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[Oracle]

Terrorists and their supporters like to call themselves freedom fighters.

Behold the supporters of terrorists ....

BAE accused of secretly paying £1bn to Saudi prince·

Money moved via US bank
· £30m payments a quarter
· Sanctioned by MoDDavid Leigh and Rob Evans The Guardian, Thursday June 7 2007
Article history

Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud. Photograph: AFP/Getty Images

The arms company BAE secretly paid Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia more than £1bn in connection with Britain's biggest ever weapons contract, it is alleged today.
A series of payments from the British firm was allegedly channelled through a US bank in Washington to an account controlled by one of the most colourful members of the Saudi ruling clan, who spent 20 years as their ambassador in the US.

It is claimed that payments of £30m were paid to Prince Bandar every quarter for at least 10 years.

It is alleged by insider legal sources that the money was paid to Prince Bandar with the knowledge and authorisation of Ministry of Defence officials under the Blair government and its predecessors. For more than 20 years, ministers have claimed they knew nothing of secret commissions, which were outlawed by Britain in 2002.

[Mr. T]

I have heard of this conspiracy theory before and lived in Cyprus in the 60's when, even after independence, your terrorist bloodthirsty heroes were still not averse to shooting a Brit in the back.

The 1960s? Is this when your 'brave lads' were happily arming Turkish extremists and stirring up inter-communal conflict between Cypriots?

I have no idea whether we were selling arms to Turkey in the 60's or Greece for that matter but as far as stirring up inter-communal conflict is concerned I've heard of people making things up and others believing them but this one takes the biscuit.

[Oracle]

Behold the highly trained elite super terrorists .... The SAS ....

Killing of IRA suspects breached right to life

Independent, The (London), Oct 6, 1995 by Ying Hui Tan, Barrister
E-mail Print Link McCann and others v The United Kingdom; European Court of Human Rights, Strasbourg; 27 September 1995

The killing of three terrorist suspects by Special Air Service soldiers did not constitute the use of force which was absolutely necessary in defence of persons from unlawful violence where the security authorities made insufficient allowances for possible errors in their intelligence assessments of the situation, combined with the soldiers' training to use lethal force.

The ECHR held, by ten votes to nine, that the killings of Daniel McCann, Mairead Farrell and Sean Savage constituted a violation of article 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights which protects the right to life.

[Oracle]

From terrorist ...



... to prisoner ....





.... to President ....




..... to Nobel Peace Prize ...

[miltiades]

British terrorists not frustrated religious loners:

MI5 report

London, Aug 21 (ANI): British terrorists are just as likely to be married with children and have little religious background as they are to be fundamentalist loners, a leaked MI5 study has said.

Research from the security service found it was impossible to draw up a typical profile of a “British Terrorist” contradicting the perception that all are traditional religious fanatics or Islamic fundamentalists, The Telegraph reported.

strategic The classified report on radicalisation concluded there is no single pathway to violent extremism and no easy way to identify those who would become involved in terrorism in Britain.

Source: Wordpress

I, for one, had already read this. Pleased to see you don't call them freedom fighters.

I don't euphemise, as you know. But I am still waiting to see how all this fits into Cyprus Problem .....

Don't be shy or are you saying you don't recognise the numerous killings of civilians such as the school teaacher I mentioned?

How about Catherine Cutliffe?

Perhaps you wish to explain the oppression, and enslavement, and of the Cypriot people.

The Cypriot people had every right to fight for their self determination which you brutally opposed. You imprisoned and tortured our people, took away their freedom and dignity.

Perhaps you should get a good dictionary and look up the meaning of the words 'oppression' and 'enslavement' . May I suggest you consider the Oxford English dictionary. It shows you are using words in error.

I am not surprised for one second that you are a supporter of killings of women and children by cowards and doubt whether you realise that this is what started the events that culminated in Turkey's attack in 1974.

GC's brought the problem upon themselves and are in a state of self denial.

As one who is well known for his revulsion at the indiscriminate killing of innocents by so called freedom fighters in either Afghanistan , Pakistan or Iraq let me say quite clearly that the Liberation struggle by the G/Cs against Britain was not only full justified but it was the duty of every freedom loving Cypriot to challenge the British rule of Cyprus , I will agree that your statement that Britain was a far better " Administrator " than either Turkey or Portugal could have been , but it was nevertheless an administration enforced on the people of Cyprus who rightfully resented it and demanded their freedom.
You can not seriously compare the vulgarity of the suicide "freedom fighters " with the 300 or so G/Cs who took on the might of the empire.
Britain , just like other superpowers of the past , naturally had its own strategic interests at heart and used all dirty tricks in order to defeat the liberation struggle , one of them the auxiliary force made up entirely of T/Cs with the undisputed aim of divide and rule.
I'm a pro west and pro British but the truth of the matter is that Britain contributed greatly to the catastrophe that occurred in 1974 with Turkey invading even by reneging on her guarantor duty to protect the territorial integrity of Cyprus. Do not be surprised that many Cypriots hold Britain responsible for much of what happened.

[Magnus]

I have heard of this conspiracy theory before and lived in Cyprus in the 60's when, even after independence, your terrorist bloodthirsty heroes were still not averse to shooting a Brit in the back.

The 1960s? Is this when your 'brave lads' were happily arming Turkish extremists and stirring up inter-communal conflict between Cypriots?

I have no idea whether we were selling arms to Turkey in the 60's or Greece for that matter but as far as stirring up inter-communal conflict is concerned I've heard of people making things up and others believing them but this one takes the biscuit.

Oh really? I think you need to get yourself down the Public Records Office in London and do some research. How do you explain the behaviour of Lt Commander Martin Packard and Major Ted Macey who were working in Cyprus under the instructions of Sir Cyril Pickard (the Assistant Under Secretary at the Foreign Office at the time).

Officially Packard was supposed to be a 'Conciliator' for the Greek Cypriot side and Macey was a 'special Liaison Officer' attached to Dr Kutchuk’s office.

There are records at the Public Records Office that prove Macey provided the Turkish Cypriot extremists with arms and ammunition and offered them training. The whole idea was to use the TCs to stir up trouble in order to start the preparation for an eventual Turkish invasion.

Packard spent his time pretending to be a 'friendly' conciliator in order to keep the Greek Cypriots in check and unaware of what his colleagues was doing.

Both Macey and Packard were told to make visits to Greek and Turkish villages throughout Cyprus and collect intelligence in a manner undetected by the locals and keep things in check for their superiors.

British officers were also directly involved in the manufacture of bombs and bombing Turkish properties in order to blame the GCs etc.

In February 1964, Makarios sent a document to the British High Commissioner regarding those activities. He referred to the case of a Colonel Thursby who, on 20th January 1964, went to the Manager of the Cyprus Asbestos Mines Co Ltd and, under false pretences, demanded to be allowed to collect all the explosives in the stores.

Makarios also wrote to General Gyani (UN force) complaining and listing instances when British troops with the UN contingent did nothing to stop Turks from firing at Greek Cypriots. Several British officers were named and accused of aiding and providing the Turks with arms, ammunition and other military equipment.

The British authorities arranged for these individuals to be flown out of Cyprus but one of them had been arrested and was in Cypriot custody. He confessed to committing a number of subversive acts and was tried and condemned to 15 years imprisonment.

These documents are all available for your reading pleasure at the Public Records Office. If you're planning a trip down there I suggest you avoid the swans outside the building.

[pantheman]

Guys, Guys Guys, This Mr T person is just a WUM, he has nothing to offer but to make trouble, just like his colonial fore fathers.

Don't even both telling him any truths as he will just twist it all and throw it back in your faces.

Only one way to deal with these types. Ignore them, they will just go away.

hade kanei ton.

[utu]

I think what Mr. T is trying to say is that both sides of the Cyprus dispute had their resistance movements and that their goals were compromised when members from these groups ended up resorting to 'softer targets', calling such hits 'necessary collateral damage'. In other words, a pretty murderous cop-out, which both EOKA and TMT have been accused of by either side...

[miltiades]

Guys, Guys Guys, This Mr T person is just a WUM, he has nothing to offer but to make trouble, just like his colonial fore fathers.

Don't even both telling him any truths as he will just twist it all and throw it back in your faces.

Only one way to deal with these types. Ignore them, they will just go away.

hade kanei ton.

Judging by your face P something must have been thrown at it !!

[halil]

OK .... British were supplying the guns to Turkish Cypriots .....

From where the Greek Cypriots were getting their guns .... who were their supporters ?

you have a habit just blaming others all the times . This bloody island was big enough for everybody .

where did you get those T34 tanks and artillery's , which they are in display at Karavas open museum now (At north Cyprus).

what for you were getting those guns at 64 's ?

poor TC's were only equipped with old English ruffles ... or hunting guns at 63-64 .....

what for was those heavy guns ...weren't they too much for inter communal fights .

What for Greek troops from Greece came to Cyprus with numbers more than 10000 . they were all before 74 mates .....

what kind of the freedom fighters they were ? for ENOSİS .....
Than what you were waiting from us (Tc's) to do ...... join up with you for unite with Greece !!!!! Our fathers ,brothers .uncles ....etc....etc .... didn't agree with you on this one ..... What is left out afterwards ...... just bang ....bang ...bang !!!!!

If you were really after the freedom of the island you should not have ENOSİS idea or dream ....than may be Cyprus will be in different position now .....

I know you can find many excuses for my writing now ...that's what u do always .....

Always others are quilt and u are innocent ...... U never saying how GC's community was well come when the first British forces came to Cyprus .How you were happy .....

You never say how many of you got businesses in UK and getting benefits of UK ..... how those people are well come to you in your worse days ....try to say sometimes Thanks to god !

British troops were the first ones who established peace forces in Cyprus they safe the lots of TC's and GC's innocent peoples life.