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[Oracle]

Oracle,
You are posting up a load of bullcrap! The British were good rulers.They left Cyprus with strong governmental & legal systems,but Cypriot extremists have hijacked those systems to settle old scores dating back to Ottoman times.

Blaming the British for your country's problems is a bit rich!

Aidan.

good rulers ... is an oxymoron in my book Aidan!

I am not blaming the British for my countries problems ... they are much like any other countries' problems ... I only blame the Brits for giving the TCs power to keep demanding unfair advantages.

[zan]

Oracle,
You are posting up a load of bullcrap! The British were good rulers.They left Cyprus with strong governmental & legal systems,but Cypriot extremists have hijacked those systems to settle old scores dating back to Ottoman times.

Blaming the British for your country's problems is a bit rich!

Aidan.

good rulers ... is an oxymoron in my book Aidan!

I am not blaming the British for my countries problems ... they are much like any other countries' problems ... I only blame the Brits for giving the TCs power to keep demanding unfair advantages.

What....Like staying alive???? I was saved to come back and make your life hell....

[BC Numismatics]

Oracle,
You are posting up a load of bullcrap! The British were good rulers.They left Cyprus with strong governmental & legal systems,but Cypriot extremists have hijacked those systems to settle old scores dating back to Ottoman times.

Blaming the British for your country's problems is a bit rich!

Aidan.

good rulers ... is an oxymoron in my book Aidan!

I am not blaming the British for my countries problems ... they are much like any other countries' problems ... I only blame the Brits for giving the TCs power to keep demanding unfair advantages.

BULLCRAP!

Aidan.

[Oracle]

Oracle,
You are posting up a load of bullcrap! The British were good rulers.They left Cyprus with strong governmental & legal systems,but Cypriot extremists have hijacked those systems to settle old scores dating back to Ottoman times.

Blaming the British for your country's problems is a bit rich!

Aidan.

good rulers ... is an oxymoron in my book Aidan!

I am not blaming the British for my countries problems ... they are much like any other countries' problems ... I only blame the Brits for giving the TCs power to keep demanding unfair advantages.

BULLCRAP!

Aidan.

Is that biochemically different to COWCRAP!

[zan]

I think we should put the records straight. EOKA, headed by Grivas and Makarios started an armed struggle against the Brits in order to achieve decolonisation and enosis, union with Greece.

This movement involved the right wing and in its first declaration to the Greek Cypriots, Grivas advised the communists to stay out of EOKA's way. AKEL had a different idea about how to liberate Cyprus. They believed in peaceful, mass struggle and argued that an armed struggle (given the odds and the strategic balances in the area) will eventually lead to a blind ally and a solution would eventually be imposed on us. Enlightened people from the right also saw this danger and historian Spyridakis warned against the arm struggle.

In practice (this is what counts at the end of the day) the armed struggle played havoc with the relationship of the two main communities of Cyprus since the Turkish Cypriots could not support enosis. On top of this, the armed struggle brought Turkey into the equation as an important player. Many claim that the London-Zurich agreements of 1959 were imposed on us. This is true, but we need to admit that the agreements were the predictable conclusion of an ill perceived idea that we could achieve enosis through an armed struggle.

I am afraid that despite the heroics of some members of EOKA, the unbiased, cold historian of the future will apportion a lot of blame to EOKA for our present state of affairs. Had it not been for EOKA, Cyprus would have been a happier place today.

[Oracle]

I think we should put the records straight. EOKA, headed by Grivas and Makarios started an armed struggle against the Brits in order to achieve decolonisation and enosis, union with Greece.

This movement involved the right wing and in its first declaration to the Greek Cypriots, Grivas advised the communists to stay out of EOKA's way. AKEL had a different idea about how to liberate Cyprus. They believed in peaceful, mass struggle and argued that an armed struggle (given the odds and the strategic balances in the area) will eventually lead to a blind ally and a solution would eventually be imposed on us. Enlightened people from the right also saw this danger and historian Spyridakis warned against the arm struggle.

In practice (this is what counts at the end of the day) the armed struggle played havoc with the relationship of the two main communities of Cyprus since the Turkish Cypriots could not support enosis. On top of this, the armed struggle brought Turkey into the equation as an important player. Many claim that the London-Zurich agreements of 1959 were imposed on us. This is true, but we need to admit that the agreements were the predictable conclusion of an ill perceived idea that we could achieve enosis through an armed struggle.

I am afraid that despite the heroics of some members of EOKA, the unbiased, cold historian of the future will apportion a lot of blame to EOKA for our present state of affairs. Had it not been for EOKA, Cyprus would have been a happier place today.

What is the point of extolling this hindsight?

We can think of countless scenarios which we can now claim may have been better!

None of the failings of what came to pass, excuse the stance you take now Bananiot! It is the pathetic coward's way who thinks he knows better, because he is looking backwards!

[zan]

I think we should put the records straight. EOKA, headed by Grivas and Makarios started an armed struggle against the Brits in order to achieve decolonisation and enosis, union with Greece.

This movement involved the right wing and in its first declaration to the Greek Cypriots, Grivas advised the communists to stay out of EOKA's way. AKEL had a different idea about how to liberate Cyprus. They believed in peaceful, mass struggle and argued that an armed struggle (given the odds and the strategic balances in the area) will eventually lead to a blind ally and a solution would eventually be imposed on us. Enlightened people from the right also saw this danger and historian Spyridakis warned against the arm struggle.

In practice (this is what counts at the end of the day) the armed struggle played havoc with the relationship of the two main communities of Cyprus since the Turkish Cypriots could not support enosis. On top of this, the armed struggle brought Turkey into the equation as an important player. Many claim that the London-Zurich agreements of 1959 were imposed on us. This is true, but we need to admit that the agreements were the predictable conclusion of an ill perceived idea that we could achieve enosis through an armed struggle.

I am afraid that despite the heroics of some members of EOKA, the unbiased, cold historian of the future will apportion a lot of blame to EOKA for our present state of affairs. Had it not been for EOKA, Cyprus would have been a happier place today.

What is the point of extolling this hindsight?

We can think of countless scenarios which we can now claim may have been better!

None of the failings of what came to pass, excuse the stance you take now Bananiot! It is the pathetic coward's way who thinks he knows better, because he is looking backwards!

Perhaps they should have listened to those that knew at the time and then you would not have to regret at a later date.

[Oracle]

I think we should put the records straight. EOKA, headed by Grivas and Makarios started an armed struggle against the Brits in order to achieve decolonisation and enosis, union with Greece.

This movement involved the right wing and in its first declaration to the Greek Cypriots, Grivas advised the communists to stay out of EOKA's way. AKEL had a different idea about how to liberate Cyprus. They believed in peaceful, mass struggle and argued that an armed struggle (given the odds and the strategic balances in the area) will eventually lead to a blind ally and a solution would eventually be imposed on us. Enlightened people from the right also saw this danger and historian Spyridakis warned against the arm struggle.

In practice (this is what counts at the end of the day) the armed struggle played havoc with the relationship of the two main communities of Cyprus since the Turkish Cypriots could not support enosis. On top of this, the armed struggle brought Turkey into the equation as an important player. Many claim that the London-Zurich agreements of 1959 were imposed on us. This is true, but we need to admit that the agreements were the predictable conclusion of an ill perceived idea that we could achieve enosis through an armed struggle.

I am afraid that despite the heroics of some members of EOKA, the unbiased, cold historian of the future will apportion a lot of blame to EOKA for our present state of affairs. Had it not been for EOKA, Cyprus would have been a happier place today.

What is the point of extolling this hindsight?

We can think of countless scenarios which we can now claim may have been better!

None of the failings of what came to pass, excuse the stance you take now Bananiot! It is the pathetic coward's way who thinks he knows better, because he is looking backwards!

Perhaps they should have listened to those that knew at the time and then you would not have to regret at a later date.

There were many views not just Bananiot's ...

[zan]

I think we should put the records straight. EOKA, headed by Grivas and Makarios started an armed struggle against the Brits in order to achieve decolonisation and enosis, union with Greece.

This movement involved the right wing and in its first declaration to the Greek Cypriots, Grivas advised the communists to stay out of EOKA's way. AKEL had a different idea about how to liberate Cyprus. They believed in peaceful, mass struggle and argued that an armed struggle (given the odds and the strategic balances in the area) will eventually lead to a blind ally and a solution would eventually be imposed on us. Enlightened people from the right also saw this danger and historian Spyridakis warned against the arm struggle.

In practice (this is what counts at the end of the day) the armed struggle played havoc with the relationship of the two main communities of Cyprus since the Turkish Cypriots could not support enosis. On top of this, the armed struggle brought Turkey into the equation as an important player. Many claim that the London-Zurich agreements of 1959 were imposed on us. This is true, but we need to admit that the agreements were the predictable conclusion of an ill perceived idea that we could achieve enosis through an armed struggle.

I am afraid that despite the heroics of some members of EOKA, the unbiased, cold historian of the future will apportion a lot of blame to EOKA for our present state of affairs. Had it not been for EOKA, Cyprus would have been a happier place today.

What is the point of extolling this hindsight?

We can think of countless scenarios which we can now claim may have been better!

None of the failings of what came to pass, excuse the stance you take now Bananiot! It is the pathetic coward's way who thinks he knows better, because he is looking backwards!

Perhaps they should have listened to those that knew at the time and then you would not have to regret at a later date.

There were many views not just Bananiot's ...

What views...One was...Don't do it or there will be trouble...or.....Nah! We'll be alright. Akritas will see us through.

[DT.]

I've been travelling tonight, I'm too tired and I'm too pissed off with the taxi cab that brought me to my hotel and I don't have the energy to argue right now but I've read too much on this thread.

I've read about the 20,000 strong eoka force!!!! which numbered 300 trusted fighters of this closed loyal group
I've read about hindsight and how these kids did more harm to their country than good, when they died singing about Cyprus
I've also been wondering today the differences between the American revolution and the EOKA struggle and someone finally posted this (nikitas i think) and surprise surprise received an answer from a tc saying that you can't compare eoka to the Americans who were trying to make their country great??? WHO wanted to make their country great? Here was an island with 80% Greeks who wanted freedom form the colonial oppressor like every other colony in the world wanted at the time and union with the mother country.

As i said, I'm too tired and too pissed off but if you think these idealist boys who died for their country were anything but heroes for their people then you simply are out of touch with 80% of this island....and that's a lot of people to be out of touch with in the place that you've chosen to live.