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[Paphitis]

Although a very good subject to discuss it looks like you've all given Mr T a little too much attention, considering his capabilities as a simple firestarter with no logical points to back up any of his arguments on this forum to date.

Halil, if a TC's history only began in 1960 then there is no way you are in any position to understand what 80% of the inhabitants of this island need to feel secure in a new solution.

Thanks GR!

We will ask him to back up his posts with proper reputable links and sources next time.

I'm a little insulted there re Paphiti

Re, did you need 28 minutes to think of that reply?

Ya know that I am trained in interrogation techniques.

I have vays in fvindingk tha truuth!

Ate, come clean re Koumbare!

[DT.]

Although a very good subject to discuss it looks like you've all given Mr T a little too much attention, considering his capabilities as a simple firestarter with no logical points to back up any of his arguments on this forum to date.

Halil, if a TC's history only began in 1960 then there is no way you are in any position to understand what 80% of the inhabitants of this island need to feel secure in a new solution.

Thanks GR!

We will ask him to back up his posts with proper reputable links and sources next time.

I'm a little insulted there re Paphiti

Re, did you need 28 minutes to think of that reply?

Ya know that I am trained in interrogation techniques.

I have vays in fvindingk tha truuth!

Ate, come clean re Koumbare!

Lay down the 8.55 Euros (pentoliro) for the koumbarliki first and then we'll discuss.

[halil]

Halil, if a TC's history only began in 1960 then there is no way you are in any position to understand what 80% of the inhabitants of this island need to feel secure in a new solution.

DT, my dear friend you want to hear once more my History than ....

we all need secure my dear friend ! your history start from 74 !

here is the my history


The international treaties of 1960, by prohibiting Enosis or Partition, restricted the independence of Cyprus . Not a nation, but a bi-national partnership state was created in 1960.

serious differences arose between the two communities about the implementation and interpretation of the constitution. The Greek Cypriots argued that the complex mechanisms introduced to protect Turkish Cypriot interests were obstacles to efficient government. On 30 November 1963 , President Makarios advanced a series of constitutional amendments designed to eliminate some of these special provisions named “13 Points”. The Turkish Cypriots opposed such changes. The confrontation prompted widespread intercommunal fighting in December 1963, after which Turkish Cypriot participation in the central government ceased.

On 4 March 1964 , after the brutal Greek Cypriot attacks on the Turkish Cypriot community, the United Nations Security Council adopted a resolution (186), which provided stationing a United Nations Peace Keeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP). The aim was “to use its best efforts to prevent a recurrence of fighting and as necessary, to contribute to the maintenance and restoration of law and order and a return to normal conditions.
Although the Republic of Cyprus, founded in 1960, ended in 1963, when the Greek organs of government, administration and legislation proceeded to disregard the Turkish participatory rights as guaranteed by the Constitution of 1960, in the same resolution mentioned above (Resolution 186 of 1964), UN Security Council referred to the Government of Cyprus in a way which implied that the government manned only now by the Greek Cypriots, was the legitimate Government of Cyprus. Since then, the Greek Cypriots continue to usurp the titles of the bi-communal state. In fact, they are ‘the government of a state whose territory is restricted to the southern part of Cyprus and whose people are restricted to the Greek Cypriots living there’ (Heinze, 1997: 187). The Republic of Cyprus of today was created
when between 1963 and 1974, Greek organs of the Republic of Cyprus and parts thereof and new organs founded by these or by Greek Cypriots, seized power over a part of the island’s territory in a revolutionary process. They ceased to recognize fundamental parts of the Constitution of Cyprus of 1960 and ...separated themselves, and the Greek community from the Republic of Cyprus (Heinze, 1997: 188-89).
Unfortunately, the arrival of UNFICYP did not prevent Greek attacks on Turkish Cypriots and 1964-1974 period had been a harsh period for the Turkish side. For them, those years were marked by injustice, oppression, violence and discrimination. In 1967, the situation deteriorated, when a military junta seized power in Greece . In that year, Greek Cypriot House of Representatives unanimously passed a resolution, declaring that their struggle in Cyprus will continue until the union of Cyprus with Greece is achieved and they continued their attacks against Turkish Cypriots to force them to accept ENOSIS. No effort of UNFICYP was enough to halt the Greek Cypriot atrocities.
All these events forced the Turkish Cypriots to organize their own national administration and this resulted in establishing the provisional Turkish Cypriot Administration, on 28 December 1967 . Up to the year 1974, both communities led a political life of their own.
In 1974, the attempted genocide against the Turkish Cypriots was repeated once more. On 15 July 1974 , a coup d’etat, led by Greek officers took place. The coup was organized by the military junta then ruling Greece , with the aim of overthrowing Makarios, the President of the Republic of Cyprus , and setting up a government, that would unite the island with Greece .

[Paphitis]

Although a very good subject to discuss it looks like you've all given Mr T a little too much attention, considering his capabilities as a simple firestarter with no logical points to back up any of his arguments on this forum to date.

Halil, if a TC's history only began in 1960 then there is no way you are in any position to understand what 80% of the inhabitants of this island need to feel secure in a new solution.

Thanks GR!

We will ask him to back up his posts with proper reputable links and sources next time.

I'm a little insulted there re Paphiti

Re, did you need 28 minutes to think of that reply?

Ya know that I am trained in interrogation techniques.

I have vays in fvindingk tha truuth!

Ate, come clean re Koumbare!

Lay down the 8.55 Euros (pentoliro) for the koumbarliki first and then we'll discuss.

Koumbarliki in Oz is free of charge.

[DT.]

Halil, if a TC's history only began in 1960 then there is no way you are in any position to understand what 80% of the inhabitants of this island need to feel secure in a new solution.

DT, my dear friend you want to hear once more my History than ....

we all need secure my dear friend ! your history start from 74 !

here is the my history


The international treaties of 1960, by prohibiting Enosis or Partition, restricted the independence of Cyprus . Not a nation, but a bi-national partnership state was created in 1960.

serious differences arose between the two communities about the implementation and interpretation of the constitution. The Greek Cypriots argued that the complex mechanisms introduced to protect Turkish Cypriot interests were obstacles to efficient government. On 30 November 1963 , President Makarios advanced a series of constitutional amendments designed to eliminate some of these special provisions named “13 Points”. The Turkish Cypriots opposed such changes. The confrontation prompted widespread intercommunal fighting in December 1963, after which Turkish Cypriot participation in the central government ceased.

On 4 March 1964 , after the brutal Greek Cypriot attacks on the Turkish Cypriot community, the United Nations Security Council adopted a resolution (186), which provided stationing a United Nations Peace Keeping Force in Cyprus (UNFICYP). The aim was “to use its best efforts to prevent a recurrence of fighting and as necessary, to contribute to the maintenance and restoration of law and order and a return to normal conditions.
Although the Republic of Cyprus, founded in 1960, ended in 1963, when the Greek organs of government, administration and legislation proceeded to disregard the Turkish participatory rights as guaranteed by the Constitution of 1960, in the same resolution mentioned above (Resolution 186 of 1964), UN Security Council referred to the Government of Cyprus in a way which implied that the government manned only now by the Greek Cypriots, was the legitimate Government of Cyprus. Since then, the Greek Cypriots continue to usurp the titles of the bi-communal state. In fact, they are ‘the government of a state whose territory is restricted to the southern part of Cyprus and whose people are restricted to the Greek Cypriots living there’ (Heinze, 1997: 187). The Republic of Cyprus of today was created
when between 1963 and 1974, Greek organs of the Republic of Cyprus and parts thereof and new organs founded by these or by Greek Cypriots, seized power over a part of the island’s territory in a revolutionary process. They ceased to recognize fundamental parts of the Constitution of Cyprus of 1960 and ...separated themselves, and the Greek community from the Republic of Cyprus (Heinze, 1997: 188-89).
Unfortunately, the arrival of UNFICYP did not prevent Greek attacks on Turkish Cypriots and 1964-1974 period had been a harsh period for the Turkish side. For them, those years were marked by injustice, oppression, violence and discrimination. In 1967, the situation deteriorated, when a military junta seized power in Greece . In that year, Greek Cypriot House of Representatives unanimously passed a resolution, declaring that their struggle in Cyprus will continue until the union of Cyprus with Greece is achieved and they continued their attacks against Turkish Cypriots to force them to accept ENOSIS. No effort of UNFICYP was enough to halt the Greek Cypriot atrocities.
All these events forced the Turkish Cypriots to organize their own national administration and this resulted in establishing the provisional Turkish Cypriot Administration, on 28 December 1967 . Up to the year 1974, both communities led a political life of their own.
In 1974, the attempted genocide against the Turkish Cypriots was repeated once more. On 15 July 1974 , a coup d’etat, led by Greek officers took place. The coup was organized by the military junta then ruling Greece , with the aim of overthrowing Makarios, the President of the Republic of Cyprus , and setting up a government, that would unite the island with Greece .

Not a nation, but a bi-national partnership state was created in 1960.

You can begin by explaining to me what a bi-national state is? http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries ... dex_en.htm

The type of state is described in the UN and EU as a Republic not a Bi-national state. Please show me where it says on the constitution that it is a bi-national state.

Actually it says
Article 1 []
The State of Cyprus is an independent and sovereign Republic with a presidential regime


You can then proceed to provide me evidence on this attempted genocide of the TC's when Rauf Denktash was quoted as saying " This has nothing to do with us but is a matter for the Greeks" (much to Turkey's anger)

In 1974, the attempted genocide against the Turkish Cypriots was repeated once more.

The only killings of TC's had began AFTER the invasion began.

i shall deal with the rest a little later but we can start with these.

[Mr. T]

British terrorists not frustrated religious loners:

MI5 report

London, Aug 21 (ANI): British terrorists are just as likely to be married with children and have little religious background as they are to be fundamentalist loners, a leaked MI5 study has said.

Research from the security service found it was impossible to draw up a typical profile of a “British Terrorist” contradicting the perception that all are traditional religious fanatics or Islamic fundamentalists, The Telegraph reported.

The classified report on radicalisation concluded there is no single pathway to violent extremism and no easy way to identify those who would become involved in terrorism in Britain.

Source: Wordpress

I, for one, had already read this. Pleased to see you don't call them freedom fighters.

I don't euphemise, as you know. But I am still waiting to see how all this fits into Cyprus Problem .....

Don't be shy or are you saying you don't recognise the numerous killings of civilians such as the school teaacher I mentioned?

How about Catherine Cutliffe?

So Mr "Tosser",

Do not come here and start talking big about how The British were dealt with in Cyprus during our campaign for self determination and freedom which you tried to prevent in a most barbaric way. Cyprus still has the scars of your "Divide and Rule", policy to this very day.

Never ever degrade the memory of our fallen heroes such as Evagoras Pallikaridis, for he is more of a man, than what you or I will ever become. I for one will also not degrade your fallen, both soldier and civilian, as may they too rest in peace.

You are also held to account for the numerous war crimes and for the killing of thousands of innocent and unarmed civilians that you are responsible for in numerous military encounters of your much loved and perceived "perfect" country.

So on ya bike fella, and remember if you try to pull this shit again, I will once again deal with you in the manner you deserve.

Just a quick visit to this site so I will respond to your various verbage later but your silly name callings such as Mr. Tosser normally get left in behind in the primary school playground. They don't impress anyone but the dim-witted such as Floda whose abilities seem to have finally advanced to such levels too.

So you have dealt with me have you! I am trembling in my boots. Perhaps you would like to bravely shoot me in the back.

Such a comment shows you to be full of your own self-importance and having a mammoth overestimation of your abilities.
In fact the following also admirably show that you also suffer from;
self-deception
self-delusion
self-admiration
self-denial
but unfortunately not self-deprecation which is a much nicer trait.

[DT.]

British terrorists not frustrated religious loners:

MI5 report

London, Aug 21 (ANI): British terrorists are just as likely to be married with children and have little religious background as they are to be fundamentalist loners, a leaked MI5 study has said.

Research from the security service found it was impossible to draw up a typical profile of a “British Terrorist” contradicting the perception that all are traditional religious fanatics or Islamic fundamentalists, The Telegraph reported.

The classified report on radicalisation concluded there is no single pathway to violent extremism and no easy way to identify those who would become involved in terrorism in Britain.

Source: Wordpress

I, for one, had already read this. Pleased to see you don't call them freedom fighters.

I don't euphemise, as you know. But I am still waiting to see how all this fits into Cyprus Problem .....

Don't be shy or are you saying you don't recognise the numerous killings of civilians such as the school teaacher I mentioned?

How about Catherine Cutliffe?

So Mr "Tosser",

Do not come here and start talking big about how The British were dealt with in Cyprus during our campaign for self determination and freedom which you tried to prevent in a most barbaric way. Cyprus still has the scars of your "Divide and Rule", policy to this very day.

Never ever degrade the memory of our fallen heroes such as Evagoras Pallikaridis, for he is more of a man, than what you or I will ever become. I for one will also not degrade your fallen, both soldier and civilian, as may they too rest in peace.

You are also held to account for the numerous war crimes and for the killing of thousands of innocent and unarmed civilians that you are responsible for in numerous military encounters of your much loved and perceived "perfect" country.

So on ya bike fella, and remember if you try to pull this shit again, I will once again deal with you in the manner you deserve.

Just a quick visit to this site so I will respond to your various verbage later but your silly name callings such as Mr. Tosser normally get left in behind in the primary school playground. They don't impress anyone but the dim-witted such as Floda whose abilities seem to have finally advanced to such levels too.

So you have dealt with me have you! I am trembling in my boots. Perhaps you would like to bravely shoot me in the back.

Such a comment shows you to be full of your own self-importance and having a mammoth overestimation of your abilities.
In fact the following also admirably show that you also suffer from;
self-deception
self-delusion
self-admiration
self-denial
but unfortunately not self-deprecation which is a much nicer trait.

Another great post by Mr T

The depth of this man has no end.

[utu]

Although a very good subject to discuss it looks like you've all given Mr T a little too much attention, considering his capabilities as a simple firestarter with no logical points to back up any of his arguments on this forum to date.

The first thing that goes out the window when it comes to civil war is logic. Warren Harding (29th U.S. President) once said "Never do an immoral thing for a moral reason". People can talk all they like about the heroism of EOKA and TMT, but a lot of innocents were caught up in the conflict, and that is something that should not be swept under the carpet.

[BC Numismatics]

From terrorist ...



... to prisoner ....





.... to President ....




..... to Nobel Peace Prize ...

Oracle,
Nelson Mandela was no terrorist.He was a freedom fighter,just like the Protestant Loyalists of Ulster (Northern Ireland) were & are!

Aidan.

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

From terrorist ...



... to prisoner ....





.... to President ....




..... to Nobel Peace Prize ...

Oracle,
Nelson Mandela was no terrorist.He was a freedom fighter,just like the Protestant Loyalists of Ulster (Northern Ireland) were & are!

Aidan.

Is that what we call cowards that lined up to spit at Catholic children that had to go to protestant majority schools??? Yeah if thats what makes a freedom fighter someone that can even torment children, then yes the ulsters are freedom fighters.