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[denizaksulu]

topic is EOKA not stamps .....

Nice one Halil Bey

And what does that have to do with EOKA you blithering old fools?

That was the year you Turks first Napalmed us .... 1964!

The topic is still EOKA. Keep your cool O. Your insults only show you up.

[RichardB]

The message is just as relevant today: "This plot of land is not for sale". The Greek Cypriots will never accept compensation for their stolen homes!

[Oracle]

topic is EOKA not stamps .....

Nice one Halil Bey

And what does that have to do with EOKA you blithering old fools?

That was the year you Turks first Napalmed us .... 1964!

The topic is still EOKA. Keep your cool O. Your insults only show you up.

So why did halil post a 1964 "cartoon"? .... your stupidity does you credit!

[zan]

The message is just as relevant today: "This plot of land is not for sale". The Greek Cypriots will never accept compensation for their stolen homes!

What do you think our stolen lives and the expulsion from my homeland is worth Richard???? I dare you to put a price on that.

[RichardB]

What do you think our stolen lives and the expulsion from my homeland is worth Richard???? I dare you to put a price on that.

Probably as much as 200 thousand others Zan

[zan]

What do you think our stolen lives and the expulsion from my homeland is worth Richard???? I dare you to put a price on that.

Probably as much as 200 thousand others Zan

When you can offer me life and country back then I will offer them theirs...This is not a one way street....

[RichardB]

What do you think our stolen lives and the expulsion from my homeland is worth Richard???? I dare you to put a price on that.

Probably as much as 200 thousand others Zan

Sorry Zan that was a bit uncalled for on my part

Too many people have lost too many things (My wifes family included Thats why I get a bit riled sometimes)

[zan]

What do you think our stolen lives and the expulsion from my homeland is worth Richard???? I dare you to put a price on that.

Probably as much as 200 thousand others Zan

Sorry Zan that was a bit uncalled for on my part

Too many people have lost too many things (My wifes family included Thats why I get a bit riled sometimes)

No probs Richard...I was a bit surprised actually....I am sorry for their loss as I am sure they are for mine but unfortunately this is the way it is.

[Mr. T]

Searching the web it was strange to see a GC's nationalists entry that 198 EOKA fighters died bearing in mind the supposed 300 members only figure toted about on the forum.

Mind you as numerous GC's make up facts all the time, on searching the web it was not strange to see the true numbers much higher at between 1,000 and 1,250. Similarly the British forces numbers including the pay corps. administrators etc are much lower that quoted.

It is also interesting that as well as killing British civilians, women and a soldiers sonincluded EOKA killed more GC's that British forces members, often just because of their different political beliefs or because they were deemed to be against their cause.

A summary from a third part website follows,nothing to do with Britain, Greece or Turkey. It is apparent that EOKA whose numbers on various websites are quoted variously between 1,000 and 1,250 rather than the 300 toted on this forum were happy to kill those with different political views and those deemed to be against their cause.


' EOKA (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston)

EOKA [Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston - National Organization of Cypriot Fighters] started a guerrilla campaign against British colonial rule aimed at self-determination and union with Greece (Enosis)on 01 April 1955. The campaign, which started when the first EOKA bombs exploded at 00.30 hours on 1st of April 1955, lasted until 1959 and caused the death of more Greek Cypriot civilians than the total of British killed. It created civil strife and mistrust between the two Cypriot communities. Tension increased in early 1957, when EOKA attacked Turkish police and auxiliaries. EOKA received direct support from Greece in money, arms, organization and propaganda. Greek-speaking Cypriots were awed by EOKA terrorists and subject to bombardment by Athens radio. Under a 1959 compromise settlement known as Zurich-London agreements, Cyprus became an independent Republic in 1960. Since then, April 1 is a national holiday. It was celebrated in memorial services in Churches and gatherings in cities and villages in the free part of Cyprus.
EOKA-B emerged twice, in 1963 and 1974, in collaboration and cooperation with Greece, to attack the Turkish Cypriots, one of the two co-founding partners of the Republic of Cyprus, with the aim of uniting the Island with Greece.
Between 1969 and 1971, several groups embarked on a renewed terrorist campaign for enosis. Grivas returned clandestinely to Cyprus sometime in the late summer or early fall of 1971 and set up a new guerilla organization, the national Organizaiton of Cypriot Fighters (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agonistm B--EOKA B). Most members of the terrorist movement held regular jobs in the Greek Cypriot community; half were police officials and members of the National Guard.
There was also considerable evidence of support of EOKA B activities by the Greek junta, whose hostility to Makarios became increasingly apparent during the early 1970s. The junta was believed to be involved in several attempts on the life of President Makarios. In March 1970, Makarios narrowly escaped death when his helicopter was shot down. Makarios walked away from the crash, but his pilot was killed. Former minister of the interior Polykarpos Georkajis, in contact with local right-wing groups and the junta in Athens, was thought to be implicated, and was assassinated shortly afterward. A paramilitary presidential guard loyal to Makarios, called the Tactical Police Reserve, was organized in 1972. Consisting of fewer than 1,000 men, the Tactical Police Reserve succeeded in arresting large numbers of EOKA B guerrillas. In a further attempt to bring subversive forces under control, Makarios dismissed many National Guard and police officers suspected of EOKA B activity.
With the death of Grivas from a heart attack in January 1974, EOKA B came more directly under the control of the military junta in Athens, which, after a change of leadership, was even more hostile to Makarios. The archbishop, however, saw the Greekofficered National Guard as a more serious threat to his government than EOKA B. In a letter to the Greek president in early July, he accused the junta of attempting to subvert the government of Cyprus through the Greek officers of the National Guard, who in turn supported the terrorist activities of EOKA B. Makarion demanded immediate removal of the 650 Greek officers staffing the National Guard and their replacement by 100 instructors who would help reorganize the Greek Cypriot force.
The reply to the Makarios challenge came on 15 July 1974 in the form of a coup d'état led by Greek officers in the National Guard, under orders from Athens. The fierce fighting that broke out resulted in casualties estimated at over 500, but the lightly armed Tactical Police Reserve and irregular pro-Makarios units were no match for the heavily armed National Guardsmen and the EOKA B irregulars. Narrowly escaping capture when the presidential palace was bombarded, Makarios was flown to London from the Sovereyn Base Area at Akrotiri. Former EOKA gunman and convicted murderer Nicos Sampson, notorious for his brutality in the 1950s and 1960s, was proclaimed president. As Makarios had foreseen, but the Greek military leaders did not, Turkey reacted forcibly to the coup by landing a large number of troops on the northern coast of Cyprus. As a result, both the insurrectionary government in Cyprus and the military dictatorship in Greece fell from power. '

Mr T

You have given NO link to the credible sources which claim 1000-1200 Members of EOKA

Most of the above post concerns EOKA 'B'

have you actually done any research into the differences between EOKA and EOKA 'B'

Does it really surprise you that EOKA attacked Turkish Police and auxiliaries, Who were the puppets at the end of the British strings

I'll take the uphill Road
Θα πάρω μιαν ανηφοριά,
Θα πάρω μονοπάτια,
να βρω τα σκαλοπάτια,
που παν στη Λευτεριά.


Θ' αφήσω αδέλφια συγγενείς,
την μάνα, τον πατέρα,
μεσ' τα λαγκάδια πέρα,
και στις βουνοπλαγιές.


Ψάχνοντας για τη λευτεριά,
θα 'χω παρέα μόνη,
κατάλευκο το χιόνι,
βουνά και ρεματιές,


Τώρα κι αν είναι χειμωνιά,
θα 'ρθει το καλοκαίρι,
τη λευτεριά να φέρει,
σε πόλεις και χωριά,


Θα πάρω μιαν ανηφοριά,
θα πάρω μονοπάτια,
να βρω τα σκαλοπάτια,
που παν' στη Λευτεριά,


Τα σκαλοπάτια θ' ανεβώ,
θα μπω σ' ένα παλάτι,
το ξέρω θα 'ν' απάτη,
δεν θά 'ναι αληθινό,


Μες το παλάτι θα γυρνώ,
ώσπου να βρω το θρόνο,
βασίλισσα μια μόνο,
να κάθεται σ' αυτόν,


Κόρη πανώρια θα της πω ,
άνοιξε τα φτερά σου,
και πάρε με κοντά σου,
μονάχα αυτό ζητώ,


Γεια σας παλιοί συμμαθηταί!
Τα τελευταία λόγια τα γράφω σήμερα για σας.
Κι όποιος θελήσει για να βρει έναν χαμένο αδελφό,
έναν παλιό του φίλο,


Ας πάρη μιαν ανηφοριά,
ας πάρη μονοπάτια,
να βρή τα σκαλοπάτια,
που παν στη Λευτεριά.


5 December 1955 - Evagoras Pallikaridis

Retrieved from "http://wiki.phantis.com/index.php/Evagoras_Pallikaridis"

My Greek is not too good , Perhaps someone would be so kind as to translate the above

I ask again all members of this forum

"If your country was under occupation rule - where would you be? Cowering under the blankets? or risk being called 'a terrorist'"

Cos if fighting for your rights as a free man is being a terrorist- then count me as a terrorist

If you mean cowering under blankets in Cyprus you would be in a mental hospital. If you were reasonable and sane you would not have long to wait for peaceful independence.

Otherwise you could become a terrorist cowardly killing women,children and unarmed men followed by events caused by you and those of a similar ilk culminating in Turkey coming to the aid of the TC's in 1974.

Mr T
Quote

You have given NO link to the credible sources which claim 1000-1200 Members of EOKA

I note that you like links. If I come across the link again I will let you know.
Most of the above post concerns EOKA 'B'

I realise this but both were terrorist organisations

have you actually done any research into the differences between EOKA and EOKA 'B'

Only that I lived in Cyprus in the early 60s and and have kept in touch with subsequent events.
Does it really surprise you that EOKA attacked Turkish Police and auxiliaries, Who were the puppets at the end of the British strings

No I am far from surprised. After all these terrorists were adept at killing women, children and unarmed men be they British, Irish, Maltese,Greek or Turkish.

[RichardB]

Searching the web it was strange to see a GC's nationalists entry that 198 EOKA fighters died bearing in mind the supposed 300 members only figure toted about on the forum.

Mind you as numerous GC's make up facts all the time, on searching the web it was not strange to see the true numbers much higher at between 1,000 and 1,250. Similarly the British forces numbers including the pay corps. administrators etc are much lower that quoted.

It is also interesting that as well as killing British civilians, women and a soldiers sonincluded EOKA killed more GC's that British forces members, often just because of their different political beliefs or because they were deemed to be against their cause.

A summary from a third part website follows,nothing to do with Britain, Greece or Turkey. It is apparent that EOKA whose numbers on various websites are quoted variously between 1,000 and 1,250 rather than the 300 toted on this forum were happy to kill those with different political views and those deemed to be against their cause.


' EOKA (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston)

EOKA [Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston - National Organization of Cypriot Fighters] started a guerrilla campaign against British colonial rule aimed at self-determination and union with Greece (Enosis)on 01 April 1955. The campaign, which started when the first EOKA bombs exploded at 00.30 hours on 1st of April 1955, lasted until 1959 and caused the death of more Greek Cypriot civilians than the total of British killed. It created civil strife and mistrust between the two Cypriot communities. Tension increased in early 1957, when EOKA attacked Turkish police and auxiliaries. EOKA received direct support from Greece in money, arms, organization and propaganda. Greek-speaking Cypriots were awed by EOKA terrorists and subject to bombardment by Athens radio. Under a 1959 compromise settlement known as Zurich-London agreements, Cyprus became an independent Republic in 1960. Since then, April 1 is a national holiday. It was celebrated in memorial services in Churches and gatherings in cities and villages in the free part of Cyprus.
EOKA-B emerged twice, in 1963 and 1974, in collaboration and cooperation with Greece, to attack the Turkish Cypriots, one of the two co-founding partners of the Republic of Cyprus, with the aim of uniting the Island with Greece.
Between 1969 and 1971, several groups embarked on a renewed terrorist campaign for enosis. Grivas returned clandestinely to Cyprus sometime in the late summer or early fall of 1971 and set up a new guerilla organization, the national Organizaiton of Cypriot Fighters (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agonistm B--EOKA B). Most members of the terrorist movement held regular jobs in the Greek Cypriot community; half were police officials and members of the National Guard.
There was also considerable evidence of support of EOKA B activities by the Greek junta, whose hostility to Makarios became increasingly apparent during the early 1970s. The junta was believed to be involved in several attempts on the life of President Makarios. In March 1970, Makarios narrowly escaped death when his helicopter was shot down. Makarios walked away from the crash, but his pilot was killed. Former minister of the interior Polykarpos Georkajis, in contact with local right-wing groups and the junta in Athens, was thought to be implicated, and was assassinated shortly afterward. A paramilitary presidential guard loyal to Makarios, called the Tactical Police Reserve, was organized in 1972. Consisting of fewer than 1,000 men, the Tactical Police Reserve succeeded in arresting large numbers of EOKA B guerrillas. In a further attempt to bring subversive forces under control, Makarios dismissed many National Guard and police officers suspected of EOKA B activity.
With the death of Grivas from a heart attack in January 1974, EOKA B came more directly under the control of the military junta in Athens, which, after a change of leadership, was even more hostile to Makarios. The archbishop, however, saw the Greekofficered National Guard as a more serious threat to his government than EOKA B. In a letter to the Greek president in early July, he accused the junta of attempting to subvert the government of Cyprus through the Greek officers of the National Guard, who in turn supported the terrorist activities of EOKA B. Makarion demanded immediate removal of the 650 Greek officers staffing the National Guard and their replacement by 100 instructors who would help reorganize the Greek Cypriot force.
The reply to the Makarios challenge came on 15 July 1974 in the form of a coup d'état led by Greek officers in the National Guard, under orders from Athens. The fierce fighting that broke out resulted in casualties estimated at over 500, but the lightly armed Tactical Police Reserve and irregular pro-Makarios units were no match for the heavily armed National Guardsmen and the EOKA B irregulars. Narrowly escaping capture when the presidential palace was bombarded, Makarios was flown to London from the Sovereyn Base Area at Akrotiri. Former EOKA gunman and convicted murderer Nicos Sampson, notorious for his brutality in the 1950s and 1960s, was proclaimed president. As Makarios had foreseen, but the Greek military leaders did not, Turkey reacted forcibly to the coup by landing a large number of troops on the northern coast of Cyprus. As a result, both the insurrectionary government in Cyprus and the military dictatorship in Greece fell from power. '

Mr T

You have given NO link to the credible sources which claim 1000-1200 Members of EOKA

Most of the above post concerns EOKA 'B'

have you actually done any research into the differences between EOKA and EOKA 'B'

Does it really surprise you that EOKA attacked Turkish Police and auxiliaries, Who were the puppets at the end of the British strings

I'll take the uphill Road
Θα πάρω μιαν ανηφοριά,
Θα πάρω μονοπάτια,
να βρω τα σκαλοπάτια,
που παν στη Λευτεριά.


Θ' αφήσω αδέλφια συγγενείς,
την μάνα, τον πατέρα,
μεσ' τα λαγκάδια πέρα,
και στις βουνοπλαγιές.


Ψάχνοντας για τη λευτεριά,
θα 'χω παρέα μόνη,
κατάλευκο το χιόνι,
βουνά και ρεματιές,


Τώρα κι αν είναι χειμωνιά,
θα 'ρθει το καλοκαίρι,
τη λευτεριά να φέρει,
σε πόλεις και χωριά,


Θα πάρω μιαν ανηφοριά,
θα πάρω μονοπάτια,
να βρω τα σκαλοπάτια,
που παν' στη Λευτεριά,


Τα σκαλοπάτια θ' ανεβώ,
θα μπω σ' ένα παλάτι,
το ξέρω θα 'ν' απάτη,
δεν θά 'ναι αληθινό,


Μες το παλάτι θα γυρνώ,
ώσπου να βρω το θρόνο,
βασίλισσα μια μόνο,
να κάθεται σ' αυτόν,


Κόρη πανώρια θα της πω ,
άνοιξε τα φτερά σου,
και πάρε με κοντά σου,
μονάχα αυτό ζητώ,


Γεια σας παλιοί συμμαθηταί!
Τα τελευταία λόγια τα γράφω σήμερα για σας.
Κι όποιος θελήσει για να βρει έναν χαμένο αδελφό,
έναν παλιό του φίλο,


Ας πάρη μιαν ανηφοριά,
ας πάρη μονοπάτια,
να βρή τα σκαλοπάτια,
που παν στη Λευτεριά.


5 December 1955 - Evagoras Pallikaridis

Retrieved from "http://wiki.phantis.com/index.php/Evagoras_Pallikaridis"

My Greek is not too good , Perhaps someone would be so kind as to translate the above

I ask again all members of this forum

"If your country was under occupation rule - where would you be? Cowering under the blankets? or risk being called 'a terrorist'"

Cos if fighting for your rights as a free man is being a terrorist- then count me as a terrorist

[color=red]If you mean cowering under blankets in Cyprus you would be in a mental hospital. If you were reasonable and sane you would not have long to wait for peaceful independence.

Otherwise you could become a terrorist cowardly killing women,children and unarmed men followed by events caused by you and those of a similar ilk culminating in Turkey coming to the aid of the TC's in 1974.[/color]

Mr T
Quote

You have given NO link to the credible sources which claim 1000-1200 Members of EOKA

I note that you like links. If I come across the link again I will let you know.
Most of the above post concerns EOKA 'B'

I realise this but both were terrorist organisations

have you actually done any research into the differences between EOKA and EOKA 'B'

Only that I lived in Cyprus in the early 60s and and have kept in touch with subsequent events.
Does it really surprise you that EOKA attacked Turkish Police and auxiliaries, Who were the puppets at the end of the British strings

No I am far from surprised. After all these terrorists were adept at killing women, children and unarmed men be they British, Irish, Maltese,Greek or Turkish.

[color=red]If you mean cowering under blankets in Cyprus you would be in a mental hospital. If you were reasonable and sane you would not have long to wait for peaceful independence.

Otherwise you could become a terrorist cowardly killing women,children and unarmed men followed by events caused by you and those of a similar ilk culminating in Turkey coming to the aid of the TC's in 1974.[/color

I have worked in the Mental health sector for the last 9 years . The posts you make are obviously suffering from DP syndrom

I note that you like links. If I come across the link again I will let you know.

How can you 'Lose a link??'

I realise this but both were terrorist organisations

But with totally different aims and objectives- Do you know the difference??

Only that I lived in Cyprus in the early 60s and and have kept in touch with subsequent events.

The same as half a million others - Which events have you kept up with ? - because its obviously not the political situation otherwise you would not be posting such a lot of shit

No I am far from surprised. After all these terrorists were adept at killing women, children and unarmed men be they British, Irish, Maltese,Greek or Turkish.

As has been already pointed out to you ' Your figures regarding the situation are totaly untrue I would suggest you go away for a short while and when you come back having done your research post a realistic view of things