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[Paphitis]

Personally, I have never mentioned either of these two, as their seems to be counter claims.

But when it comes to 'who began what?', dont you think its best left alone? Shall we go back to adam and eve?

Not when everything begins in 1960!! Better still, why don't we say everything started on 20 Jul 74. This would be much more conventient!!

For you perhaps.

But why deliberately misconstrue what Halil meant ( regarding the beginning as being 1960). I know it is difficult to understand him all the time but you are intelligent enough to understand most of what he says. You keep on going around in circles.
Look, we got rid of Eoka, next step please.

To really understand the Cyprus problem you must look at how it evolved from the 1950s and onwards. You can not ignore this decade, as this is when the first inter communal violence began, due to Britain's "Divide and Rule".

It began in the 1950s and not the 1960s. If you Turks want to play games, then I'm afraid that I am going to have to do the same. I will from now on argue that the whole Cyprus Problem began on 20 Jul 74.

You should be appreciative at my willingness to look at all aspects of the Cyprus Problem and not just certain aspects as you and Halil appear to be doing. The Cyprus Problem began before 1960, and it is about time you all woke up.

[Paphitis]

Personally, I have never mentioned either of these two, as their seems to be counter claims.

But when it comes to 'who began what?', dont you think its best left alone? Shall we go back to adam and eve?

Not when everything begins in 1960!! Better still, why don't we say everything started on 20 Jul 74. This would be much more conventient!!

For you perhaps.

But why deliberately misconstrue what Halil meant ( regarding the beginning as being 1960). I know it is difficult to understand him all the time but you are intelligent enough to understand most of what he says. You keep on going around in circles.
Look, we got rid of EOKA, next step please.

And that was exactly my point. You can not ignore history because it suits you. If you want to intellectually analyse and discuss the Cyprus issue, then you must look at all the information, starting from the 1950s, the Zurich Agreements, 1960, 1963-1967, and onwards to the present day.

And BTW, EOKA lives on. It lives on in the hearts and minds of the "True Cypriots". EOKA is eternal!! It never dies!!

[pissouri]

Depends who you speak to, or what you Google. In our village, it is not discussed in public, to many bad memories.

what Village is that Purdey?

[denizaksulu]

Personally, I have never mentioned either of these two, as their seems to be counter claims.

But when it comes to 'who began what?', dont you think its best left alone? Shall we go back to adam and eve?

Not when everything begins in 1960!! Better still, why don't we say everything started on 20 Jul 74. This would be much more conventient!!

For you perhaps.

But why deliberately misconstrue what Halil meant ( regarding the beginning as being 1960). I know it is difficult to understand him all the time but you are intelligent enough to understand most of what he says. You keep on going around in circles.
Look, we got rid of Eoka, next step please.

To really understand the Cyprus problem you must look at how it evolved from the 1950s and onwards. You can not ignore this decade, as this is when the first inter communal violence began, due to Britain's "Divide and Rule".

It began in the 1950s and not the 1960s. If you Turks want to play games, then I'm afraid that I am going to have to do the same. I will from now on argue that the whole Cyprus Problem began on 20 Jul 74.

You should be appreciative at my willingness to look at all aspects of the Cyprus Problem and not just certain aspects as you and Halil appear to be doing. The Cyprus Problem began before 1960, and it is about time you all woke up.

I agree with you wholeheartedly Bafidis. The whole problem did indeed begin pre-1960. !878 to be precise; when the GC archbishop greeted the new rulers with his demands for Enosis.

Pack it in Bafidis. Lets not have a' who and when game'. Its a non-starters. Where are we going now? How do we get there? that is our aim.

[BirKibrisli]

Personally, I have never mentioned either of these two, as their seems to be counter claims.

But when it comes to 'who began what?', dont you think its best left alone? Shall we go back to adam and eve?

Not when everything begins in 1960!! Better still, why don't we say everything started on 20 Jul 74. This would be much more conventient!!

For you perhaps.

But why deliberately misconstrue what Halil meant ( regarding the beginning as being 1960). I know it is difficult to understand him all the time but you are intelligent enough to understand most of what he says. You keep on going around in circles.
Look, we got rid of Eoka, next step please.

To really understand the Cyprus problem you must look at how it evolved from the 1950s and onwards. You can not ignore this decade, as this is when the first inter communal violence began, due to Britain's "Divide and Rule".

It began in the 1950s and not the 1960s. If you Turks want to play games, then I'm afraid that I am going to have to do the same. I will from now on argue that the whole Cyprus Problem began on 20 Jul 74.

You should be appreciative at my willingness to look at all aspects of the Cyprus Problem and not just certain aspects as you and Halil appear to be doing. The Cyprus Problem began before 1960, and it is about time you all woke up.

Well,,,,some would argue that the Problem started in 1571,or better still with The Big Bang....

[BirKibrisli]

Personally, I have never mentioned either of these two, as their seems to be counter claims.

But when it comes to 'who began what?', dont you think its best left alone? Shall we go back to adam and eve?

Not when everything begins in 1960!! Better still, why don't we say everything started on 20 Jul 74. This would be much more conventient!!

For you perhaps.

But why deliberately misconstrue what Halil meant ( regarding the beginning as being 1960). I know it is difficult to understand him all the time but you are intelligent enough to understand most of what he says. You keep on going around in circles.
Look, we got rid of EOKA, next step please.

And that was exactly my point. You can not ignore history because it suits you. If you want to intellectually analyse and discuss the Cyprus issue, then you must look at all the information, starting from the 1950s, the Zurich Agreements, 1960, 1963-1967, and onwards to the present day.

And BTW, EOKA lives on. It lives on in the hearts and minds of the "True Cypriots". EOKA is eternal!! It never dies!!

Speak for yourself,Paphidis...I am a True Cypriot,and EOKA is not anywhere near me... Except when I have nightmares...

[Tim Drayton]

Tim asks:

"Does the "X" stand for anything, or have any significance, in Greek?"

X is the uknown factor of algebra. On the insignia used by the X group it was capped by a crown, I guess to show the royalist sentiments of its members.

Grivas, like many other Greek officers of his generation, was a rabid anticommunist. Having read his writings and as much about him as I can, and having some personal accounts from people close to him when he was alive, I would go as far as to say that given a choice between submitting to a Greek communist takeover or total Turkish conquest he would prefer the latter.

The other fascinating aspect of his life was his close connection with the British during the final days of the German occupation of Greece and the civil war that followed.

I will not go into ridiculous conspiracy theories, but have to note that by the time Grivas arrived in Cyprus for his early scouting missions (early 50s) he was a very well known quantity to the British. They knew perfectly well what he was capable of because they had used him a few years earlier in Greece. Is it likely that Grivas would be travelling around the island with maps, marking likely hideouts and ambush points, with no Special Branch tail? If he was lucky enough to evade them in 1951, how about 1952 when he revisited Cyprus in Jyly 1952 and again in October 1952?

Think that this retired Greek army officer probably arrived in Cyprus with a Greek passport, it would have to be since he was a naturalised Greek citizen, and therefore offcially an alien. His entry was governed by the Aliens Acts which applied in Cyprus at the time. He would have needed a visa. Yet in his passport his place of birth would be Cyprus. These fact alone would have alerted the Special Branch officers at the port of Limassol where he most likely landed on his visits. Those of us who recall the setup at Limassol harbor in those days know how strictly controlled things were and how many landing and embarkation cards we had to fill in.

Yet Grivas was able to move around the island freely and make his plans for armed action a year or two later. Strange goings on!

I don't know how far down the conspiracy theory road one wishes to go, but Grivas kept on having lucky escapes. Like the time the fire in the forest saved his bacon. Like the time when, as the number one wanted man in Cyprus, a British convoy passed him as a he was walking along the road and they didn't recognise him. Like the time a hit squad was sent to assassinate him in the village where he was holed out but had to retreat because they were stoned by children. How lucky can one man be?

[Paphitis]

Personally, I have never mentioned either of these two, as their seems to be counter claims.

But when it comes to 'who began what?', dont you think its best left alone? Shall we go back to adam and eve?

Not when everything begins in 1960!! Better still, why don't we say everything started on 20 Jul 74. This would be much more conventient!!

For you perhaps.

But why deliberately misconstrue what Halil meant ( regarding the beginning as being 1960). I know it is difficult to understand him all the time but you are intelligent enough to understand most of what he says. You keep on going around in circles.
Look, we got rid of Eoka, next step please.

To really understand the Cyprus problem you must look at how it evolved from the 1950s and onwards. You can not ignore this decade, as this is when the first inter communal violence began, due to Britain's "Divide and Rule".

It began in the 1950s and not the 1960s. If you Turks want to play games, then I'm afraid that I am going to have to do the same. I will from now on argue that the whole Cyprus Problem began on 20 Jul 74.

You should be appreciative at my willingness to look at all aspects of the Cyprus Problem and not just certain aspects as you and Halil appear to be doing. The Cyprus Problem began before 1960, and it is about time you all woke up.

Well,,,,some would argue that the Problem started in 1571,or better still with The Big Bang....

You guys are exactly right! Why shall we go back to Adam and eve?

Lets all just ignore everything except for 20 Jul 74 and onwards. Everything else is too far in the past.

[denizaksulu]

Personally, I have never mentioned either of these two, as their seems to be counter claims.

But when it comes to 'who began what?', dont you think its best left alone? Shall we go back to adam and eve?

Not when everything begins in 1960!! Better still, why don't we say everything started on 20 Jul 74. This would be much more conventient!!

For you perhaps.

But why deliberately misconstrue what Halil meant ( regarding the beginning as being 1960). I know it is difficult to understand him all the time but you are intelligent enough to understand most of what he says. You keep on going around in circles.
Look, we got rid of Eoka, next step please.

To really understand the Cyprus problem you must look at how it evolved from the 1950s and onwards. You can not ignore this decade, as this is when the first inter communal violence began, due to Britain's "Divide and Rule".

It began in the 1950s and not the 1960s. If you Turks want to play games, then I'm afraid that I am going to have to do the same. I will from now on argue that the whole Cyprus Problem began on 20 Jul 74.

You should be appreciative at my willingness to look at all aspects of the Cyprus Problem and not just certain aspects as you and Halil appear to be doing. The Cyprus Problem began before 1960, and it is about time you all woke up.

Well,,,,some would argue that the Problem started in 1571,or better still with The Big Bang....

You guys are exactly right! Why shall we go back to Adam and eve.

Lets all just ignore everything except for 20 Jul 74 and onwards. Everything else is too far in the past.

A big joke is it? Lets laugh alltogether now.

[Paphitis]

Personally, I have never mentioned either of these two, as their seems to be counter claims.

But when it comes to 'who began what?', dont you think its best left alone? Shall we go back to adam and eve?

Not when everything begins in 1960!! Better still, why don't we say everything started on 20 Jul 74. This would be much more conventient!!

For you perhaps.

But why deliberately misconstrue what Halil meant ( regarding the beginning as being 1960). I know it is difficult to understand him all the time but you are intelligent enough to understand most of what he says. You keep on going around in circles.
Look, we got rid of EOKA, next step please.

And that was exactly my point. You can not ignore history because it suits you. If you want to intellectually analyse and discuss the Cyprus issue, then you must look at all the information, starting from the 1950s, the Zurich Agreements, 1960, 1963-1967, and onwards to the present day.

And BTW, EOKA lives on. It lives on in the hearts and minds of the "True Cypriots". EOKA is eternal!! It never dies!!

Speak for yourself,Paphidis...I am a True Cypriot,and EOKA is not anywhere near me... Except when I have nightmares...

Your not Cypriot. You are an Ottoman Remnant. An invader from 1571!!!

Your allegiances have never been with Cyprus, but with Turkey.

The rest is all talk, as history shows us all the facts.