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[Kifeas]

Therefore only two things can be true.

Either the vast majority of Greek Cypriots are completely stupid and they cannot see in Papadopoullos the things you (TCs) can see, or that Papadopoullos is indeed the bad guy for a solution and so do they (GCs) are for supporting and holding him in power.

For option 1: It is not that majority of Gcs are stupid. There have been ample of instances in the history where you see smart people making bad judgment calls. Only time will show if it was a good judgment of the GC people to elect Tassos as president.

For option 2: It does also not mean Tassos is a bad guy for a solution. That depends on how you define solution. He is definitely a good guy if you want a solution where you have a solution where two societies in the island do not have equal rights. He is a bad guy for a solution if you want a solution where two societies on the island are equal in rights.

So majority of GCs supporting him can only mean that majority of GCs do not want a solution where two societies in the island has equal rights. And unless that attitude has changed I see no reason to believe that solution is in the horizon.

Then in any case, why blame Papadopoullos? Blame all the GCs! Blame the entire GC community! They not only elected Papadopoullos 2 years ago, but they continue to support him until this moment. Whatever Papadopoullos stands for, it is the reflection of what the vast majority of GCs stand for.

[turkcyp]

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[boulio]

well it seems that the t/c community will have to deal with t-Pap since he is not going anywere and the UN TALKS Today lasted 1 1/2 hours and more talks have been scheduled this week with t-paps repr.,also there was news that the un envoy sir pentergast will be heading for athens-ankara-nicosia at the end of the month to lay the ground work for talks to resume.

[turkcyp]

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[Kifeas]

Then in any case, why blame Papadopoullos? Blame all the GCs! Blame the entire GC community! They not only elected Papadopoullos 2 years ago, but they continue to support him until this moment. Whatever Papadopoullos stands for, it is the reflection of what the vast majority of GCs stand for.

Who told you that I do not. (not the entire community but those who had voted for him.)

I think they have made a judgment error in choosing him and they will realize this at the end of the day, I just hope it won’t be too late by then.

I still feel I didnt make my self clear on this. The GCs didn'.t elect and they do not continue to support Papadopoullos because they erroneously perceive him to be something else than what he is in reallity, or because they perceive him to beilive and/or aspire something presumably different than what he does in reallity. They elected him and most importantly they continue to support him because they find through him an authentic expression of their wishes and aspitations in relation to how things should be handled and what an acceptable solution of the Cyprus question should at least be and /or incorporate.
Whatever these wishes, aspirtions and expectations might be.

[MicAtCyp]

All we have said that we do not trust him, and that makes agreeing with him much harder. (on the flip side seeing the support he gets among GCs makes me also believe that it is harder to agree with them either.)

I think we better use the right words here. No, it is not that you don't trust him! You are afraid of him! You are afraid that he will remove from you whatever Denktash’es denial and totally negative policy secured to you all these years. Or perhaps do you deny that it's Denktash policy that secured you whatever was in the Anan Plan?

THIS IS what we expect from Papadopoulos.
You -like us- know he is perfect in whatever he ever did. He is so absolutely demonic perfect. Both in planning and in excecution.
In this case however the project we assigned him is to get our rights (that other traitors sold out previously) back to us. Nothing more nothing less.

When he brings the solution to ALL of us then judge and vote accordingly. See if that would be a solution that would bring a new bloodshed (like the Anan Plan) or a solution that both you and us will prosper.

[metecyp]

So there will definitely be talks in the next three years. But I really doubt that there will be any solution agreed at the end that can satisfy both GCs side (because they now have higher expectations) and TC side (because they do not trust Tassos).

Why three years? How do you know this? No solution will ever satisfy both TCs and GCs at the same time. I think whatever solution we find, the outcome will not be easy to digest for the majority of TCs and GCs simply because the two sides are very far apart in terms of what Cyprus problem is and how it can be solved.

May be at the end of the day GCs wake up from their day dreaming that is preached to them by Tassos and got rid of him, and at that time may be TCs are so fed up with uncompromising Tassos that who ever replaces him will be more welcomed.

Well, I don't think that GCs are deceived by the politicians. From what I gathered on this forum and my experiences from GC friends, majority of GCs believe that all refugees should return, all settlers should leave and no Turkish intervention rights and not because that's what they're told by politicians but because that's what they sincerely believe/want. So, they choose leaders like Papadopoulos to represent their beliefs. It's not the other way around. Of course, this makes me worried even more and less hopeful for the solution.

So may be after February 2008 we can find a solution.

What's special about February 2008? I feel like a solution is going to happen either in a year or we'll be heading towards partition stronger than ever.

[turkcyp]

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[Kifeas]

All we have said that we do not trust him, and that makes agreeing with him much harder. (on the flip side seeing the support he gets among GCs makes me also believe that it is harder to agree with them either.)

I think we better use the right words here. No, it is not that you don't trust him! You are afraid of him! You are afraid that he will remove from you whatever Denktash’es denial and totally negative policy secured to you all these years. Or perhaps do you deny that it's Denktash policy that secured you whatever was in the Anan Plan?

THIS IS what we expect from Papadopoulos.
You -like us- know he is perfect in whatever he ever did. He is so absolutely demonic perfect. Both in planning and in excecution.
In this case however the project we assigned him is to get our rights (that other traitors sold out previously) back to us. Nothing more nothing less.

When he brings the solution to ALL of us then judge and vote accordingly. See if that would be a solution that would bring a new bloodshed (like the Anan Plan) or a solution that both you and us will prosper.

Mic, take it easy man! No need for such obvious exagerations!

[metecyp]

Mic, take it easy man! No need for such obvious exagerations!

He's famous for his exagerations...