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[bill cobbett]

Guys, Guys Guys, This Mr T person is just a WUM, he has nothing to offer but to make trouble, just like his colonial fore fathers.

Don't even both telling him any truths as he will just twist it all and throw it back in your faces.

Only one way to deal with these types. Ignore them, they will just go away.

hade kanei ton.

Judging by your face P something must have been thrown at it !!

I think it's quite an attractive and distinctive avastar.

[Magnus]

OK .... British were supplying the guns to Turkish Cypriots .....

From where the Greek Cypriots were getting their guns .... who were their supporters ?

you have a habit just blaming others all the times . This bloody island was big enough for everybody .

where did you get those T34 tanks and artillery's , which they are in display at Karavas open museum now (At north Cyprus).

what for you were getting those guns at 64 's ?

poor TC's were only equipped with old English ruffles ... or hunting guns at 63-64 .....

what for was those heavy guns ...weren't they too much for inter communal fights .

What for Greek troops from Greece came to Cyprus with numbers more than 10000 . they were all before 74 mates .....

what kind of the freedom fighters they were ? for ENOSİS .....
Than what you were waiting from us (Tc's) to do ...... join up with you for unite with Greece !!!!! Our fathers ,brothers .uncles ....etc....etc .... didn't agree with you on this one ..... What is left out afterwards ...... just bang ....bang ...bang !!!!!

If you were really after the freedom of the island you should not have ENOSİS idea or dream ....than may be Cyprus will be in different position now .....

I know you can find many excuses for my writing now ...that's what u do always .....

Always others are quilt and u are innocent ...... U never saying how GC's community was well come when the first British forces came to Cyprus .How you were happy .....

You never say how many of you got businesses in UK and getting benefits of UK ..... how those people are well come to you in your worse days ....try to say sometimes Thanks to god !

British troops were the first ones who established peace forces in Cyprus they safe the lots of TC's and GC's innocent peoples life.

Halil, with respect, if you read my post carefully you will see that I do not blame TCs. I was telling this person what British officers were doing to cause trouble between GCs and TCs. We always blame Greece and Turkey but there were other countries manipulating GCs and TCs too, turning us against each other.

The things I have stated are all fact and are all verifiable by British govenment documents available at the Public Records Office in London.

[miltiades]

Guys, Guys Guys, This Mr T person is just a WUM, he has nothing to offer but to make trouble, just like his colonial fore fathers.

Don't even both telling him any truths as he will just twist it all and throw it back in your faces.

Only one way to deal with these types. Ignore them, they will just go away.

hade kanei ton.

Judging by your face P something must have been thrown at it !!

I think it's quite an attractive and distinctive avastar.

So is yours mate !!

[halil]

OK .... British were supplying the guns to Turkish Cypriots .....

From where the Greek Cypriots were getting their guns .... who were their supporters ?

you have a habit just blaming others all the times . This bloody island was big enough for everybody .

where did you get those T34 tanks and artillery's , which they are in display at Karavas open museum now (At north Cyprus).

what for you were getting those guns at 64 's ?

poor TC's were only equipped with old English ruffles ... or hunting guns at 63-64 .....

what for was those heavy guns ...weren't they too much for inter communal fights .

What for Greek troops from Greece came to Cyprus with numbers more than 10000 . they were all before 74 mates .....

what kind of the freedom fighters they were ? for ENOSİS .....
Than what you were waiting from us (Tc's) to do ...... join up with you for unite with Greece !!!!! Our fathers ,brothers .uncles ....etc....etc .... didn't agree with you on this one ..... What is left out afterwards ...... just bang ....bang ...bang !!!!!

If you were really after the freedom of the island you should not have ENOSİS idea or dream ....than may be Cyprus will be in different position now .....

I know you can find many excuses for my writing now ...that's what u do always .....

Always others are quilt and u are innocent ...... U never saying how GC's community was well come when the first British forces came to Cyprus .How you were happy .....

You never say how many of you got businesses in UK and getting benefits of UK ..... how those people are well come to you in your worse days ....try to say sometimes Thanks to god !

British troops were the first ones who established peace forces in Cyprus they safe the lots of TC's and GC's innocent peoples life.

Halil, with respect, if you read my post carefully you will see that I do not blame TCs. I was telling this person what British officers were doing to cause trouble between GCs and TCs. We always blame Greece and Turkey but there were other countries manipulating GCs and TCs too, turning us against each other.

The things I have stated are all fact and are all verifiable by British govenment documents available at the Public Records Office in London.

Magnus ,
First of all before we blame others we must blame our self first .
forget about colonial time for a while ....we had troubles before 60 some how we did get chance to have independent Cyprus and we did have it only for years .... where were we that time ? God gave us brain Magnus ...We must use it for right things .... what happened ?
Turkey ,Greece or UK was giving guns for us to kill each other ....No , no magnus .... it wasn't like that ..... u know who wanted what and what was his and his friends idea .... how they get the power to do such a things from public Magnus.... Without public support they were just Makarios and Grivas .

what for they were getting those tanks ? Cyprus was under the guarantees of the UK,Turkey and Greece .... 3 of them were NATO members....

the things you are saying was before ROC days Magnus .... I don't care about what was happened before 1960 .I do care what was happened during the ROC times . We must question ROC days not the past .

For me my history as a Turkish Cypriot start from 1960 to present day .

[Oracle]

... For me my history as a Turkish Cypriot start from 1960 to present day .

How did the TCs contribute towards achieving that goal of (partial) self-determination for Cyprus?

[Magnus]

Magnus ,
First of all before we blame others we must blame our self first .
forget about colonial time for a while ....we had troubles before 60 some how we did get chance to have independent Cyprus and we did have it only for years .... where were we that time ? God gave us brain Magnus ...We must use it for right things .... what happened ?
Turkey ,Greece or UK was giving guns for us to kill each other ....No , no magnus .... it wasn't like that ..... u know who wanted what and what was his and his friends idea .... how they get the power to do such a things from public Magnus.... Without public support they were just Makarios and Grivas .

what for they were getting those tanks ? Cyprus was under the guarantees of the UK,Turkey and Greece .... 3 of them were NATO members....

the things you are saying was before ROC days Magnus .... I don't care about what was happened before 1960 .I do care what was happened during the ROC times . We must question ROC days not the past .

For me my history as a Turkish Cypriot start from 1960 to present day .

Halil, I agree that both sides made mistakes. We didn't have to kill each other. But the truth is that there were people that wanted us to kill each other and they have no right to come on this forum and tell us that we were all better off living under their regime.

I can't show you the documents because I don't have copies, but I will try to find them on the internet. In the meantime please look at this article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4632080.stm

This is for a BBC radio documentary, not made by Greek Cypriots. They interview Macey's colleagues who say this:

I spoke to a former Para who accompanied Major Macey on expeditions to Turkish Cypriot villages. There, says the Para, he demonstrated the use of British ammunition and sub-machine guns to the Turkish Cypriot irregular forces.

I also tracked down one of Major Macey's former drivers, who showed me a curious note, in the major's handwriting. It is a list of arms and explosives being stored in civilian premises in Nicosia: arms, says the driver, which Major Macey had supplied, under British orders, to the Turkish fighters.

[Floda]

Terrorists and their supporters like to call themselves freedom fighters.

And what does "Mr T" stand for ?.

"Mr Tosser" talking like a twat.

[iceman]

For me my history as a Turkish Cypriot start from 1960 to present day .

That is a very shallow statement Halil

[denizaksulu]

Magnus ,
First of all before we blame others we must blame our self first .
forget about colonial time for a while ....we had troubles before 60 some how we did get chance to have independent Cyprus and we did have it only for years .... where were we that time ? God gave us brain Magnus ...We must use it for right things .... what happened ?
Turkey ,Greece or UK was giving guns for us to kill each other ....No , no magnus .... it wasn't like that ..... u know who wanted what and what was his and his friends idea .... how they get the power to do such a things from public Magnus.... Without public support they were just Makarios and Grivas .

what for they were getting those tanks ? Cyprus was under the guarantees of the UK,Turkey and Greece .... 3 of them were NATO members....

the things you are saying was before ROC days Magnus .... I don't care about what was happened before 1960 .I do care what was happened during the ROC times . We must question ROC days not the past .

For me my history as a Turkish Cypriot start from 1960 to present day .

Halil, I agree that both sides made mistakes. We didn't have to kill each other. But the truth is that there were people that wanted us to kill each other and they have no right to come on this forum and tell us that we were all better off living under their regime.

I can't show you the documents because I don't have copies, but I will try to find them on the internet. In the meantime please look at this article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4632080.stm

This is for a BBC radio documentary, not made by Greek Cypriots. They interview Macey's colleagues who say this:

I spoke to a former Para who accompanied Major Macey on expeditions to Turkish Cypriot villages. There, says the Para, he demonstrated the use of British ammunition and sub-machine guns to the Turkish Cypriot irregular forces.

I also tracked down one of Major Macey's former drivers, who showed me a curious note, in the major's handwriting. It is a list of arms and explosives being stored in civilian premises in Nicosia: arms, says the driver, which Major Macey had supplied, under British orders, to the Turkish fighters.

Magnus, I agree that arms and ammo were given to the defenders of Nicosia in January 1964. I have seen this myself. The soldiers told us that they gave us the arms to defend ourselves against imminent GC attacks. These incidents had nothing to do with divide and rule. The Brits knew what the GC paramilitaries were capable of. They did not want to witness more senseless killings.
They were happier days when we would play cricket while the caches were unloaded. It was these arms that prevented the TCs being over-run and wiped out in 1963-64. Yes it was in broad daylight too. Btw, I was a witness and not a TMT member - I was too young.

[Magnus]

Magnus, I agree that arms and ammo were given to the defenders of Nicosia in January 1964. I have seen this myself. The soldiers told us that they gave us the arms to defend ourselves against imminent GC attacks. These incidents had nothing to do with divide and rule. The Brits knew what the GC paramilitaries were capable of. They did not want to witness more senseless killings.
They were happier days when we would play cricket while the caches were unloaded. It was these arms that prevented the TCs being over-run and wiped out in 1963-64. Yes it was in broad daylight too. Btw, I was a witness and not a TMT member - I was too young.

Deniz I don't doubt what you saw but the sources make the British intentions very clear. They were at it before 1964, trying to stir up trouble. I am doing my best to find the documents online so I can post the links. They were actively encouraging the TCs to form squads and even mentioned the possibility of bringing in people from the Turkish mainland to increase their numbers.

I remember reading about another guy called Keith Marley. He was from the RAF (I can't remember his rank) and he and some others were involved in gunrunning operations and were caught with some mortars in their car which they were smuggling to TC extremists. When they were discovered the British got them out of Cyprus and covered it up.