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[halil]

"When did Grivas collaborated with the Germans? Any links? "

It is a historical fact that Grivas was one of the founders of the X movement in Greece. Instead of leaving Greece after the German takeover and go to North Africa, as most of the Greek forces had done, he chose to stay.

During the occupation he led the X movement which was regarded by the Germans as a non entity and never officially adopted by them. After the liberation the X movement was used by the British against the communist former guerillas of EAM, during the civil war. During a meeting of right wing organizations in Athens, in 1943 under Captain Donald Stott, X participated and signed a joint agreement to harasss the retreating Germans and to stop the guerrillas from gaining power.

After the war Grivas tried to set up a political party and in the elections of 1946 and 1950 got less than one per cent of the vote.

Grivas was a passionate anticommunist, royalist, and pro.... British for most of his life as were his closest collaborators in Greece.

The follwoing link might be of interest to you:

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greece/History/G ... ilWar.html

we don't need any Greek or Turkish related links .......

any greek or turkish writer articles ...... or any greek or turkish reporter writings ... have a look most of the news writers at the international arena yhey have some family connections with cyprus ...have look reporter names or sirnames ....

[Paphitis]

"When did Grivas collaborated with the Germans? Any links? "

It is a historical fact that Grivas was one of the founders of the X movement in Greece. Instead of leaving Greece after the German takeover and go to North Africa, as most of the Greek forces had done, he chose to stay.

During the occupation he led the X movement which was regarded by the Germans as a non entity and never officially adopted by them. After the liberation the X movement was used by the British against the communist former guerillas of EAM, during the civil war. During a meeting of right wing organizations in Athens, in 1943 under Captain Donald Stott, X participated and signed a joint agreement to harasss the retreating Germans and to stop the guerrillas from gaining power.

After the war Grivas tried to set up a political party and in the elections of 1946 and 1950 got less than one per cent of the vote.

Grivas was a passionate anticommunist, royalist, and pro.... British for most of his life as were his closest collaborators in Greece.

During the German-Italian-Bulgarian occupation of Greece in World War II he founded and led the Organisation X, a minor resistance organisation made up of officers of the Greek army whose influence was limited in certain neighbourhoods of Athens.

During the events of December 1944, members of Organisation X (armed by the German army in their retreat from Greece) were incorporated into the Greek security forces. They fought alongside British and Greek loyalist forces to resist the attempts of the EAM/ELAS fighters to bring Athens under their control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgios_Grivas

Organisation X was just a small organisation comprising of Greek Officers. It was an anti communist, royalist, and pro British organisation.

Organisation X never at any stage collaborated with the Nazis. They obtained their weapons from surrendering German forces. They were also armed by the British and fought alongside British and Greek forces against the communist backed EAM/ELAS/KKE insurgents, which attempted to take control of the country.

As is usual, everything that Bananiot posts is a load of Bollocks!!

[denizaksulu]

"When did Grivas collaborated with the Germans? Any links? "

It is a historical fact that Grivas was one of the founders of the X movement in Greece. Instead of leaving Greece after the German takeover and go to North Africa, as most of the Greek forces had done, he chose to stay.

During the occupation he led the X movement which was regarded by the Germans as a non entity and never officially adopted by them. After the liberation the X movement was used by the British against the communist former guerillas of EAM, during the civil war. During a meeting of right wing organizations in Athens, in 1943 under Captain Donald Stott, X participated and signed a joint agreement to harasss the retreating Germans and to stop the guerrillas from gaining power.

After the war Grivas tried to set up a political party and in the elections of 1946 and 1950 got less than one per cent of the vote.

Grivas was a passionate anticommunist, royalist, and pro.... British for most of his life as were his closest collaborators in Greece.

The follwoing link might be of interest to you:

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greece/History/G ... ilWar.html

I thought the American civil war was terrible. It pales into insignificance with the other Greek Trajedy/Civil war.

Was the link provided to help people judge where Grivas allegiances lay? Was he pro-German or was it pragmatic thing to do. (like receiving arms to kill your own people?). What a mess.

[Paphitis]

"When did Grivas collaborated with the Germans? Any links? "

It is a historical fact that Grivas was one of the founders of the X movement in Greece. Instead of leaving Greece after the German takeover and go to North Africa, as most of the Greek forces had done, he chose to stay.

During the occupation he led the X movement which was regarded by the Germans as a non entity and never officially adopted by them. After the liberation the X movement was used by the British against the communist former guerillas of EAM, during the civil war. During a meeting of right wing organizations in Athens, in 1943 under Captain Donald Stott, X participated and signed a joint agreement to harasss the retreating Germans and to stop the guerrillas from gaining power.

After the war Grivas tried to set up a political party and in the elections of 1946 and 1950 got less than one per cent of the vote.

Grivas was a passionate anticommunist, royalist, and pro.... British for most of his life as were his closest collaborators in Greece.

The follwoing link might be of interest to you:

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greece/History/G ... ilWar.html

we don't need any Greek or Turkish related links .......

any greek or turkish writer articles ...... or any greek or turkish reporter writings ... have a look most of the news writers at the international arena yhey have some family connections with cyprus ...have look reporter names or sirnames ....

It is a link depicting the history of The Greek Civil War!!

[Paphitis]

"When did Grivas collaborated with the Germans? Any links? "

It is a historical fact that Grivas was one of the founders of the X movement in Greece. Instead of leaving Greece after the German takeover and go to North Africa, as most of the Greek forces had done, he chose to stay.

During the occupation he led the X movement which was regarded by the Germans as a non entity and never officially adopted by them. After the liberation the X movement was used by the British against the communist former guerillas of EAM, during the civil war. During a meeting of right wing organizations in Athens, in 1943 under Captain Donald Stott, X participated and signed a joint agreement to harasss the retreating Germans and to stop the guerrillas from gaining power.

After the war Grivas tried to set up a political party and in the elections of 1946 and 1950 got less than one per cent of the vote.

Grivas was a passionate anticommunist, royalist, and pro.... British for most of his life as were his closest collaborators in Greece.

The follwoing link might be of interest to you:

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greece/History/G ... ilWar.html

I thought the American civil war was terrible. It pales into insignificance with the other Greek Trajedy/Civil war.

Was the link provided to help people judge where Grivas allegiances lay? Was he pro-German or was it pragmatic thing to do. (like receiving arms to kill your own people?). What a mess.

We all know that Grivas was anti communist, a Greek royalist, and pro British. In fact it was the British that funded this civil war.

So again, I wonder where the hell that Mr T is comming from!!

[halil]

just after the First World War was followed by a Greek Cypriot boycott of elections for the legislative council and local authorities in the island. In 1931 Greek Cypriot frustration erupted in violence. After the elections of that year - which the Greek Cypriots did contest - the Enotists strengthened their position on the legislative council and Nicodemus, the Bishop of Citium, issued an uncompromising Enotist manifesto urging that no obedience was due to the laws of a foreign ruler. Three days later Nicodemus made a speech inciting Cypriots to break the laws. The following evening - October 21 - rioting started in Nicosia. Dyonysios Kykkiotis, a chief priest, kissed the Greek flag, declared Enosis, and led the rioters to Government house, where they smashed windows and then threw in combustible materials, burning the building to the ground.
The rioting was halted with the arrival of two Royal Navy ships and the landing of troops from Egypt. The governor, Sir Ronal Storrs, then deported ten ringleaders, without warning, including Nicodemus and the Bishop of Kyrenia and two elected members of the legislative council. Six Cypriots had been killed and 30 wounded. The repression which followed was disproportionately severe. Two thousand islanders were imprisoned, the Greek Cypriots had to pay £66,000 for property destroyed in the main towns and 70 villages, the constitution was suspended, political parties were outlawed, the Press was censored, and the Governor ruled by decree.

Halil, stop it. You are doing all my work for me!! You are proving a most useful Turk!!

Re Bafidis. I had been stating from the beginning that Halil was impartial. Now do you believe me?

Deniz ,

Some of them so blind they can not see the truths .....at my previous writing I used such a word , ''I don't care what was happened 9000,400 years ago but I do care what was happened after 1960 ..... because we were solved out our problems and Independent Cyprus republic was born ....

Why you didn't satisfied with it ? U are ignored us , u never calculated that we will not agree , we wanted share power with u but u wanted use that power only for yourself ....Who were the EOKA or TMT men ....they were our own people .... Without public support they were nothing .....

I do blame firstly our GC friends than secondly i do blame ours . Because Deniz ....Makarios and CO's were the first ones who introduced 13 points and akritas plan ....They never realize this bloody island was big enough for all of us ....And BAFİDİ tries to defend all the time for me how braves were EOKA ...They should satisfied by ROC mate .....

[halil]

Yes u didn't satisfied with Turkish Cypriots partnership and vote rights in ROC and at the end EOKA ,Makorios ;Grivas and poor Cyprus and Cypriots ............. Are you happy now ?

[Paphitis]

just after the First World War was followed by a Greek Cypriot boycott of elections for the legislative council and local authorities in the island. In 1931 Greek Cypriot frustration erupted in violence. After the elections of that year - which the Greek Cypriots did contest - the Enotists strengthened their position on the legislative council and Nicodemus, the Bishop of Citium, issued an uncompromising Enotist manifesto urging that no obedience was due to the laws of a foreign ruler. Three days later Nicodemus made a speech inciting Cypriots to break the laws. The following evening - October 21 - rioting started in Nicosia. Dyonysios Kykkiotis, a chief priest, kissed the Greek flag, declared Enosis, and led the rioters to Government house, where they smashed windows and then threw in combustible materials, burning the building to the ground.
The rioting was halted with the arrival of two Royal Navy ships and the landing of troops from Egypt. The governor, Sir Ronal Storrs, then deported ten ringleaders, without warning, including Nicodemus and the Bishop of Kyrenia and two elected members of the legislative council. Six Cypriots had been killed and 30 wounded. The repression which followed was disproportionately severe. Two thousand islanders were imprisoned, the Greek Cypriots had to pay £66,000 for property destroyed in the main towns and 70 villages, the constitution was suspended, political parties were outlawed, the Press was censored, and the Governor ruled by decree.

Halil, stop it. You are doing all my work for me!! You are proving a most useful Turk!!

Re Bafidis. I had been stating from the beginning that Halil was impartial. Now do you believe me?

Deniz ,

Some of them so blind they can not see the truths .....at my previous writing I used such a word , ''I don't care what was happened 9000,400 years ago but I do care what was happened after 1960 ..... because we were solved out our problems and Independent Cyprus republic was born ....

Why you didn't satisfied with it ? U are ignored us , u never calculated that we will not agree , we wanted share power with u but u wanted use that power only for yourself ....Who were the EOKA or TMT men ....they were our own people .... Without public support they were nothing .....

I do blame firstly our GC friends than secondly i do blame ours . Because Deniz ....Makarios and CO's were the first ones who introduced 13 points and akritas plan ....They never realize this bloody island was big enough for all of us ....And BAFİDİ tries to defend all the time for me how braves were EOKA ...They should satisfied by ROC mate .....

The TCs were the first to start the inter communal conflict. They killed 8 unarmed GC men who were dropped off in a Turkish controlled area.

And what about the TC bombing of the Turkish embassy?

First signs of intercommunal conflict

The first signs of intercommunal conflict on the island appeared when the British conscripted Turkish Cypriots into the police force that patrolled Cyprus. Arif Hasan Tahsin a Turkish Cypriot that joined the Colonial police, a member of TMT and eventually rose as the number two in hierarchy of the Turkish Cypriots in his book[7] notes: "It is a fact that the Turks fought against Greek Cypriots not just because they wanted Enosis". EOKA would target colonial authorities including police men. Both British and Turkish police men would die in exchange of fire. The eventual death of Turkish Cypriot policemen were met with anti-Greek riots by the Turkish community while the British authorities would remained passive. Greek stores and neighborhoods would be burned and Greek civilians would be injured or killed. Such events created chaos and brought the communities apart both in Cyprus and in Turkey.[8]

On the 22nd of October 1957 Sir Hugh Mackintosh Foot replaced Sir John Harding as the British Governor of Cyprus. Foot suggested five to seven years of self-government before any final decision. His plan rejected both enosis and taksim. The Turkish Cypriot response to this plan was a series of anti-British demonstrations in Nicosia on 27th and 28th of January 1958 rejecting the proposed plan because the plan rejected partition. The British then withdrew the plan.

In June 1958 the British prime Minister Harold Macmillan was expected to proposed a plan to resolve the Cyprus issue. In light of the new development the Turks created fierce riots in Nicosia aiming to promote the idea that Greeks and Turks could not live together and therefore any plan that would promote that would not be viable, instead partition would be the only viable solution. This violence soon to be followed by bombing, Greek Cypriots deaths and looting of Greek owned stores and houses resulted in Greeks and Turks started to evade mixed populated villages that the respective were a minority in search of safety. This was effectively the beginning of segregation of the two communities.[9]. On the 7th of June 1958 a bomb exploded at the entrance of the Turkish Embassy in Cyprus. Following the bombing Turkish Cypriots looted Greek Cypriot properties. On June 26th 1984 the then Turkish Cypriot Leader, Rauf Denktaş, admitted on British channel ITV that the bomb was placed by the Turks themselves in order to create tension.[10]

History only starts in 1960 only for the Turks. The Turks only consider parts of history which suit them.

Iceman is right. Halil, you are very shallow!!

[bill cobbett]

just after the First World War was followed by a Greek Cypriot boycott of elections for the legislative council and local authorities in the island. In 1931 Greek Cypriot frustration erupted in violence. After the elections of that year - which the Greek Cypriots did contest - the Enotists strengthened their position on the legislative council and Nicodemus, the Bishop of Citium, issued an uncompromising Enotist manifesto urging that no obedience was due to the laws of a foreign ruler. Three days later Nicodemus made a speech inciting Cypriots to break the laws. The following evening - October 21 - rioting started in Nicosia. Dyonysios Kykkiotis, a chief priest, kissed the Greek flag, declared Enosis, and led the rioters to Government house, where they smashed windows and then threw in combustible materials, burning the building to the ground.
The rioting was halted with the arrival of two Royal Navy ships and the landing of troops from Egypt. The governor, Sir Ronal Storrs, then deported ten ringleaders, without warning, including Nicodemus and the Bishop of Kyrenia and two elected members of the legislative council. Six Cypriots had been killed and 30 wounded. The repression which followed was disproportionately severe. Two thousand islanders were imprisoned, the Greek Cypriots had to pay £66,000 for property destroyed in the main towns and 70 villages, the constitution was suspended, political parties were outlawed, the Press was censored, and the Governor ruled by decree.

Halil, stop it. You are doing all my work for me!! You are proving a most useful Turk!!

Re Bafidis. I had been stating from the beginning that Halil was impartial. Now do you believe me?

Deniz ,

Some of them so blind they can not see the truths .....at my previous writing I used such a word , ''I don't care what was happened 9000,400 years ago but I do care what was happened after 1960 ..... because we were solved out our problems and Independent Cyprus republic was born ....

Why you didn't satisfied with it ? U are ignored us , u never calculated that we will not agree , we wanted share power with u but u wanted use that power only for yourself ....Who were the EOKA or TMT men ....they were our own people .... Without public support they were nothing .....

I do blame firstly our GC friends than secondly i do blame ours . Because Deniz ....Makarios and CO's were the first ones who introduced 13 points and akritas plan ....They never realize this bloody island was big enough for all of us ....And BAF?D? tries to defend all the time for me how braves were EOKA ...They should satisfied by ROC mate .....

The TCs were the first to start the inter communal conflict. They killed 8 unarmed GC men who were dropped off in a Turkish controlled area.

And what about the TC bombing of the Turkish embassy?

First signs of intercommunal conflict

The first signs of intercommunal conflict on the island appeared when the British conscripted Turkish Cypriots into the police force that patrolled Cyprus. Arif Hasan Tahsin a Turkish Cypriot that joined the Colonial police, a member of TMT and eventually rose as the number two in hierarchy of the Turkish Cypriots in his book[7] notes: "It is a fact that the Turks fought against Greek Cypriots not just because they wanted Enosis". EOKA would target colonial authorities including police men. Both British and Turkish police men would die in exchange of fire. The eventual death of Turkish Cypriot policemen were met with anti-Greek riots by the Turkish community while the British authorities would remained passive. Greek stores and neighborhoods would be burned and Greek civilians would be injured or killed. Such events created chaos and brought the communities apart both in Cyprus and in Turkey.[8]

On the 22nd of October 1957 Sir Hugh Mackintosh Foot replaced Sir John Harding as the British Governor of Cyprus. Foot suggested five to seven years of self-government before any final decision. His plan rejected both enosis and taksim. The Turkish Cypriot response to this plan was a series of anti-British demonstrations in Nicosia on 27th and 28th of January 1958 rejecting the proposed plan because the plan rejected partition. The British then withdrew the plan.

In June 1958 the British prime Minister Harold Macmillan was expected to proposed a plan to resolve the Cyprus issue. In light of the new development the Turks created fierce riots in Nicosia aiming to promote the idea that Greeks and Turks could not live together and therefore any plan that would promote that would not be viable, instead partition would be the only viable solution. This violence soon to be followed by bombing, Greek Cypriots deaths and looting of Greek owned stores and houses resulted in Greeks and Turks started to evade mixed populated villages that the respective were a minority in search of safety. This was effectively the beginning of segregation of the two communities.[9]. On the 7th of June 1958 a bomb exploded at the entrance of the Turkish Embassy in Cyprus. Following the bombing Turkish Cypriots looted Greek Cypriot properties. On June 26th 1984 the then Turkish Cypriot Leader, Rauf Denkta?, admitted on British channel ITV that the bomb was placed by the Turks themselves in order to create tension.[10]

History only starts in 1960 only for the Turks. The Turks only consider parts of history which suit them.

Iceman is right. Halil, you are very shallow!!

A couple of mosques were bombed in the early sixties (I think it was) by agents-provocateurs in the hope that the blame would be put on to gcs and to raisie tensions. Presumably this was another action by the taksim seeking, terrorist organisation, TMT.

Here is a short self-explanatory extract on this from the Centre for Confict Resolution.

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In that period Cumhuriyet newspaper was launched in the Turkish Cypriot media. The newspaper was published by two young lawyers named Ayhan Hikmet and Muzaffer Gürkan. This newspaper supported the republic, in other words peace against nationalistic movements. However, these two young men could not continue for long time because they were killed by the underground organization as a result of the following event. Bayraktar mosque in the Greek part of Nicosia was bombed by the conflict provocateurs but blamed on the Greek. Their aim was to start a fight between the two communities by making use of the mosque bombing as propaganda. Cumhuriyet newspaper uncovered this plot and as soon as they came very close to revealing the real criminals, the two owners were killed.

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[denizaksulu]

just after the First World War was followed by a Greek Cypriot boycott of elections for the legislative council and local authorities in the island. In 1931 Greek Cypriot frustration erupted in violence. After the elections of that year - which the Greek Cypriots did contest - the Enotists strengthened their position on the legislative council and Nicodemus, the Bishop of Citium, issued an uncompromising Enotist manifesto urging that no obedience was due to the laws of a foreign ruler. Three days later Nicodemus made a speech inciting Cypriots to break the laws. The following evening - October 21 - rioting started in Nicosia. Dyonysios Kykkiotis, a chief priest, kissed the Greek flag, declared Enosis, and led the rioters to Government house, where they smashed windows and then threw in combustible materials, burning the building to the ground.
The rioting was halted with the arrival of two Royal Navy ships and the landing of troops from Egypt. The governor, Sir Ronal Storrs, then deported ten ringleaders, without warning, including Nicodemus and the Bishop of Kyrenia and two elected members of the legislative council. Six Cypriots had been killed and 30 wounded. The repression which followed was disproportionately severe. Two thousand islanders were imprisoned, the Greek Cypriots had to pay £66,000 for property destroyed in the main towns and 70 villages, the constitution was suspended, political parties were outlawed, the Press was censored, and the Governor ruled by decree.

Halil, stop it. You are doing all my work for me!! You are proving a most useful Turk!!

Re Bafidis. I had been stating from the beginning that Halil was impartial. Now do you believe me?

Deniz ,

Some of them so blind they can not see the truths .....at my previous writing I used such a word , ''I don't care what was happened 9000,400 years ago but I do care what was happened after 1960 ..... because we were solved out our problems and Independent Cyprus republic was born ....

Why you didn't satisfied with it ? U are ignored us , u never calculated that we will not agree , we wanted share power with u but u wanted use that power only for yourself ....Who were the EOKA or TMT men ....they were our own people .... Without public support they were nothing .....

I do blame firstly our GC friends than secondly i do blame ours . Because Deniz ....Makarios and CO's were the first ones who introduced 13 points and akritas plan ....They never realize this bloody island was big enough for all of us ....And BAFİDİ tries to defend all the time for me how braves were EOKA ...They should satisfied by ROC mate .....

The TCs were the first to start the inter communal conflict. They killed 8 unarmed GC men who were dropped off in a Turkish controlled area.

And what about the TC bombing of the Turkish embassy?

First signs of intercommunal conflict

The first signs of intercommunal conflict on the island appeared when the British conscripted Turkish Cypriots into the police force that patrolled Cyprus. Arif Hasan Tahsin a Turkish Cypriot that joined the Colonial police, a member of TMT and eventually rose as the number two in hierarchy of the Turkish Cypriots in his book[7] notes: "It is a fact that the Turks fought against Greek Cypriots not just because they wanted Enosis". EOKA would target colonial authorities including police men. Both British and Turkish police men would die in exchange of fire. The eventual death of Turkish Cypriot policemen were met with anti-Greek riots by the Turkish community while the British authorities would remained passive. Greek stores and neighborhoods would be burned and Greek civilians would be injured or killed. Such events created chaos and brought the communities apart both in Cyprus and in Turkey.[8]

On the 22nd of October 1957 Sir Hugh Mackintosh Foot replaced Sir John Harding as the British Governor of Cyprus. Foot suggested five to seven years of self-government before any final decision. His plan rejected both enosis and taksim. The Turkish Cypriot response to this plan was a series of anti-British demonstrations in Nicosia on 27th and 28th of January 1958 rejecting the proposed plan because the plan rejected partition. The British then withdrew the plan.

In June 1958 the British prime Minister Harold Macmillan was expected to proposed a plan to resolve the Cyprus issue. In light of the new development the Turks created fierce riots in Nicosia aiming to promote the idea that Greeks and Turks could not live together and therefore any plan that would promote that would not be viable, instead partition would be the only viable solution. This violence soon to be followed by bombing, Greek Cypriots deaths and looting of Greek owned stores and houses resulted in Greeks and Turks started to evade mixed populated villages that the respective were a minority in search of safety. This was effectively the beginning of segregation of the two communities.[9]. On the 7th of June 1958 a bomb exploded at the entrance of the Turkish Embassy in Cyprus. Following the bombing Turkish Cypriots looted Greek Cypriot properties. On June 26th 1984 the then Turkish Cypriot Leader, Rauf Denktaş, admitted on British channel ITV that the bomb was placed by the Turks themselves in order to create tension.[10]

History only starts in 1960 only for the Turks. The Turks only consider parts of history which suit them.

Iceman is right. Halil, you are very shallow!!

I will refer you to a post I posted somewhere today.

The blame game will get us evrywhere except a solution.