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[Mr. T]

There should be no need for a guarantor or guarantors.

One hopes that the majority of people on the island have grown up since the 60's, are not typical of many members of this forum who are so full of hate and have the inability to accept that everything is not the fault of other countries but was of their own doing, are not stuck in the past and going on about murders and rapes that happened from 34 to 45 years ago.

Atrocities were commonplace during WW2 but did the people of more foreward thinking countries continually dwell on the past? No they didn't. The ones in Europe got together, became friends, formed NATO and worked successfully to a better future where they would never again kill each other.

The world will shortly know whether Cypriots belong in a better world, whether Cypriots realise that they must make painful concessions in the current negotiations and bring them to a successful conclusion.

If they can there should be no reason why a united Cyprus, a two state Cyprus or a federation should not join NATO. Conscription into the army in Cyprus would no longer be necessary but with small professional units of soldiers Cyprus could also play a useful part in NATO operations.

Incidentally I believe that Turkey no longer needs a military presence in the north as GC's would, in the modern world, never again behave as they did towards TC's during the period from 63-74.

[Oracle]

Incidentally I believe that Turkey no longer needs a military presence in the north as GC's would, in the modern world, never again behave as they did towards TC's during the period from 63-74.

And let's hope also, that the TCs do not behave in the same way as they did during that era.

Turkey said it invaded in "Peace" to rescue the GCs & TCs from a coup, as part of the RoC Treaty of Guarantee, and not because of any alleged wrongdoings between 1963 to 1974 ..... Didn't they?

[Paphitis]

We should foster good relations with like-minded nations and not be afraid to admit to ties-that-bind.

I agree with Nikitas that Cyprus is Independent, hence does not need guarantees from anyone as to its right to exist and defend itself from expansionist nations.

Instead those expansionist nations threatening sovereignties should be punished by united organisations like the EU & UN (basically US) and Russia (due to its might) with the whole gamut of weapons available (economic sanctions upwards).

The Treaty of Guarantee over Cyprus was like a slip of paper allowing the bully to do as it liked .... and it did.

Who in their right minds, knowing the nature of the Turk would have handed over such a right to them .... oh yeah! The UK.

The UK is singularly responsible for getting us in this mess with Turkey by handing them a permit, and it should not get off Scot free ....

Oracle,
The 'Bash-the-U.K.' line is getting a bit long - in the tooth,that is! Both Greece & Turkey are responsible for using Cyprus as a battlegraound as well as a pawn in their games.

Neither Greece nor Russia should be guarantors.The British Commonwealth would be a much better guarantor than the E.U. could ever be.Cyprus has been a British Commonwealth member state far longer than it has been a European Union member state.

Aidan.

Britain can go and get phucked along with Turkey. Britain has done nothing for Cyprus and the monarch is a wanted criminal and needs to pay her debt to Cypriot society!

Queen Elizabeth must be charged with the murder of Pallikaridi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evagoras_Pallikarides

Paphitis,
There is a very good word for you - MALAKAS!

Aidan.

My tolerance of wankers like you is at an all time low this evening.

Your urgent attention is required here.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19791

And don't forget to stick the Queen, and CW right up your arse.

The CW, Britain, Turkey and Greece have no say on Cypriot internal matters.

What a wanker!

Paphitis,
You really are one hell of a wanker! You belong in a room alright - a rubber room!

What a fuckwit!

Aidan.

[Nikitas]

"What do you think Nikitas????"

Zan,

You quote a Russian negotiated purchase which in the end culminated only in the Tor M-1 contract being fulfilled and that was sometime in the late 90 early 2000s.

The Greek army uses Leopard Tanks, Leonidas APCs, and American made artillery. German rifles and the list of western, mostly American, hardware goes on.

The air force is the F-16 with a smattering of Mirages.

The navy is mostly American and Dutch with a few German ships in the mix.

Check it up with a reliable reference on military hardware.

When you do, check how many vehicles and arms Turkey buys from Russia. The civil defence forces are almost exclusively Russian armed, as you can see from the Kalashnikov rifles and the vehicles used in the border areas with Iraq.

[Kikapu]

The CW, Britain, Turkey and Greece have no say on Cypriot internal matters.

The CW

Who are the CW's, Paphitis.??

[Paphitis]

The CW, Britain, Turkey and Greece have no say on Cypriot internal matters.

The CW

Who are the CW's, Paphitis.??

It is the now defunct and irrelevant colonial association called "The Commonwealth".

[Kikapu]

The CW, Britain, Turkey and Greece have no say on Cypriot internal matters.

The CW

Who are the CW's, Paphitis.??

It is the now defunct and irrelevant colonial association called "The Commonwealth".

Thanks.

You had already mentioned Britain, so I was left to wonder what it meant.!

[BC Numismatics]

The CW, Britain, Turkey and Greece have no say on Cypriot internal matters.

The CW

Who are the CW's, Paphitis.??

It is the now defunct and irrelevant colonial association called "The Commonwealth".

Paphitis,
You really are an idiot! The British Commonwealth isn't defunct,nor is it irrelevant!

What a scummy malakas!

Aidan.

[zan]

"What do you think Nikitas????"

Zan,

You quote a Russian negotiated purchase which in the end culminated only in the Tor M-1 contract being fulfilled and that was sometime in the late 90 early 2000s.

The Greek army uses Leopard Tanks, Leonidas APCs, and American made artillery. German rifles and the list of western, mostly American, hardware goes on.

The air force is the F-16 with a smattering of Mirages.

The navy is mostly American and Dutch with a few German ships in the mix.

Check it up with a reliable reference on military hardware.

When you do, check how many vehicles and arms Turkey buys from Russia. The civil defence forces are almost exclusively Russian armed, as you can see from the Kalashnikov rifles and the vehicles used in the border areas with Iraq.

So where has the 1.2 billion dollars gone then?????

[Oracle]

Paphitis,
You really are an idiot! The British Commonwealth isn't defunct,nor is it irrelevant!

What a scummy malakas!

Aidan.

I agree .... we visited the British Commonwealth Museum about 2 years ago and it was great ... full of plastic Cocoa Beans from ... I forget, .... and Sugar Beet from erm .... from .... Guyana ,maybe? ... and lots and lots of jolly nice things from all the Commonwealth countries .... sorry can't remember what they had from Cyprus (something geopolitical no doubt!).

... Oh yes, mustn't forget. We still have the Commonwealth Games (every 4 years are they?)

British Commonwealth ... not defunct at all!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_wCsc8n7A