First, sorry for my late posting but this one above particularly struck me as being very odd.
Well Paphitis, if you say 80% GC s were right in their demand to ask for Enosis , then 20% TCs were also right in their opposition to Enosis.
I agree that the TCs also had the right to object to ENOSIS.
When you fight for the independence of your country, it is only independence and independence ONLY, not union with a foreign country that SHOULD matter.
Regardless of whether the majority may have ethnic ties with that country..or not..
For me personally, it was not the ideal of ENOSIS that is the determining factor. It was the ideal of "self determination" and cutting loose from the British Imperial Yoke. It is the latter which stirred my feelings and not the former, despite the ethnic ties.
You are fighting for independence against colonial rule..fine, spilling a lot of blood even at the expense of killing your fellow GCs, let alone TCs and Britts....sad but fine ...(the end justifies the means after all) and all these sufferings and bloodshed ....for a union with a country which has a wonderful track record of mass-murdering each other in a civil war, just because at that time...independence per se was not viable..
WHY ???
Because we were fed up with being ruled by foreign powers over many centuries. We felt that we needed our mother country at the time, much in the same way the TCs obviously still believe that they need their mother country, even in this day and age!!
I mentioned earlier, that the fundamental ideal for EOKA in the 50s was for self determination, and not necessarily ENOSIS.
If you go through all these hardships just to throw your country under the yoke of another country ??....
And what country ???? Greece...
What the hell you are talking about ??
We went through these struggles for our own self determination, and not to place ourselves under the yoke of another foreign country.
We were fed up with foreign rule and domination, and we felt that we needed our mother country at the time. Much like the TCs today.
Self Determination is what I am talking about.
Had it been for a mere joint struggle against britts, then TCs would have gladly helped you out ...
If the TCs did help out, then I firmly believe that things may have been different today.
Britain's "Divide and Rule" would have failed. The TCs would be considered our patriots, and I would like to think that ENOSIS would also have been abandoned for independence.
I am afraid you are being too much a romantic, Paphidis..
Maybe.
I can only tell you my opinion, based on my personal morals and ideals.
Suppose the TCs had their demands accepted by the original EOKA at that time and Enosis went back to fridge.....temporarily...
What were the guarantees that GCs would have hold on to their commitments ??
There would have been no guarantee.
Just a mere worldy promise by Grivas who later came back to resuscitate EOKA again ???
What were to keep them from being annihilated by the succeeding EOKA, namely EOKA-B...???
I would like to think the majority of GCs would have defended you.
I would also like to point out that I personally have no allegiance with EOKA B or for Grivas himself. But I would always defend the honor of the original EOKA, particularly those young and idealistic boys that I believe are heroes.
EOKA B was indeed much hated amongst GCs, and apart from causing lots of pain and suffering to the TC community, it also betrayed the Republic by assisting the Greek Coup and assassination attempt against Makarios.
That EOKA-B which did not hesitate to overthrow the legal Cyprus government and attempt to assasinate its own president just for the sake of joining a country whic, at that time, was ruled by one of the most rabid and fascist regimes in the world.
I bet, even at that time, Greece was lagging much behind Cyprus in many areas, starting with democracy...
You are absolutely correct.
EOKA B and the Coup were an absolute disaster to Cyprus.
EOKA had lived up its time and should have gone defunct by 1960..
No need to resuscitate a zombie from its grave...
I hate how people do not differentiate between EOKA and EOKA B. For me EOKA was an idyllic struggle for self determination, from individuals that I admire. EOKA B was not even close to that. Both shared a common fanatical leader, which is often the case in armed struggles, who decided to adopt the same name and adding the B. Apart from that, the 2 movements were a world apart.
In my opinion, EOKA B should never have been formed.
If Enosis was the wish of majority of cypriots, this would have come true over time by a common membership with a modern and democratic Greece in EU... as is now...
Agreed.
Sorry Paphidis, but I am afraid the seeds of the discord were already planted in EOKA..... and in the original version...that is EOKA was already pregnant and carrying the Greek infant in its womb at that time..
I do not believe that you can compare the likes of Evagoras Pallikaridis, Afxentiou, Dimitris Matsios etc with the likes of Grivas.
Grivas was a fanatical fascist, who should not have done what he did in the 60s.
Objection of a negligeable and a dormant minority would have certainly gone unheeded..
I would like to think not.
Maybe I am a bit of a romantic, but I consider it the duty of every citizen to defend their other fellow citizens against such illegal insurgent forces.
Still, I can hear your objection...you might say "but, the TCs also themselves wanted to bring down the ROC in collaboration with Turkey"..
And that is why I say that our history is full of missed opportunities where a "real brotherhood and patriotism" could have been sparked. But alas, I guess we both fell victim to British "Divide and Rule" and so here we are.
Then it is the duty of a legitimate government to bring down all kinds of insurgencies without discrimanation and with firmness ..be it TC-originated (TMT) or GC-originated (EOKA-B)...
Correct.
Also the duty of every fellow citizen and patriot.
If a newly created republic backed by 3 powerfull guarantors can not handle these, then that republic does not deserve to exist..
With your last point, I can not agree. The 3 powerful guarantors are the root cause of many problems. Greece for example was under the control of the ruthless Junta, which on 1 fine day decided to overthrow the legitimate Cyprus Government. Another guarentor power, Turkey, decided to invade and claimed she was acting responsibly as a guarantor to The Republic of Cyprus and to protect the TC community. It still occupies Cyprus after 34 years despite it's obligations under the Treaty of Guarantee to respect the sovereignty of Cyprus and the 1960 state of affairs, as offered by the GCs before Turkey broke out from the ceasefire line in August. And finally, the other guarantor, Britain did absolutely nothing to defend Cyprus. In actual fact, there is also evidence that Britain, but in particular the USA, collaborated with the Greek Junta in overthrowing Makarios, whilst at the same time allowing the Turkish Invasion to occur. The objective was partition, and many things occurred behind closed doors, in order to bring about the present situation.
So as far as I am concerned, Cyprus does not need these Guarantees any more. And we can not ever accept any solution with such treaties imposed.
Once bitten, twice shy!