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[Nikitas]

I came across these two passages today. They are from speeches delivered by Fasil Kuchuk and Rauf Denktash on January 24 1959, after signing the Zurich agreement. They are speeches to celebrate the independence of Cyprus delivered to a crowd in Nicosia

Kuchuk:

"And what haven't we gained by this agreement my friends! Exactly eighty years ago, on February 19, the Turkish army left the island. But next year, on the exact same date it will return. Today we appear as the masters of the island. For any law to pass, to go into effect, it must be approved by the Vice President, that is to say by one who has equal rights with the president, and this person will be a Turk. The Turkish flag will remain forever over our heads. It will give us cause to celebrate on the motherland's national holidays".

Denktash:

"We must not forget that we can, if necessary, we, the 120 000 Turks, upon receiving the word of the motherland to offer 120 000 dead and burn this island from end to end. In this Turkish Cyprus we have the right of self government, the administration we were given is better than what we sought. Today, this soil, which has not seen a Turkish soldier since 1878, will from now on have him right there. The motherland with its hand in Cyprus, its army, will protect our rights to the death."

Well you could not accuse them of being moderates or not promoting "Turkishness".

and Makarios on the same subject, the Zurich agreement:

"Do not think that today is is the end. On the contrary, this day is the start of new, lengthy, peaceful efforts for the reinforcement of our achievements, for their development and utilisation.

The role of the Republic of Cyprus will be immesne and its mission solemn. We will take on this task with the same love that will mark the effort for internal regeneration and reform. We will turn our island into a vast creative workshop."

Obviously a man of different vision than the previous gentlemen.

Which leads to questions about whose plans were capped by success in 1960, who won, who lost and how that spirit lives on today.

And the passages for some reason bring to mind the examples of wild animals caught in traps, and how they gnaw off their trapped limb, choosing a painful loss over death and captivity.

[zan]

I would say it is a triumphant speech of the defeat of the evil that was ENOSIS by the TCs.

A speech in which the relief of knowing that our future was secured in Cyprus after believing that we might actually lose everything.

Makarios on the other hand could be seen, with hindsite, to have begun his deceptive ways from the word go because he knew what was coming.

[bill cobbett]

I would say it is a triumphant speech of the defeat of the evil that was ENOSIS by the TCs.

A speech in which the relief of knowing that our future was secured in Cyprus after believing that we might actually lose everything.

Makarios on the other hand could be seen, with hindsite, to have begun his deceptive ways from the word go because he knew what was coming.

Brilliant!

Zon the Forum's Clown at his very best. Let's have more like that please Zan, we could all do with some more side-splitting laughs.

[zan]

I would say it is a triumphant speech of the defeat of the evil that was ENOSIS by the TCs.

A speech in which the relief of knowing that our future was secured in Cyprus after believing that we might actually lose everything.

Makarios on the other hand could be seen, with hindsite, to have begun his deceptive ways from the word go because he knew what was coming.

Brilliant!

Zon the Forum's Clown at his very best. Let's have more like that please Zan, we could all do with some more side-splitting laughs.

Nervous laughter GR

[Nikitas]

One possible interpretation. There are others. The references to the return of the Turkish army, the instant burning of the island etc, do not point to a sigh of relief. Hardly shows empathy for the other side nor does it express the suffering of the oppressed. I read a sense of arrogance.

As for the GC side, it allowed itself to be boxed in. As they say in Greek courts, in fraud cases, he did not cheat you, you allowed yourself to be cheated, next case.

[zan]

One possible interpretation. There are others. The references to the return of the Turkish army, the instant burning of the island etc, do not point to a sigh of relief. Hardly shows empathy for the other side nor does it express the suffering of the oppressed. I read a sense of arrogance.

As for the GC side, it allowed itself to be boxed in. As they say in Greek courts, in fraud cases, he did not cheat you, you allowed yourself to be cheated, next case.

The return of, what was it, 750 Turkish soldiers in 1960......You really are a burk Nikitas That is what they are talking about. The ones that were allowed by the Zurich agreement.

Fraud came by the way of Makarios.....If he was so hell bent on achieving ENOSIS then why didn't he tell the world what he wanted and not sign the treaty. Better still...Why didn't he call for a referendum and let the GC people do the dirty and vote OXI...Did he have some sort of plan by any chance????

[Nikitas]

That is the problem with Makarios, the mystery.

To you he was Enosis personified. To the Greek junta he was the antiEnosis nemesis that had to be assassinated. To the Russians he was the untrustowrthy priest, to the Americans he was Castro of the Med.

To me he was the man who failed to understand the basics of statehood. But that is another story.

[zan]

That is the problem with Makarios, the mystery.

To you he was Enosis personified. To the Greek junta he was the antiEnosis nemesis that had to be assassinated. To the Russians he was the untrustowrthy priest, to the Americans he was Castro of the Med.

To me he was the man who failed to understand the basics of statehood. But that is another story.

He was the head of the church that wanted ENOSIS and that word is from the church. His speeches of ENOSIS are well known. The coupists and he just had different ideas of how and when it should be achieved...Thats all.

[Oracle]

I would say it is a triumphant speech of the defeat of the evil that was ENOSIS by the TCs.

A speech in which the relief of knowing that our future was secured in Cyprus after believing that we might actually lose everything.

Makarios on the other hand could be seen, with hindsite, to have begun his deceptive ways from the word go because he knew what was coming.

Brilliant!

Zon the Forum's Clown at his very best. Let's have more like that please Zan, we could all do with some more side-splitting laughs.

Nervous laughter GR

You are so lucky to see GR! everywhere ... I try but I cannot

[zan]

I would say it is a triumphant speech of the defeat of the evil that was ENOSIS by the TCs.

A speech in which the relief of knowing that our future was secured in Cyprus after believing that we might actually lose everything.

Makarios on the other hand could be seen, with hindsite, to have begun his deceptive ways from the word go because he knew what was coming.

Brilliant!

Zon the Forum's Clown at his very best. Let's have more like that please Zan, we could all do with some more side-splitting laughs.

Nervous laughter GR

You are so lucky to see GR! everywhere ... I try but I cannot

I feel the force is strong in this one Oracle.