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[Nikitas]

Miltiades, are you getting your paint and bursh ready? When we meet in Cyprus we will go round together to paint slogans on the walls!

[Get Real!]

Those who have proposed the "dynamic" way out of the Cypriot impasse seem not to have thought the thing through. They give the impression of fantasizing about some epic where the national guard will bash the mehmecik in ground battles- and therein is the problem. Winning such a conflict will involve a navy and air force, or at least the means to neutralise them, and since neither of those capabilitites exist there goes the theory.

In the event of an all out conflict Cyprus will be subjected to strategic bobming. Do you people know the meaning and effect of such a tactic?

Cyprus is an island. In the event of victory against Turkey it will be blockaded by other powers with the excuse that they are protecting the TC community, while the British will be protecting their SBAs. Have you thought of these developments?

After such a hypothetical victory there will be a ong term hostility with Turkey. Have you made plans for such a protracted conflict?

In past threads I said Cyprus can succesfully defend itself against any new assault. From that point to the undertaking an offensive campaign against any country, is like night and day.

Se gentlemen, please wake up!

It’s just as well the RoC’s Ministry of Defense did not sit there waiting for Nikitas to remind them in September 2008 that Turkey has an air force and a navy, and have already invested in appropriate hardware to counter these threats, so thanks for the reminder Nikitas.


Let us look at what Nikitas and others have seemingly missed because people are unfortunately quoting me in bits and pieces from here and there:


“Liberating Cyprus is not about declaring war on Turkey, but defeating the Turkish military infrastructure that is illegally stationed on the northern territory of Cyprus, otherwise known as the “TRNC”. For such an undertaking to be successful one would need to encompass the denial of any further Turkish reinforcements to the island once the operation gets underway.

This could either be achieved by a bribed superpower such as France stationing her navy between Cyprus and Turkey but having no further involvement, or through the early removal of all ports including naval, airstrips, and helipads, leaving only flimsy aerial drops to be dealt with by SAMs.

The Turkish military hardware currently stationed in the “TRNC” is pretty much equivalent to that of the National Guard of Cyprus in terms of quality and number so it would be as fair a confrontation as you can get under the circumstances, with the exception that the RoC will also have to utilize a fair number of their reserves, and of course once the National Guard of Cyprus reaches Kyrenia and hoists the RoC flag, which they are more than capable of accomplishing if Turkish reinforcements are successfully denied, UN resolution 353 (1974) will have been enforced as dictated by international law.”

Since you're a man of law Nikitas, I hope that the last part quoted here meets your professional ethical standards.

[denizaksulu]

If we can’t live under Democracy, Turkey is to always be meddling in our affairs, the land is not to go back to their rightful owners, the island will be carved, and Cypriotness does not exist because GCs are nothing but some insignificant people who appeared on Cyprus out of nowhere just a few decades ago…

…then what the HELL is Christofias doing wasting our time and tax money with these pointless and laughable “negotiations”???

Poor GR. Still missing TPapa very badly. Funny how election results change peoples perspective. I like your new sloga,'Ottoman remnants'. That makes us all brothers (and sisters). Nice one GR.

[zan]

Those who have proposed the "dynamic" way out of the Cypriot impasse seem not to have thought the thing through. They give the impression of fantasizing about some epic where the national guard will bash the mehmecik in ground battles- and therein is the problem. Winning such a conflict will involve a navy and air force, or at least the means to neutralise them, and since neither of those capabilitites exist there goes the theory.

In the event of an all out conflict Cyprus will be subjected to strategic bobming. Do you people know the meaning and effect of such a tactic?

Cyprus is an island. In the event of victory against Turkey it will be blockaded by other powers with the excuse that they are protecting the TC community, while the British will be protecting their SBAs. Have you thought of these developments?

After such a hypothetical victory there will be a ong term hostility with Turkey. Have you made plans for such a protracted conflict?

In past threads I said Cyprus can succesfully defend itself against any new assault. From that point to the undertaking an offensive campaign against any country, is like night and day.

Se gentlemen, please wake up!

It’s just as well the RoC’s Ministry of Defense did not sit there waiting for Nikitas to remind them in September 2008 that Turkey has an air force and a navy, and have already invested in appropriate hardware to counter these threats, so thanks for the reminder Nikitas.


Let us look at what Nikitas and others have seemingly missed because people are unfortunately quoting me in bits and pieces from here and there:


“Liberating Cyprus is not about declaring war on Turkey, but defeating the Turkish military infrastructure that is illegally stationed on the northern territory of Cyprus, otherwise known as the “TRNC”. For such an undertaking to be successful one would need to encompass the denial of any further Turkish reinforcements to the island once the operation gets underway.

This could either be achieved by a bribed superpower such as France stationing her navy between Cyprus and Turkey but having no further involvement, or through the early removal of all ports including naval, airstrips, and helipads, leaving only flimsy aerial drops to be dealt with by SAMs.

The Turkish military hardware currently stationed in the “TRNC” is pretty much equivalent to that of the National Guard of Cyprus in terms of quality and number so it would be as fair a confrontation as you can get under the circumstances, with the exception that the RoC will also have to utilize a fair number of their reserves, and of course once the National Guard of Cyprus reaches Kyrenia and hoists the RoC flag, which they are more than capable of accomplishing if Turkish reinforcements are successfully denied, UN resolution 353 (1974) will have been enforced as dictated by international law.”

Since you're a man of law Nikitas, I hope that the last part quoted here meets your professional ethical standards.

AHHHHHHHHH! Not Un resolution 353 (1974) They said they would never use that man...They said it was just a deterrent...Bloody facists.......Ban the UN..

[Nikitas]

GR,

I have thought a lot about the military aspect of the situation and have done a lot of research on it.

Once you go down that path you must realise that Turkey will pull all stops and will try to inflict major damage to the south, ie strategic bombing of harbors, airports, road junctions etc, in short doing what Americans call "bombing the enemy back to the stone age".

To counter this, Cyprus has only ground based air defences which work on probabilities. If you recall the S300s were calculated by Americans to cause the loss of 19 Turkish planes before being destroyed. A viable air defence dealing with 400 fighter bombers needs to be capable of downing a much higher percentage to be considered effective.

To paraphrase Clausewic you could say that "diplomacy is war by other means" and what can be accomplised with guns might be easier via other means. The end goal is the same, it is just that the means differ.

Or to use the well know Greek adage, den thelei kopo thelei tropo, you do it by knack, not a hernia.

[denizaksulu]

This is from mouth of Get Real. If TCs thing this is fantassy then you thing again.

Turkish army out of Cyprus and negotiate Turkey no guaranty. in 3 years all TCs exterminate.

Here’s a challenge for you and all other Ottoman remnants out there:

Let’s quickly summarize your representative’s stance on Cyprus…

1. They do not want Democracy for Cyprus
2. Occupying Turkey is never to leave Cyprus
3. The stolen GC land and properties are never to be returned
4. Cypriotness is never to be embraced and accepted
5. Some form/flavor of partition is to be used
6. The GC indigenousness is never to be recognized and respected

Now given all the above, give me JUST ONE good reason why Greek Cypriots would want Ottoman remnants on this island, and why they should NOT use their National Guard and any other method available to get rid of them.

Think HARD before you reply.

GR, I know you are a born again Khirochitian, which I respect. However I have issues with the term, 'indigenous Greek Cypriots in item 6). How does that come about. Its either Indigenous Cypriots, Indegenous Greeks (if they still exist). Perhaps you could try and explain with a little help from your 'beloved' Oracle.

regards

[Oracle]

This is from mouth of Get Real. If TCs thing this is fantassy then you thing again.

Turkish army out of Cyprus and negotiate Turkey no guaranty. in 3 years all TCs exterminate.

Here’s a challenge for you and all other Ottoman remnants out there:

Let’s quickly summarize your representative’s stance on Cyprus…

1. They do not want Democracy for Cyprus
2. Occupying Turkey is never to leave Cyprus
3. The stolen GC land and properties are never to be returned
4. Cypriotness is never to be embraced and accepted
5. Some form/flavor of partition is to be used
6. The GC indigenousness is never to be recognized and respected

Now given all the above, give me JUST ONE good reason why Greek Cypriots would want Ottoman remnants on this island, and why they should NOT use their National Guard and any other method available to get rid of them.

Think HARD before you reply.

GR, I know you are a born again Khirochitian, which I respect. However I have issues with the term, 'indigenous Greek Cypriots in item 6). How does that come about. Its either Indigenous Cypriots, Indegenous Greeks (if they still exist). Perhaps you could try and explain with a little help from your 'beloved' Oracle.

regards

GR! knows I'm as GC as he is .... real Cypriot with a Hellenic background. But more important we are GCs who want the Turks out of Cyprus, and all those Turk-supporters to follow them!

The "TC"s are just Turkey's tools for Turkifying Cyprus by completely eradicating the original (pre-Ottoman) inhabitants .... and at the moment you are presenting yourself as such a tool too!

[denizaksulu]

This is from mouth of Get Real. If TCs thing this is fantassy then you thing again.

Turkish army out of Cyprus and negotiate Turkey no guaranty. in 3 years all TCs exterminate.

Here’s a challenge for you and all other Ottoman remnants out there:

Let’s quickly summarize your representative’s stance on Cyprus…

1. They do not want Democracy for Cyprus
2. Occupying Turkey is never to leave Cyprus
3. The stolen GC land and properties are never to be returned
4. Cypriotness is never to be embraced and accepted
5. Some form/flavor of partition is to be used
6. The GC indigenousness is never to be recognized and respected

Now given all the above, give me JUST ONE good reason why Greek Cypriots would want Ottoman remnants on this island, and why they should NOT use their National Guard and any other method available to get rid of them.

Think HARD before you reply.

GR, I know you are a born again Khirochitian, which I respect. However I have issues with the term, 'indigenous Greek Cypriots in item 6). How does that come about. Its either Indigenous Cypriots, Indegenous Greeks (if they still exist). Perhaps you could try and explain with a little help from your 'beloved' Oracle.

regards

GR! knows I'm as GC as he is .... real Cypriot with a Hellenic background. But more important we are GCs who want the Turks out of Cyprus, and all those Turk-supporters to follow them!

The "TC"s are just Turkey's tools for Turkifying Cyprus by completely eradicating the original (pre-Ottoman) inhabitants .... and at the moment you are presenting yourself as such a tool too!

Moi? How? Was it something I said or done?

[miltiades]

We have covered this scenario before .
Our war will continue against the occupation of Cyprus i=only this on going war is a political one with immense political power behind it , supported by the EU on whose territory the Turkish troops are based. We have a substantial number and a growing one of T/Cs who , just as we do , want the occupying troops out and a solution based on democratic principles and human rights. Turkey is being sent very clear messages from the T/Cs who unlike Zan , consider Cyprus as their motherland . We can not bring the reality and the horrors of military action against a nation of 80 million , a war that from the outset would be doomed to invoke the largest by far catastrophe on our island , a catastrophe that would be irreversible for generations to come.
We are at an advantage with the political war being waged currently , the EU has already expressed its wishes that the Turkish army withdraw from its territory , it will support us and it will equally support the T/Cs in demanding the removal of the occupying troops .Zan and the other extremists "Turkish motherland" perpetrators are not representative of the T/C people any more than Oracle or GR are representative of the G/C people.
We can win the political war but can not win a military war that would generate the required result , which must be , one island , one nation , troops out human rights for all guaranteed by the EU and the UN.

GR refers to the T/Cs as remnants of the Ottoman empire , a slight correction here , T/Cs who have as their motherland their country , Cyprus , are just as indigenous to this nation as he and I are . Those whose allegiance and demands are in line with Zan'ss ie , annexation or permanent partition of our island and considerer Turkey as their motherland , then my advice to them would be to depart and search , as Zan is doing right now , this modern and brave new world of their motherland. You can not expect the Cypriots to stand by and watch their island eaten up by Turkey. The political war will continue and believe me it will intensify . A solution must be agreed upon based on the will of the people , the Cypriot people .

GAME4:

See how many Zan's you can see in this drivel!!!!!!!




I think it shows this mans obsessive behavior really well, whether it be me or booze....

Time to call it a day Zan , motherland is waiting .... off you go son

I am a TURKISH CYPRIOT me old mate...I am not going anywhere.......You are not taking my country away from me by a bloody fait acompli of a non existent "RoC"......Or at the very best...A fake "RoC"....Get used to it!!!!

Would I be right to presume that CYPRUS might be your motherland and not Turkey !!

[halil]

The future of TCs are Only Under the Turkish Cypriots Hand Full stop.