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Hypothetical scenario about ECHR

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

If ECHR accepts property commision what would GCs do?

Accept the decision as legal and go and apply to property commission.
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33%
Cry foul and complain that the same court that has delivered justice to them in the past is not legal anymore.
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Total votes : 6

Postby erolz » Sat May 14, 2005 2:21 pm

magikthrill wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:](Read the book the Genocide Files by Harry Scott Gibbons)


What this book about. I've heard alot about it.


It is a book by a British Journalist called Harry Scott Gibbons about the Cyprus problem. Here is the jacket blurb from 1997 edition of the book (there is a newer updated version now)

THE GENOCIDE FILES by
HARRY SCOTT GIBBONS
The Genocide Files is a thorough research into the so-called "Cyprus problem."
It exposes the bias of the United Nations Organisation towards the Cyprus Turks, and its apparent inability to protect them against their more numerous and militarily more powerful co-inhabitants of the island, the Greek Cypriots.
The book describes how the Greek fixation with Enosis - union with Greece - led to a one-sided war against the Turks and the brutal massacres of their men, women and children.
Harry Scott Gibbons explodes the myth that Greeks and Turks had lived happily together from independence in 1960 until 1974 when the Turkish armed forces, without reason or provocation, attacked Cyprus and divided the island between the two races. And he explains how the Turkish intervention came only after the mainland Greek-led coup which caused a war of Greek against Greek in which 2,000 Greeks and Greek Cypriots died in five days, the reason Turkey called its action the "Peace Operation."
The operation also discovered, in a series of secret documents captured by the Turkish forces, a cold-blooded plan to wipe out the entire Turkish-Cypriot population, documents that the author calls The Genocide Files.
His book does not make for pleasant reading. An authentic tale of brutality never does.
Here is all the horror of obsession gone mad, the murders, the massacres, the rapes. And the mass graves where bulldozers ripped and tore the victims' bodies out of all recognition.
The author's research has convinced him that Cypriot Greeks and Turks never have and never will be able to live in peace and harmony. The "Cyprus problem" was solved, he says, in 1974, when the Turkish Cypriots achieved their own nationhood.
The book has also a fascinating account of the original Greek Colonels' Junta, from 1967 to 1973, the wars against Italy, Germany and the Greek Communists, and why they decided the military should take over Greece.
About the author.
Harry Scott Gibbons was born in the small coalmining village of Lochore, in Fife, Scotland, of Irish background.
After service in the Royal Air Force, he studied agriculture at Aberdeen University and economics in Copenhagen, Denmark.
His journalist career began as a greyhound racing reporter, then he moved to Beirut, Lebanon, with £10 in his pocket and stayed to become one of London's Fleet Street's best-known Middle East Foreign Correspondents.
He has lived and worked in the Arab World, Cyprus, Turkey, Greece and the United States, and speaks Danish and Arabic.
At various times in his life Gibbons has been a farm and forestry worker, an air steward, ship's steward and train steward.
A staunch anti-Communist, he is one of the very few Cold War double agents the British Government has ever admitted worked for it.


Just for the record I have an uncle who has helped Mr Gibbons in the production and publication of this book and they are good and old friends. I have also met the authour and had dinner with him at my uncles house. Serveral of my relatives are referred to briefly in the book (though not my aunt who lost her husband that I have mentioned here before).

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Postby garbitsch » Sat May 14, 2005 2:23 pm

There is a statement by my uncle too :)
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Postby erolz » Sat May 14, 2005 2:24 pm

magikthrill wrote:
i will try to find this book when i head to ny.


It can be hard to find. If you have trouble and do wish to read it then PM me and I'll see what I can do.
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Postby magikthrill » Sat May 14, 2005 2:24 pm

erolz wrote:Just for the record I have an uncle who has helped Mr Gibbons in the production and publication of this book and they are good and old friends. I have also met the authour and had dinner with him at my uncles house. Serveral of my relatives are referred to briefly in the book (though not my aunt who lost her husband that I have mentioned here before).



that is pretty cool erol (EDIT: NOT insan)but in no way offense to you or your relatives just reading the first sentence i found 3 mistakes. im sure someone else will find to comment on them because i must be getting to sleep.

PS nice military servie you have over there? internet access and everything, huh 8)

PS sounds good about the book if i have time in my hands i will loook around otherwise will PM you. assuming its not EXTREMELY biased then it could be a good wake up call to some people.
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Postby garbitsch » Sat May 14, 2005 2:26 pm

insan?? you better get back to bed dude :D
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Postby magikthrill » Sat May 14, 2005 2:26 pm

i EDITED IT!

nite m8

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Postby erolz » Sat May 14, 2005 2:28 pm

garbitsch wrote:There is a statement by my uncle too :)


We are probably cousins one way or another ;)

Just for the record (again) the Erol Fehim refered to in previous link

http://www.kibris.gen.tr/english/books/ ... files.html

is my 'uncle'. I use the quotes because I am not 100% sure of the realtionship (I think he is my fathers cousin) but he was and is an uncle to me, having lived with us for anumber of years in the UK.
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Postby erolz » Sat May 14, 2005 2:39 pm

magikthrill wrote: PS nice military servie you have over there? internet access and everything, huh 8)


We do have access to the intertnet 'on base' at certain times in the evening but I do not bother with it - connection is slow, machines are slow and have (naturally enough) Turkish language versions of MS OS. We are allowed home at weekends (I am a 'paying soldier' - ie soft old UK 'cypriot' who has paid money to do less service and we get things considerably eaiser than the 'standard' recuits). Foe info I am posting this from home.

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PS sounds good about the book if i have time in my hands i will loook around otherwise will PM you. assuming its not EXTREMELY biased then it could be a good wake up call to some people.


The book is biased in the sense that it explains what happened to TC and the TC community, as witnessed / experinced (usualy first hand) by Mr Gibbons.

Here is some blurb from the back of the book

"I urge you to read this book. It needed to be written. A compelling and entirely different account of the so-called Cyprus problem. The finely tuned skills of a distinguished foreign correspondent shine through in Harry Scott Gibbons' reporting - Anne Robbinson"

"Remorseless. An unputdownable account of a pre-Bosnia. It is a classic of eyewitness-treatement writing - Professor Norman Stone formerly Oxford university, now Bilkent University, Ankara"
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Postby magikthrill » Sat May 14, 2005 2:52 pm

i'm sorry but i couldn't let this go. although i was very willing to read this book i might as well read a book entitled "Why Akritas was the most just and viable option for all Cypriots" (no it doesnt exist - at least i hope not):

THE GENOCIDE FILES by
HARRY SCOTT GIBBONS
The Genocide Files is a thorough research into the so-called "Cyprus problem."


i think for everyone to be participating in this forum we all understand it is not a SO -CALLED problem but an actual one.

It exposes the bias of the United Nations Organisation towards the Cyprus Turks,

Is it just me or does the term "Cypriot Turk" allude to a Turkish person living in Cyprus, like "Greek American" Do you feel comfortable with this term?

and its apparent inability to protect them against their more numerous and militarily more powerful co-inhabitants of the island, the Greek Cypriots.


Wow! a true statement. i will disregard the fact that it is one-sided because it is ture!!!

The book describes how the Greek fixation with Enosis - union with Greece - led to a one-sided war against the Turks and the brutal massacres of their men, women and children.


If he is referring to 1974 as the war then he is WRONG. Enosis was not the goal of the GCs in 1974. it was the military dictatorship of Athens that thought it could achieve this

Harry Scott Gibbons explodes the myth that Greeks and Turks had lived happily together from independence in 1960 until 1974


We've all read personal posts of this forum that this was in part true and not a myth

when the Turkish armed forces, without reason or provocation, attacked Cyprus and divided the island between the two races.


very good. thats 2 out of what? 5 .

And he explains how the Turkish intervention came only after the mainland Greek-led coup which caused a war of Greek against Greek in which 2,000 Greeks and Greek Cypriots died in five days, the reason Turkey called its action the "Peace Operation."


No comment on the lack of information regarding the GC deaths caused by Turkey.

The operation also discovered, in a series of secret documents captured by the Turkish forces, a cold-blooded plan to wipe out the entire Turkish-Cypriot population, documents that the author calls The Genocide Files.

If he is referring to the Akritas plan then AGAIN it did not entail wiping out all TCs. iT was a horrenouds document nonetheless but people should learn what it REALLY was.

His book does not make for pleasant reading. An authentic tale of brutality never does.
Here is all the horror of obsession gone mad, the murders, the massacres, the rapes. And the mass graves where bulldozers ripped and tore the victims' bodies out of all recognition.


another truth. sadly im assuming one sided

The author's research has convinced him that Cypriot Greeks and Turks never have and never will be able to live in peace and harmony. The "Cyprus problem" was solved, he says, in 1974, when the Turkish Cypriots achieved their own nationhood.


see comment #1 and I'l'l just leave it at that.



The book has also a fascinating account of the original Greek Colonels' Junta, from 1967 to 1973, the wars against Italy, Germany and the Greek Communists, and why they decided the military should take over Greece.
About the author.


and im sure his writing on this is based on the same BS his other stuff is.


there is more crap in the link you provided erol. namely, the fact that the author sees the possibility of discussion of bizonal federation (1977 high level agreements) as an "agreed exchange of population." now i understand where people on this forum get their crap from (i blieve it was viewpoint who also claimed that the 1977 agreements were an agreed exchange of population but im hesitant to say this with confidence because im unfortunately extremely biased against the poor guy)
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Postby gabaston » Sat May 14, 2005 3:00 pm

magic

i respectfully ask


Harry Scott Gibbons was an international Daily Express Foreign Correspondant who witnessed and writes what he saw.
What were you and where where you during the period he writes about?
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