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Postby Oracle » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:36 am

Hey you lot ... take your title-tattle gossip to the Cyprus Problem threads where it belongs and please respect the integrity and seriousness of the General Sections ... :roll:




Missing link: creationist campaigner has Richard Dawkins' official website banned in Turkey

Riazat Butt

The Guardian, Friday September 19 2008

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A Turkish court has banned internet users from viewing the official Richard Dawkins website after a Muslim creationist claimed its contents were defamatory and blasphemous.

Adnan Oktar, who writes under the pen name of Harun Yahya, complained that Dawkins, a fierce critic of creationism and intelligent design, had insulted him in comments made on forums and blogs.

According to Oktar's office, Istanbul's second criminal court of peace banned the site earlier this month on the grounds that it "violated" Oktar's personality.

His press assistant, Seda Aral, said: "We are not against freedom of speech or expression but you cannot insult people. We found the comments hurtful. It was not a scientific discussion. There was a line and the limit has been passed. We have used all the legal means to stop this site. We asked them to remove the comments but they did not."

Oktar, a household name in Turkey, has used hundreds of books, pamphlets and DVDs to contest Darwin's theory of evolution. In 2006 his publishers sent out 10,000 copies of the Atlas of Creation, a lavish book rejecting evolution on every one of its 800 pages.

Dawkins, one of the recipients, described the book as "preposterous". On his website the British biologist and popular science writer said he was at "a loss to reconcile the expensive and glossy production values of this book with the breathtaking inanity of the content".

It is the third time Oktar and his associates have succeeded in blocking sites in Turkey. In August 2007 Oktar persuaded a court to block access to WordPress.com. His lawyers argued that blogs on the site contained libellous material that it was unwilling to remove. Last April he made a libel complaint about Google Groups, which was subsequently blocked.

He failed to ban Dawkins' book The God Delusion in Turkey after a court rejected his claims that it insulted religion. The God Delusion has provoked strong criticism from believers for insisting on the hypocrisy and unreliability of scripture and for lampooning creationists.

Turkey has a long track record in banning websites, and is particularly fond of blocking YouTube for allegedly offending national sensibilities. The bans have hurt its image at a time when its restrictions on free speech are under scrutiny owing to its EU membership bid.
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:02 pm

Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
umit07 wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:It would be interesting to know your opinion on what Turkey has conributed to the world thus far.

Turkey has contributed the bottom-end of the scale of pretty much everything, which we can now observe to appreciate the top… for without darkness how can we ever appreciate light?



When did you come back GR? Anyway , welcome back . You sure you don't wanna join the dark side?

My Teletubbie friend! :D Thanks for the pic, I hope your studies are doing great with plenty of aussie girlfriends to choose from; wasn’t that the idea of going to Australia in the first place? :lol:


Once again Umit, don't let this imposter fool you. He's been reading up on GR's past posts about each member. He's a saddo who's attached an exclamation mark to the name Get Real and is now pretending its him.

Disgusting behaviour if you ask me. :roll:

Spoil sport! :evil:



Both Grs seem to have joined at the same time with the same number of posts. :lol:
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Postby DT. » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:05 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
umit07 wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:It would be interesting to know your opinion on what Turkey has conributed to the world thus far.

Turkey has contributed the bottom-end of the scale of pretty much everything, which we can now observe to appreciate the top… for without darkness how can we ever appreciate light?



When did you come back GR? Anyway , welcome back . You sure you don't wanna join the dark side?

My Teletubbie friend! :D Thanks for the pic, I hope your studies are doing great with plenty of aussie girlfriends to choose from; wasn’t that the idea of going to Australia in the first place? :lol:


Once again Umit, don't let this imposter fool you. He's been reading up on GR's past posts about each member. He's a saddo who's attached an exclamation mark to the name Get Real and is now pretending its him.

Disgusting behaviour if you ask me. :roll:

Spoil sport! :evil:



Both Grs seem to have joined at the same time with the same number of posts. :lol:


He's a hacker!!!
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Postby Oracle » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:17 am

Slowly but surely British Academia and the Intelligentsia are waking up to the peril the unfortunate GCs have had to endure, losing nearly half their country to this backward Turkish nation, veiled in pseudo-European rhetoric.

This country ... Turkey .... the enemy of Human Rights and freedom of Speech is actually illegally occupying Cyprus, Europe, and closer to your country and your way of life ... and all the countries of Europe.

So wake up Brits .. those of you who are not just after cheap property in the occupied north, and cheap Hippy holidays in a near-east country .... can surely see the danger of turning a blind eye to this erosion of civilisation.

http://richarddawkins.net/article,3239, ... of-Britain
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