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[Get Real!]

and where in your report does it give you reason to not believe me?

Because NOBODY goes outside the house when they hear shots being fired unless they’re armed and heading to participate in the gun fight! I know that because I lived through a real war… if you’re not armed you DUCK down under a table or something and don’t move until the shots have stopped!

[hasanaggi]

first off neither you or anyone one else knows how any one person would react to the sound of approaching armoured vehicles together with the sound of gunfire, and secondly did i say he went out of the house? read again.

Now im off to bed. I have written honestly without exageration and answered many questions......

Now before addressing any more of your doubts would some one please answer my One singular lonely little question?


How can the tcs who fought and payed with their lives against Enosis be called Traitors?

[Get Real!]

first off neither you or anyone one else knows how any one person would react to the sound of approaching armoured vehicles together with the sound of gunfire, and secondly did i say he went out of the house? read again.

Why would they waste a hand grenade and so many bullets on a quiet family home?

How can the tcs who fought and payed with their lives against Enosis be called Traitors?

The answer lies in this riddle…

Did the Turkish Cypriots fight… against Greek enosis OR for enosis with Turkey?

[hasanaggi]

Why would they waste a hand grenade and so many bullets on a quiet family home?


What the f are you asking me for?……………how am I supposed to answer that? How am I supposed know why that tactic was deployed. What im a military trainer now? How many quiet house attacks have you been involved in to Know any better?

The riddle is a fair point.

Initially the tcs fought against Enosis. They did not fight for union with Turkey. Wouldn’t you fight with your life against total Turkish control………I bet you would especially with your military knowledge of attacking a quiet house. As it escalated they the Tc position changed. If you wanted Enosis then fine you could have it, but leave us out of it.

Were not stupid. We did not want Enosis with Turkey. How were we or Turkey going to deal with a million greek Cypriots? The days of rule by one people over another, (a concept too many gcs find difficulty in accepting) were long over. The cost of trying to govern and rule a million bitter Greek Cypriots both in blood and cash would have been ridiculous. All that that would have achieved would have been to create million greek Cypriot guerilla freedom fighters and rightly so. How ignorant do you think we are? The only other option would be to dispose of all gcs. Even the Ottomans never did that. You purvey fine messages since 1571 so purvey that.
You could have had your Enosis, if we had partition. A place where we could live in peace, without fear . A plan for partition was submitted by the Americans in 1964 called (excuse my spelling) Acheson? Plan, where about a 28% (again not too sure about the exact figure) would have been Turkish and the rest would be Greece, but you rejected it.


Anymore daft questions will be answered at a later date, and probably only after I get an answer to my question. In true tc style I may withdraw from the debate since that appears to be the only way to demonstrate to you that my concerns and questions should be just as valid as yours……………………but then again isn’t that the crux of the Cyprus problem all over. You just can not bring yourselves to address us as your equals. Our concerns have never been respected or addressed. Along with independence there were many things Makarios could have done to forge our two communities into one. But instead he choose to say something like. “The people of Cyprus did not fight for independence”. What did that do?............ It drove us further apart

How did you expect us to react to a statement like that?

[denizaksulu]

Betonlar? Only Hatice and Riza are alive.

hey Riza rings a bell...............................not too many Rizas about. Ill ask...................how old Riza?

Same as me. 63.

They (the Betons) owned the Fina Petrol station opposite the Police station, not far from Bebek Bar/Restaurant which had belonged to Osman efendi the old Mukhtar. His son Alper now lives in Kyrenia and has a similar business there.

[denizaksulu]

YOU TEST ME?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Just how are you gonna test me madam?

let me test you?

Describe to me how even using words of your raf buddy buddies, or your esteemed relatives, none of which have a clue what happened at Kophinou, (unless ofcourse they actually took part in this TURKEY shoot)just how on earth tcs fighting against Enosis could ever possibly be considered traitors to an independant Cyprus......................Go-on Madam please illucidate us all with your colourful language...............im really looking foward to reading this. ...............................and dont take my posts in vain. They are not the ficticious clap trap you seem to constantly cook up.

when i have a mistake pointed out to me i am the first to acknowledge and thank...........................how about you.

how were the TC's traitors to independent cyprus ??????????????????

You gonna test me on my village, my family, my dead with your hand-me down tales?

WOT A JOKE

you gonna test me????.............you probably werent even alive during any of this............such conceit is what got you into this mess.............................when will you ever learn to listen and at least try to accept the other view?

oh by the way Grivas and the national guard also killed my grandfather that day too.

Cyprob can really do without any more idiots madam. If all you can do is dream up fantasy descriptions and labels of the troubles, please keep out of it................its hard enough as it is without you pouring your ignorant petrol on its dying embers.

Madam please send my regards to the president of the LaLa Land in which you and your like dwell?

Firstly, you conveniently ignore the concurrent TC attempts at enosis with Turkey and just ramble on about Greek enosis.

Second, you talk about a “Turkey-shoot” at Kophinou even though the TMT had blockaded the Nicosia to Limassol highway, cutting Nicosia off from the rest of the southern towns of Cyprus, and harassed and killed UN personnel!

Why don’t you read what UNFICYP has to say about the Kophinou incidents and then post, because I for one don’t want to hear your father’s or uncle’s version of the events…

http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

There are two perspectives from which you can view the Kophinou incident. You stated the Greek perspective. As far as the Kophiniotes were concerned they were an overcrowded enclave, surrounded by the NG and Grivas henchmen. Exit and egress strictly controlled by the Greek police.

No point in arguing about the above and cause of it.

When the NG and EOKA overran the village, They did go into houses searching for arms etc and shooting through wardrobes bedrooms killing old people in their beds. If my memory serves me right about six elderly persons were thus murdered (you will call it co-lateral) one of them Mehmet Emin dayi was killed and burnt by having petrol poured over him. I believe that he was burnt simply because he was of black slave origin.

After this incident I visited my relatives and saw the bullet holes in the wardrobes where there was undiscriminate shooting. Just like the Americans did in Iraq. Shoot first ask questions later.

The looting was another matter.

[halil]

I bet Deniz will remember below pictures and document of Grivas just saying .........

[EPSILON]

first off neither you or anyone one else knows how any one person would react to the sound of approaching armoured vehicles together with the sound of gunfire, and secondly did i say he went out of the house? read again.

Now im off to bed. I have written honestly without exageration and answered many questions......

Now before addressing any more of your doubts would some one please answer my One singular lonely little question?


How can the tcs who fought and payed with their lives against Enosis be called Traitors?

Your question has two replies. One based on todays or after 1964 T/cs position and believes and one and most important based on the real situation in Cyprus during 1940-1957.
As far as second reply concerns i consider that no one of T/CS fight against EOKA (1955-1959) because of their position against ENOSIS.
I can not of course consider T/Cs as trators but , at least as victims of British propaganta that time, using their poor situation to convist them to became part of the occupator military (policemen) power.
Pls take into account that ENOSIS-That time- was considered by all (Turkey was still sleaping that time) as a basic right of the people of Cyprus.-British discussed this many times since 1915 with Greek state.
Greek politicians-having -wrongly- targets in other areas (Asia Minor etc) refrained of to take the oportunity.

As from the time ROC was created in 1960 this picture of course changed and i can agree that any demand for ENOSIS (after 1960) was against T/cs feelings and targets as Turkey re-entered as player in the game.

Proved of all that is:

AA.Turkey sold the Island of Cyprus to British -therefore Turkey was always considered itself as occupator and not actual owner of the Island
(T/cs appeared in Cyprus because of this occupation)
BB.British were clearly occuptators-no one can deny this even British

In line with the above Cyprus would be actually free only if it was returned to its population who,by luck of history, were Greeks.

[denizaksulu]

first off neither you or anyone one else knows how any one person would react to the sound of approaching armoured vehicles together with the sound of gunfire, and secondly did i say he went out of the house? read again.

Now im off to bed. I have written honestly without exageration and answered many questions......

Now before addressing any more of your doubts would some one please answer my One singular lonely little question?


How can the tcs who fought and payed with their lives against Enosis be called Traitors?

Your question has two replies. One based on todays or after 1964 T/cs position and believes and one and most important based on the real situation in Cyprus during 1940-1957.
As far as second reply concerns i consider that no one of T/CS fight against EOKA (1955-1959) because of their position against ENOSIS.
I can not of course consider T/Cs as trators but , at least as victims of British propaganta that time, using their poor situation to convist them to became part of the occupator military (policemen) power.
Pls take into account that ENOSIS-That time- was considered by all (Turkey was still sleaping that time) as a basic right of the people of Cyprus.-British discussed this many times since 1915 with Greek state.
Greek politicians-having -wrongly- targets in other areas (Asia Minor etc) refrained of to take the oportunity.

As from the time ROC was created in 1960 this picture of course changed and i can agree that any demand for ENOSIS (after 1960) was against T/cs feelings and targets as Turkey re-entered as player in the game.

Proved of all that is:

AA.Turkey sold the Island of Cyprus to British -therefore Turkey was always considered itself as occupator and not actual owner of the Island
(T/cs appeared in Cyprus because of this occupation)
BB.British were clearly occuptators-no one can deny this even British

In line with the above Cyprus would be actually free only if it was returned to its population who,by luck of history, were Greeks.

Ask unkie GR, he will tell you that the Ottomans DID NOT sell Cyprus to the British in 1878. Please get that right. But Turkey did in 1927.

[denizaksulu]

I bet Deniz will remember below pictures and document of Grivas just saying .........

That bed is missing the charred bones.................