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Postby RichardB » Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:59 pm

Rafealla wrote

You do not know what you are talking about.
EOKA heroes and members deserve every honor and respect.
They bravely fought for their country and their believes.


Bravo , I agree entirely

Alekcen wrote

i need to correct something about the number of british soldiers killed.
The number is 104, which for 20 000 fighters, we have 0.0052 per fighter.


Where on earth did you get the figure of 20 000 fighters.?

it is common knowledge that there were only around 300 actual active EOKA fighters

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Connor,
EOKA were the Greek Cypriot equivilant of Sinn Fein/I.R.A. & Z.A.N.U.-P.F. - scum of the earth who deserve nothing less than being put to death,along with the Turkish Cypriot equivilant of EOKA!

Aidan.


As a couple of others on the forum have pointed out this is a total load of sh*t Aiden . You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Like Purdey , I can assure you that I have also had dealings with sinn fein who are the political arm of the IRA

And I can assure you that these people are not the barbarians you seem to think but in the majority very intellegent people who at the end of the day will be recognised as such.

If the EOKA were a bunch of terrorist thugs then I would ask each person on forum a question

" If your country was occupied by another ..would you fight for your freedom or would you just cower beneath the blankets?"

I know what I would do and if that makes me a terrorist thug then so be it!

I would suggest that some persons should do a little research before posting
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:02 pm

I am still waiting to hear how EOKA differs from the American patrios who liberated the colonies from the British.

That was the archetypal resistance movement that inspired all the rest in Europe, starting with the French Revolution and still going.

How was Washington different from Grivas? At leas Grivas never allowed his men to scalp their fallen victims!
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Postby RichardB » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:04 pm

Nikitas wrote:I am still waiting to hear how EOKA differs from the American patrios who liberated the colonies from the British.

That was the archetypal resistance movement that inspired all the rest in Europe, starting with the French Revolution and still going.

How was Washington different from Grivas? At leas Grivas never allowed his men to scalp their fallen victims!


Absolutely Nikitas ...

...But dont wait up for a considered response
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Postby zan » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:10 pm

Nikitas wrote:I am still waiting to hear how EOKA differs from the American patrios who liberated the colonies from the British.

That was the archetypal resistance movement that inspired all the rest in Europe, starting with the French Revolution and still going.

How was Washington different from Grivas? At leas Grivas never allowed his men to scalp their fallen victims!



:roll: :roll: What a load of gobledegook.....The Nazis also tried to make their country great....As a side issue...They killed six Million Jews...Long live the Third Reich :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby RichardB » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:13 pm

The Central Jail of Lefkosia is located just to the west of the walled part of the city and not too far south of the Green Line.

It is known primarily for the Imprisoned Tombs where 13 heroes of the EOKA struggle against the British (1955 - 1959) were interred. Nine of them were hanged by the British, three fell on the battlefield, one died in hospital from his battle wounds.

The tombs were built in an area adjacent to the cells of the condemned and close to the gallows where they would be executed. The area is surrounded by tall walls and covered by glass.

The small cemetery was a brain-child of Cyprus Governor Sir John Harding who did not want the funerals of EOKA fighters to be turned into demonstrations against British rule. The condemned, as well as four others who fell on the battlefield, would be buried in the area without any relatives or even a priest present. The nine men that were hanged, were buried immediately following their execution. Hydrochloric acid would be poured on the corpses so the exact place of burial is not known.

The nine men who were executed were:

Michalis Karaolis
Andreas Dimitriou
Iakovos Patatsos
Andreas Zakos
Charilaos Michail
Michail Koutsoftas
Stelios Mavrommatis
Andreas Panagidis
Evagoras Pallikaridis - aged 19.
The other four were:

Markos Drakos
Grigoris Afxentiou
Stylianos Lenas
Kyriakos Matsis
After Cyprus gained her independence, the area became a national monument where thousands visit. A sign proclaiming "Του ανδρειωμένου ο θάνατος, θάνατος δεν λογιέται" - "The brave man's death is no death at all" was put up against one of the walls.

During the Turkish invasion of Cyprus (1974) battles raged around the Central Jail of Lefkosia. Vastly outnumbered, the Cypriot national guardsmen - aided by corrections officers - managed to fight off the Turks and keep the jail with its Imprisoned Tombs from being captured.

Retrieved from "http://wiki.phantis.com/index.php/Central_Jail_of_Lefkosia"

May they RIP
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Postby RichardB » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:18 pm

A BOOK recording the imprisonment of Cypriot EOKA and IRA prisoners in England in the 1950s was launched in Dublin by Tim Pat Coogan, historian and author, in the Ireland Institute on Saturday, 10 May.
EOKA (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston, Greek for National Organisation of Cypriot Fighters) waged a four-year struggle from 1955 to 1959 for the independence of Cyprus from British colonial rule and for union with Greece.
In 1956, according to Robert Taber’s book, The War of the Flea, the British Army deployed 22,000 troops in Cyprus to crush EOKA; EOKA had a total frontline strength of just 273 full-time fighters backed up by 700 part-time guerrillas. The gallant EOKA fighters, despite being vastly outnumbered and fighting a fully modern colonial army, prevailed.
Cyprus gained independence from Britain in 1960 although Turkish forces have occupied a third of the island since political unrest in 1974.

PATRIOTS
The new book, Irish and Cypriot Political Prisoners in Britain, 1956 to 1959, was written by Vias Livadas, one of the EOKA leaders then serving a life sentence for his part in the struggle for Cypriot independence.
A number of Cypriot veterans of that struggle were present at the Dublin book launch.
Renos Kyriakides, who led a guerrilla group in the mountains before his capture and also a veteran of the British prison experience, was accompanied by his wife.
Demitri Philiastides travelled from Athens to be present on the occasion.
Ten Cypriot patriots in all came to Dublin for the launch of Vias’s book and their Irish comrades were so pleased to see these often forgotten heroes share the limelight and their memories of struggle once again here in Ireland.


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Postby zan » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:21 pm

RichardB wrote:A BOOK recording the imprisonment of Cypriot EOKA and IRA prisoners in England in the 1950s was launched in Dublin by Tim Pat Coogan, historian and author, in the Ireland Institute on Saturday, 10 May.
EOKA (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston, Greek for National Organisation of Cypriot Fighters) waged a four-year struggle from 1955 to 1959 for the independence of Cyprus from British colonial rule and for union with Greece.
In 1956, according to Robert Taber’s book, The War of the Flea, the British Army deployed 22,000 troops in Cyprus to crush EOKA; EOKA had a total frontline strength of just 273 full-time fighters backed up by 700 part-time guerrillas. The gallant EOKA fighters, despite being vastly outnumbered and fighting a fully modern colonial army, prevailed.
Cyprus gained independence from Britain in 1960 although Turkish forces have occupied a third of the island since political unrest in 1974.

PATRIOTS
The new book, Irish and Cypriot Political Prisoners in Britain, 1956 to 1959, was written by Vias Livadas, one of the EOKA leaders then serving a life sentence for his part in the struggle for Cypriot independence.
A number of Cypriot veterans of that struggle were present at the Dublin book launch.
Renos Kyriakides, who led a guerrilla group in the mountains before his capture and also a veteran of the British prison experience, was accompanied by his wife.
Demitri Philiastides travelled from Athens to be present on the occasion.
Ten Cypriot patriots in all came to Dublin for the launch of Vias’s book and their Irish comrades were so pleased to see these often forgotten heroes share the limelight and their memories of struggle once again here in Ireland.


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Richard...Makarios, Grivas and Greece where all for Enosis and backed EOKA...Thousands of soldiers were then also EOKA men.
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Postby RichardB » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:32 pm

Zan wrote
Richard...Makarios, Grivas and Greece where all for Enosis and backed EOKA...Thousands of soldiers were then also EOKA men.


Hi Zan

Yes I'm sure many soldiers were EOKA men or at the very least were sympathisers

But can you tell me the strength of the CNG at this time? as Alcezen (sorry if spelling is incorrect) has claimed that there were 20 000 fighters which is just not true

As I have said the numbers of actual activists were in the hundreds and they managed to defeat a 22 000 strong British presence.

Some of the figures bandied round this forum are just too ludicrious for words

Its like me claiming thAT 80 000 TCs Were actively involved in the fight for Taksim
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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:40 pm

zan wrote:
Nikitas wrote:I am still waiting to hear how EOKA differs from the American patrios who liberated the colonies from the British.

That was the archetypal resistance movement that inspired all the rest in Europe, starting with the French Revolution and still going.

How was Washington different from Grivas? At leas Grivas never allowed his men to scalp their fallen victims!



:roll: :roll: What a load of gobledegook.....The Nazis also tried to make their country great....As a side issue...They killed six Million Jews...Long live the Third Reich :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Oi ... plagiarism :roll:

.... I ascribed that to you last night!
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:41 pm

connor wrote:Are there no comments ref the list of civilians killed by EOKA as provided / claimed by Alekcen..?



No 114 is the gentleman I mentioned to you. Tofallis Christou. Found tied to an olive tree, shot dead.
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