war by other means" and what can be accomplised with guns might be easier via other means. The end goal is the same, it is just that the means differ.

Or to use the well know Greek adage, den thelei kopo thelei tropo, you do it by knack, not a hernia.

And what do you think these are for partridge hunting?

SA-15 Gauntlet

“The Tor missile system is a Russian made low to medium altitude, short-range surface-to-air missile system designed for engaging airplanes, helicopters, cruise missiles, precision guided munitions, unmanned aerial vehicles and ballistic targets.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YI72CSiexQ


Buk-M1

“The Buk missile system a family of self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems developed by the former Soviet Union and Russian Federation and designed to engage maneuverable fixed wing aircraft, helicopters, cruise and ballistic missiles”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2UWD1MupZI&NR=1


Small, mobile, deadly, and affordable, Nikitas the perfect buy.

What was the outcome when you played this scenario with your WarHammer game GR

[Paphitis]

Those who have proposed the "dynamic" way out of the Cypriot impasse seem not to have thought the thing through. They give the impression of fantasizing about some epic where the national guard will bash the mehmecik in ground battles- and therein is the problem. Winning such a conflict will involve a navy and air force, or at least the means to neutralise them, and since neither of those capabilitites exist there goes the theory.

In the event of an all out conflict Cyprus will be subjected to strategic bobming. Do you people know the meaning and effect of such a tactic?

Cyprus is an island. In the event of victory against Turkey it will be blockaded by other powers with the excuse that they are protecting the TC community, while the British will be protecting their SBAs. Have you thought of these developments?

After such a hypothetical victory there will be a ong term hostility with Turkey. Have you made plans for such a protracted conflict?

In past threads I said Cyprus can succesfully defend itself against any new assault. From that point to the undertaking an offensive campaign against any country, is like night and day.

Se gentlemen, please wake up!

We are not exactly defenceless, Nikitas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ22LDBb15Q

The Cypriot Air Defence Umbrella is more than capable of defending it's airspace. Do not think for 1 second that a military conflict between Cyprus and Turkey will be a 1 sided affair.

Your assertion that Cyprus requires an Airforce or Navy is absolutely false. Cyprus does not have the resources for such overkill hardware, and is better suited for a Highly mobile force on the ground that can reach Kyrenia very quickly and hold on for enough time for the International community to mobilise. Perhaps Air and Naval elements will be provided by a third party. The option can never be ruled out!

When the conditions are right, and circumstances permit, Cyprus will 1 day have no other choice but to exercise the military option.

THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TURKS ARE A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME!!

Soon we will realise that if we want our island liberated, we will have no choice but to fight.

These negotiations, only threaten our very existence on the island.

[zan]

[denizaksulu]

Those who have proposed the "dynamic" way out of the Cypriot impasse seem not to have thought the thing through. They give the impression of fantasizing about some epic where the national guard will bash the mehmecik in ground battles- and therein is the problem. Winning such a conflict will involve a navy and air force, or at least the means to neutralise them, and since neither of those capabilitites exist there goes the theory.

In the event of an all out conflict Cyprus will be subjected to strategic bobming. Do you people know the meaning and effect of such a tactic?

Cyprus is an island. In the event of victory against Turkey it will be blockaded by other powers with the excuse that they are protecting the TC community, while the British will be protecting their SBAs. Have you thought of these developments?

After such a hypothetical victory there will be a ong term hostility with Turkey. Have you made plans for such a protracted conflict?

In past threads I said Cyprus can succesfully defend itself against any new assault. From that point to the undertaking an offensive campaign against any country, is like night and day.

Se gentlemen, please wake up!

We are not exactly defenceless, Nikitas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ22LDBb15Q

The Cypriot Air Defence System is also more than capable of defending it's airspace. Do not think for 1 second that a military conflict between Cyprus and Turkey will be a 1 sided affair.

Your assertion that Cyprus requires an Airforce or Navy is absolutely false. Cyprus does not have the resources for such overkill hardware, and is better suited for a Highly mobile force on the ground that can reach Kyrenia very quickly and hold on for enough time for the International community to mobilise. Perhaps Air and Naval elements will be provided by a third party. The option can never be ruled out!

When the conditions are right, and circumstances permit, Cyprus will 1 day have no other choice but to exercise the military option.

THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TURKS ARE A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME!!

Soon we will realise that if we want our island liberated, we will have no choice but to fight.

These negotiations, only threaten our very existence on the island.

You follow that warpath with GRs mercenaries, you will have NO island to liberate. Going to was is the greatest and last mistake the GC will ever make. Mark my word. I suppose you believe in your own propaganda too. Shame. Without the politics you are quite a nice guy.

[Paphitis]

And before all you Lovey Dovey Tree Huggers jump on my back, perhaps one of you can explain what is in it for us to even be giving Talat the time of day?

[Paphitis]

Those who have proposed the "dynamic" way out of the Cypriot impasse seem not to have thought the thing through. They give the impression of fantasizing about some epic where the national guard will bash the mehmecik in ground battles- and therein is the problem. Winning such a conflict will involve a navy and air force, or at least the means to neutralise them, and since neither of those capabilitites exist there goes the theory.

In the event of an all out conflict Cyprus will be subjected to strategic bobming. Do you people know the meaning and effect of such a tactic?

Cyprus is an island. In the event of victory against Turkey it will be blockaded by other powers with the excuse that they are protecting the TC community, while the British will be protecting their SBAs. Have you thought of these developments?

After such a hypothetical victory there will be a ong term hostility with Turkey. Have you made plans for such a protracted conflict?

In past threads I said Cyprus can succesfully defend itself against any new assault. From that point to the undertaking an offensive campaign against any country, is like night and day.

Se gentlemen, please wake up!

We are not exactly defenceless, Nikitas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ22LDBb15Q

The Cypriot Air Defence System is also more than capable of defending it's airspace. Do not think for 1 second that a military conflict between Cyprus and Turkey will be a 1 sided affair.

Your assertion that Cyprus requires an Airforce or Navy is absolutely false. Cyprus does not have the resources for such overkill hardware, and is better suited for a Highly mobile force on the ground that can reach Kyrenia very quickly and hold on for enough time for the International community to mobilise. Perhaps Air and Naval elements will be provided by a third party. The option can never be ruled out!

When the conditions are right, and circumstances permit, Cyprus will 1 day have no other choice but to exercise the military option.

THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TURKS ARE A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME!!

Soon we will realise that if we want our island liberated, we will have no choice but to fight.

These negotiations, only threaten our very existence on the island.

You follow that warpath with GRs mercenaries, you will have NO island to liberate. Going to was is the greatest and last mistake the GC will ever make. Mark my word. I suppose you believe in your own propaganda too. Shame. Without the politics you are quite a nice guy.

THESE NEGOTIATIONS ARE THE GREATEST MISTAKE. MARK MY WORD!!

[denizaksulu]

And before all you Lovey Dovey Tree Huggers jump on my back, perhaps one of you can explain what is in it for us to even be giving Talat the time of day?

HOPE

Give Christofias a chance to prove himself. You are sounding desperate.