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[miltiades]

Tim,
This thread is one of those 'Bash-the-U.K.' & 'slam-the-British-people' threads.

The trouble with a malakas such as Paphitis is is he just doesn't do his homework at all.He is just dumb,not to mention,sick in the head!

Queen Elizabeth II is not responsible for the actions that were carried out by governments acting in her name.The Queen has very little power herself.

Aidan.

Well, speaking as a Briton, I feel that it is outrageous to hang a man for tearing down a flag, and if this act was supposed to have been done in my name, I disown it. This thread does not offend me.

If Paphitis was telling the truth it would be reasonable to find it outrageous but surely you must know by now that he hasn't got a clue when it comes to reality.

May I suggest that you look at the website referred to by Oracle in the third contribution to this thread. I guess Oracle didn't know what she was posting as she is a fervent supporter of Paphitis' ramblings.

By the way I am quite impressed by some of your postings. Obviously easily impressed.... lol.

Regards

Theo

I think that all Cypriots now the truth about their oppression and enslavement as a British colony. And this is why we fought for our own self determination which you brutally opposed. Cypriots also know the truth about Pallikaridi, a gentleman and poet who paid the ultimate sacrifice for his country and people.

the brits are scum man! the whole world hates them and they know it!

What trash. Some hate Britain but many more like and admire it but perhaps you refer to the hundreds of thousands of GC's who have become British and live in Britain.

You are welcome to have as many back as you wish and in particular one woman in Scotland who appears to hate Britain but finds it so horrible having Brits for neighbours that she continues to live here but you can't have reasonable ones like Militiades. It is such a nasty place and the people so bad that the EU forecasts that it will have the largest population in the current EU. With the rising number of people wishing to live here the population is anticipated to exceed the current population of Germany which is predicted to lose millions.

The medical advances and inventions made the the Brits you hate have improved the everyday lives of even the likes of you but we would not want your thanks.

Hardly anybody hates GC's. How can they when few have heard the word Cyprus, never mind have a clue where it is such is the impact of numerous benefits in has brought to the world.

Mr T , on the whole the reasonable Cypriot , G/C and T/C have come to terms with Britain's role in Cyprus and its actions as one power looking after its own interests. We Cypriots who have made the UK our home are also aware of the numerous advantages of living in a society where justice , freedom and above all choice are of the utmost importance to any civilized human. Naturally those of us that care about Britain and have taken the interests of this nation at heart have an undeniable right to be critical of government and local authority decisions and actions.
We are critical of the role that Britain played both in 1953-1960 , 1974 and more recently 2004.
Many thousands of Cypriots , both G/Cs and T/Cs , have intermarried and have children with Cypriot and British blood flowing in their veins. I can not unjustifiably be critical of Britain when my son is half English and half Cypriot , this has spurred me to be analytical in my judgment and above all sensible.
Britain , like all other world powers , has a duty to look after its interests , unfortunately on occasions such actions are detrimental to other nations , mostly small nations.
Here is one Cypriot who is highly critical of the British actions over Cyprus but has not one ounce of hatred for the Brits.
Finaly may I say that the likes of Paphitis , Oracle , (Fada - Maynard-Dinos Scaliotis and recently Meraclis , all the same person ) are the contributors of adverse and damaging to Cyprus cause posts.
Their combined hatred for the T/Cs equals that of the hatred for Jews that Hitler had , I also ought to mention their hatred of Britain and the WESTERN WORLD IN GENERAL.

[Oracle]

... The medical advances and inventions made the the Brits you hate have improved the everyday lives of even the likes of you but we would not want your thanks.

Britain did it all .... what a blissfully ignorant world you live in Mr. Thatcher

[BC Numismatics]

Queen Elizabeth II is not responsible for the actions that were carried out by governments acting in her name.The Queen has very little power herself.
Aidan.

United Kingdom
The power to grant pardons and reprieves is a royal prerogative of mercy of the monarch of the United Kingdom....

Oracle,
Those powers are exercised by the monarch upon being advised by the Prime Minister &/or by the Privy Council.In judicial matters,she is advised by the House of Lords (for most cases within the U.K.) or the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council (for some cases within the U.K. & for cases from some British Commonwealth countries).You should have a read here; www.royal.gov.uk .

Paphitis is just being a malakas.

He obviously needs educating.

Aidan.

[Paphitis]

Tim,
This thread is one of those 'Bash-the-U.K.' & 'slam-the-British-people' threads.

The trouble with a malakas such as Paphitis is is he just doesn't do his homework at all.He is just dumb,not to mention,sick in the head!

Queen Elizabeth II is not responsible for the actions that were carried out by governments acting in her name.The Queen has very little power herself.

Aidan.

Well, speaking as a Briton, I feel that it is outrageous to hang a man for tearing down a flag, and if this act was supposed to have been done in my name, I disown it. This thread does not offend me.

If Paphitis was telling the truth it would be reasonable to find it outrageous but surely you must know by now that he hasn't got a clue when it comes to reality.

May I suggest that you look at the website referred to by Oracle in the third contribution to this thread. I guess Oracle didn't know what she was posting as she is a fervent supporter of Paphitis' ramblings.

By the way I am quite impressed by some of your postings. Obviously easily impressed.... lol.

Regards

Theo

I think that all Cypriots now the truth about their oppression and enslavement as a British colony. And this is why we fought for our own self determination which you brutally opposed. Cypriots also know the truth about Pallikaridi, a gentleman and poet who paid the ultimate sacrifice for his country and people.

the brits are scum man! the whole world hates them and they know it!

What trash. Some hate Britain but many more like and admire it but perhaps you refer to the hundreds of thousands of GC's who have become British and live in Britain.

You are welcome to have as many back as you wish and in particular one woman in Scotland who appears to hate Britain but finds it so horrible having Brits for neighbours that she continues to live here but you can't have reasonable ones like Militiades. It is such a nasty place and the people so bad that the EU forecasts that it will have the largest population in the current EU. With the rising number of people wishing to live here the population is anticipated to exceed the current population of Germany which is predicted to lose millions.

The medical advances and inventions made the the Brits you hate have improved the everyday lives of even the likes of you but we would not want your thanks.

Hardly anybody hates GC's. How can they when few have heard the word Cyprus, never mind have a clue where it is such is the impact of numerous benefits in has brought to the world.

We are more than happy to have our citizens back. But you can keep Miltiades!

I guess that Cypriots have the following to be grateful for.

Britain’s unethical and short sighted policy on Cyprus

Britain has recently entered into a “strategic partnership” with Turkey, which turns a blind eye to Turkey’s continuing human rights violations and illegal occupation in Cyprus

Let us examine this so-called “isolation”. The Republic of Cyprus has done all within its power to support the Turkish Cypriots. Approximately 50,000 Turkish Cypriots possess Cypriot passports permitting them to travel and work anywhere within the EU. Turkish Cypriots work in the free areas of Cyprus and benefit from state health care, social welfare services, national insurance and the like. The only inhabitants of the occupied territories of north of the island who cannot claim these rights are the 162,000 illegal immigrants brought over from Anatolia by Turkey to ethnically alter the demographic composition of the island.
However the UK government has now elevated Turkey to a far greater geo-strategic importance than Britain itself in the region. British interests are served by a united Cyprus and not by a divided one. The official government line is to promote unification. It does not recognize the illegal regime in the north of the island. But Turkey, by establishing its hold on the occupied areas of Cyprus through this agreement, has consolidated its hold on the north and become a regional power to be reckoned with, whereas Britain has shrunk into a secondary role as a micro-manager of regional crises.

Britain does not wish to see Turkey in northern Iraq pursuing PKK guerrillas but this is not only because of concerns about a wider conflagration in the Middle East. There is a very real fear that the Turkish army, once in Iraq, will refuse to withdraw, as it would seek to politically re-organise the region on its own terms and stop the Kurds from achieving statehood by exploiting the oil resources of Kirkuk and Mosul.

Can Turkey be trusted? We think not given its past record on Cyprus. The fact of the matter is that Turkey may well enter northern Iraq anyway in pursuit of its political objectives and ignore this partnership.

Appeasement of neighbourhood bullies rarely works. The more you give into bullies like Turkey the more they will believe that they can act above the law. In short, this government’s policy to prefer a partnership with Turkey, rather than supporting its law abiding and fellow EU member state, Cyprus, renders this government’s foreign policy morally, ethically and politically corrupt.

Fact file

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• 37 percent of Republic of Cyprus is currently under Turkish occupation.
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• 200,000 Greek Cypriots have been forcibly expelled from the occupied northern territories where they constituted approximately 70 percent of the population.
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• More than 1,000 missing persons, including hundreds of civilians are still missing. Photographic evidence shows many were captured by the Turkish military.
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• Approx 500 Greek and Maronite Cypriots enclaved in villages in the occupied area are living under oppressive conditions.
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• 43,000 Turkish occupation soldiers equipped with modern weaponry and supported by the Turkish air force and navy are illegally stationed in the occupied area.
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• 162,000 colonists from Turkey have been illegally imported to colonise the occupied area and to alter the demographic composition of the island.
Whilst successive British governments have historically appeased Turkey’s illegal occupation of Cyprus this new partnership goes a step further by rewarding its continuing human rights breaches. Whilst this is clearly unethical and illegal, it is also against Britain’s interests.
It will be recalled that Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974 to bring about the strategic partition of the island. In doing so Turkey brought apartheid to Cyprus, violating a plethora of UN resolutions. The partnership however is completely silent on Turkey’s continuing illegal occupation of the north of Cyprus and as a reward for not invading Iraq to flush out the PKK, the government has promised to end the so called “isolation” of Turkish Cypriots.

So thank you Britain, for all your marvellous contributions to Cyprus and it's people. No nation has ever made such a big impact on our island as yours.

[Paphitis]

The below article outlines Britains partitionist policy on Cyprus.

British policy towards Cyprus: a pre-election assesment
British released documents for 1974

The 1974 British Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence documents released on 1 January reveal quite a handful this year. And expose beyond any doubt the partitionist British policy followed before, during and most importantly right after the Turkish invasion, a policy that inevitably led with mathematical accuracy to the Annan plan today.

First of all I should summarise that the Turkish policy from January 1974 and right up to the invasion in July and thereafter was also consistent as all the previous years. Demanded Federation, geographical federation and blatantly referred to bizonal bicommunal federation as the ultimate goal.

On the 11th of February the idea of Federation was officially demanded by the Turks. On the 13th the Turkish Foreign Minister told the British Ambassador in Ankara that the federal system was their objective in order to put the Turkish minority on an equal footing with the Greeks. On the 27th of February the Turkish constitutionalist working in Cyprus explained to the British High Commissioner that the bicommunal state remained the Turkish goal but they did not have faith in the 1960 Treaties and that Federation would not work without geographical separation and so on.

On the 12 July the Cyprus High Commission in London delivered to the Foreign Office a memorandum about the impracticability of a federal solution which was a clearly Turkish solution and Turkish demand which Archbishop Makarios rejected as it would lead to partition.

On the 17th of July Makarios who had been rescued by the British and transported via Malta to London met with Prime Minister Harold Wilson and Foreign Secretary James Callaghan and agreed with Prime Minister when the latter tried to put words in his mouth that the actions of Greece amounted to an invasion.

The same day Turkish Prime Minister Ecevit also met with Harold Wilson and James Callaghan and asked permission to invade Cyprus through the British Bases. Although they refused to join Turkey in such an operation, purely on legal grounds (they knew they would be in deep trouble had they conceded) they eagerly promised to help Ecevit to proceed with the invasion when they agreed to prevent Greece from rushing troops in aid of Cyprus.

Therevealing factor in this case is of course two fold. A) The original intention of Turkey was to invade and occupy the whole of the island if one takes into consideration that the bases are located on the other side of Cyprus and B) The British Government gave its tacit clearance to Turkey to proceed with the invasion and promised to do everything to blockade Greece from helping Cyprus (which in fact tallies perfectly with the British 1964 preparation plan for a Turkish invasion).

Kissinger factor

On the 18 of July a very detailed document brings to light a totally different picture from the one we had taken for granted for 30 years. American Foreign Secretary Henry Kissinger was stressing in no uncertain terms to Callaghan that he wanted Britain to work with the Greeks and Turks together in London for a constitutional solution on the basis of the 1960 Treaties calling a tripartite meeting for the 20th of July. He did not want Makarios or Sampson and favoured Glafkos Clerides which was the British chosen one too, but a solution formula to be found based on the 1960 Treaties. 10 Downing street advisers however disagreed with Kissinger on this and were pushing forcefully for a radical constitutional change undermining the 1960 Treaties in accordance with the wishes of the Turks.

The documents for the whole of the 1974 bring to light that the real driving force behind the events and policies was indeed the British Government and not the Americans. Dr. Kissinger in many ways followed the Foreign Office advice, guidance and wishes and clearly disagreed fundamentally with the idea of bizonal federation between August and the end of the year. Kissinger preferred cantonal federation to bizonal federation and by the end of the year the documents show that he was fed up with Clerides and slightly sided with Makarios which annoyed greatly James Callaghan and the Foreign Office. Hence the Turkish Foreign Minister Gunes’ plan for six cantons in Geneva was primarily based on Kissinger’s preference whereas R. Dentash’s one for bizonal bicommunal federation was reflecting Ankara’s and London’s preference. Callaghan also rejected Kissinger’s suggestion for an emergency meeting of NATO on the 14th of August because that would have clearly stopped Turkey from executing its second prearranged invasion for which Callaghan was fully informed in advance.

Glafkos Clerides – the man to build on

The other crucial factor is the confirmation that Glafkos Clerides was the No. 1 man for the dirty work of the British Government and the Turks. And the man who had undertaken to impose the bizonal bicommunal federation on Makarios and the Greek Government.

Wilson and Callaghan had invested heavily on the Athens meeting between Makarios and the newly elected Karamanlis Government which took place end of November and beginning of December and went out of their way in order to pressurise Makarios and Constantinos Karamanlis in accepting the Turkish solution.

As early as the 16 of August the Foreign Office had noted: “It is important that we should avoid any suggestion that in favouring the geographical separation of the two communities as the most viable solution of the Cyprus problem, we are working for the partition of the island. We should use the term ‘biregional federation…”.

During the August negotiations in Geneva James Callaghan tried strenuously to get Clerides and George Mavros (Greek Foreign Minister) to accept the bizonal solution. He had already prepared an agreement for them to sign accepting a bizonal bicommunal constitutional change. But it was too soon and Clerides could not do it as yet fearing the reaction in Cyprus and Greece and that of Makarios. But after the second invasion Clerides was wholeheartedly working for the imposition of the bizonal bicommunal federation in full cooperation with the British Government and with no reservations whatsoever whilst the British were doing everything possible to assist him.

And it is in this context of Callaghan/Clerides cooperation that one must explain Glafkos Clerides’ speech on the 6 November 1974 at the ‘Argo’ gallery in Nicosia in favour of a geographical federation. For which James Callaghan rushed to convey an oral message of praise to Clerides through the High Commissioner in Cyprus promising to do all he could in order to help him in his task.

On the 26 of November Clerides in conversation with the British High Commissioner confirmed that a bizonal federation was the Turkish aim. He proposed to work in the Athens meeting for a protocol for a bi-regional federation as the first negotiating gambit, but it was agreed to revert to a bizonal solution if that got him nowhere and explained to the British High Commissioner that he intended even to threaten with resignation if Makarios refused to sign a protocol towards this end. In other words to blackmail Makarios.

Makarios did not accept the bizonal federation but conceded to a multi-federal system as a way out. Immediately the British Government and Gl. Clerides took advantage of that concession and in order to commit the Cyprus Government to that first essential step in promoting their partitionist policies, Glafcos Clerides , as President of the House of representatives and Greek Cypriot negotiator at the intercommmunal talks, in his capacity as head of the Cyprus delegation at the United Nations Security Council Session, held in February 1975, disclosed in his statement the proposals he had already handed to the Turkish Cypriot side (R. Dentash) on 10 February 1975; setting out the views of the Cyprus Government for a settlement and for a bicommunal multi-regional federal state constitution. Which in fact, with slight variations, was a carbon copy of Callaghan’s draft for a bizonal solution presented on the 13 of August in Geneva.

We all know what followed those proposals, the 1977 and 1979 Makarios and Kyprianou agreements with Denktash.

Finally the documents reveal that the British disliked the possibility of Tassos Papadopoulos becoming President of the island as early as the Autumn of 1974, when they described such an eventually as disastrous.

Fanoulla Argyrou
Researcher/journalist
3 March 2005

[Paphitis]

Britain , like all other world powers , has a duty to look after its interests , unfortunately on occasions such actions are detrimental to other nations , mostly small nations.
Here is one Cypriot who is highly critical of the British actions over Cyprus but has not one ounce of hatred for the Brits.

This is where you are totally wrong Miltiades. No nation has the right to oppress, rape and plunder other nations and their people in order to look after their interests.

Finaly may I say that the likes of Paphitis , Oracle , (Fada - Maynard-Dinos Scaliotis and recently Meraclis , all the same person ) are the contributors of adverse and damaging to Cyprus cause posts.

Miltiades, the only persons who are damaging to the Cyprus cause are those that are ignorant and fail to see the big picture as to the reasons why Cyprus is in it's present situation. You are one of those individuals.

The GCs and TCs are responsible for some atrocities to each other, after Britain introduced a "Divide and Rule" policy on Cyprus. The role of the US can also not go unmentioned, as it covertly supported the 1974 coup against Makarios. The whole Cyprus tragedy is a US/UK collaboration with Turkey and the Greek Junta, in order to safeguard NATO interests in the East Mediterranean and prevent any Soviet influence in the region. Anyone who does not recognise this well documented fact, is deluding themselves.

Their combined hatred for the T/Cs equals that of the hatred for Jews that Hitler had , I also ought to mention their hatred of Britain and the WESTERN WORLD IN GENERAL.

The above statement certainly does take the cake. You are nothing but a belligerent imbecile.

Let me say, that I do not hate the TCs 1 bit. I see them as equal human beings, with exactly the same needs as myself. No one is superior or inferior. My posts are in no way racist towards any TCs.

In fact, when I notice genuine racism, as expressed by Aidan towards another TC member (Cem), I will condemn it. This was indeed 1 of the main objectives of this very thread. I will also condemn any racism expressed towards my foes, such as Zan or VP. Yes, I do partake in a fair amount of colorful exchanges, but I draw the line at racist taunts such as labelling anyone as a "subhuman or scummy Turk".

Miltiades, you should be ashamed of yourself for falsely accusing members of this forum as being racist.

I do not hate TCs at all.

[Paphitis]

Queen Elizabeth II is not responsible for the actions that were carried out by governments acting in her name.The Queen has very little power herself.
Aidan.

United Kingdom
The power to grant pardons and reprieves is a royal prerogative of mercy of the monarch of the United Kingdom....

Oracle,
Those powers are exercised by the monarch upon being advised by the Prime Minister &/or by the Privy Council.In judicial matters,she is advised by the House of Lords (for most cases within the U.K.) or the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council (for some cases within the U.K. & for cases from some British Commonwealth countries).You should have a read here; www.royal.gov.uk .

Paphitis is just being a malakas.

He obviously needs educating.

Aidan.

For you Aidan, I have this.....




Aidan, I feel that it is the only response you deserve.

[BC Numismatics]

Paphitis,
Do us all one favour - GO & GROW A BRAIN!

Aidan.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis,
Do us all one favour - GO & GROW A BRAIN!

Aidan.

[Paphitis]

MALAKAS!

WANKER!