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[Nikitas]

"Russia has always been a guarantor power in Cyprus......Who the hell supplied Greece with weapons for so long??? "

USA. And before that it was Britain. A few bits of harware from France. You need to check your facts more often.

[Agios Ionas]

i think the trouble with the e.u is that there are too many chief's and not enought indian's. look at the situation in georgia. the e.u have done a lot of talking with both sides. that didn't stop people dying or being displaced. in 2008 stuff like this should not be happening on the e.u doorstep. talk is cheap and thats all the e.u are good at.

I wouldn't say that Georgia is on the EU doorstep... but anyway, the EU can't do anything but talk as far as the Georgian/Russian conflict goes. Georgia is not a member of the EU!

Cyprus is a member of the EU. The EU would be able to do a lot more than talk if the sovereignty of a future reunited (and full fledged member of the EU) Cyprus is threatened.

I think that in the longer perspective the future threats for Cyprus is not a clash between GC and TC. It's rather the risk of being invaded by someone who wants that oil (if any is found) or that strategic location... or someone who simply would like to deny the Cypriots and the EU these things for various reasons.

With Turkey in the EU (it'll take quite a while to allow them to modernise and turn democratic enough to do so) that potential threat is gone. With good ties to Russia I reckon the risks of them getting hungry for a piece of Cyprus are slim to none. Then what's left? The US (depending on who's leading the country), China, Iran or possibly some Arab/Middle Eastern country or coalition. In the very long perspective these are the main potential enemies for the EU, including Cyprus. Possibly Russia too depending on future relations with them and whether the EU choose to have a will and voice of their own or if they choose to be the errand boy of the USA. The EU must stand strong and work towards collaboration and understanding between countries. The EU must also be bold enough to say [b]no[/] to the USA and Russia as well as other nations when they break rules and do things we (the EU) frown upon. Only then we will gain the respect this union deserves. The EU is after all a union built on the freedom of choice, we must also make sure it's being masoned with free will... the EU shouldn't be anyone's lap dog.

[zan]

"Russia has always been a guarantor power in Cyprus......Who the hell supplied Greece with weapons for so long??? "

USA. And before that it was Britain. A few bits of harware from France. You need to check your facts more often.

Tanks and troops came to Cyprus from the USA

[Nikitas]

Zan, please read your comment about who supplied Greece with arms!

Greece is one of America's biggest customers for arms. Cyprus bought thirty used Russian tanks back in the 60s. How does that make Russia a supplier of Greece? Are you connected with reality or what?

[zan]

Zan, please read your comment about who supplied Greece with arms!

Greece is one of America's biggest customers for arms. Cyprus bought thirty used Russian tanks back in the 60s. How does that make Russia a supplier of Greece? Are you connected with reality or what?

MOSCOW. (Military commentator Nikita Petrov for RIA Novosti) - The Athens authorities have decided to buy 415 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles from Russia.

Greece is a NATO member, and so its decision to buy military equipment in Russia could be seen as sensational. However, it is not the first time Greece has bought weapons from Russia.

Nearly all of its air defense system consists of Russian-made weapons, such as the portable Igla missile system, the Osa-AKM, Tor-M1 and Buk-M1-2 short- and medium-range systems, and the S-300PMU-1.

Moreover, Greece also has the Russian-made Fagot and Kornet antitank guided missile systems, and the world's largest military hovercraft, Zubr (NATO reporting name Pomornik).

But this time Greece is buying many infantry fighting vehicles for more than 1.2 billion euros.


http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20071210/91684719.html

[Agios Ionas]

Firstly, you are having a laugh, Turkey in the EU? You have to be kidding, there is no chance of that.

All these different nations making up a guarantor, utter rubbish, who controls who mate?

We need our independence and we don't need any guarantor powers from anyone. What other nations have all these guarantor powers standing by?

The poll was simple Greece or Russia, you either voted or not. No need for the long explanations.

IMHO, Greece would not do, she has cosied up with turkey businesswise of late, she will not risk that for us, Russia, has alot more to gain, mainly to be a pain in the wests arse if nothing else.

Failing that, and IF we HAD to have a guarantor power, then France would be the next best option. (oh yes and they hate the turks too! )

have a nice day

Viva la France

I think Turkey will become a member of the EU whether we like it or not. It's not up to the ordinary citizen to decide. It's already been decided by the politicians and Bilderbergers. I think it'll happen later than sooner, but it might happen a lot sooner than we (would like to) think.

All these different nations are part of the EU. The joint force would be controlled by the EU in the form of representatives from each and every country, including Cyprus. The EU of the future will look very different from the EU of today. There will be a common defence collaboration with an EU army one of these days. I think so, those who live will find out. An attack on an EU member will be seen as an attack on the EU as an entity.

Cyprus should be independent indeed. But in reality no EU member is 100% independent since they're members of an organisation bigger than the individual states. This will be even more obvious in the future when the EU will transform into something else. Whether we like it or not the EU will change. One day it will stand bewildered at a crossroads. The choices will be as follows: 1) crumble and fall or 2) turn into The Federal States of Europe. If I'm allowed to put on my tinfoil hat I'd like to say that I think the latter is most likely the plan laid out by the Bilderberg Group.

The poll was simple but the choices offered made it a difficult vote. There should have been "neither" to choose from as well. You don't have to read my long explanations. It's your choice. My choice was to present them. This is a discussion forum. You either take part in the discussion or you don't. You have no right to deny me my freedom of speech offered at this forum! You have every right to ignore my postings though.

Russia possibly wanting to be "a pain in the west's arse" doesn't sound like a good guarantor to me. It sounds like some very fat arses could choose to sit themselves down on Cyprus and squash her in the process. Cyprus is, with her EU membership, effectively part of "the west". The EU and the US is considered the core of "the west". Exactly what is Russia? The east? Not anymore. They're more "western" than they've ever been. The east of today is China. I can appreciate that Russia doesn't want to be part of "the west"... but they're definitely somewhere in between the west and the east. I think the EU should be "somewhere in between" as well.

If you can't trust the EU you can't trust France because she is part of this union too you know. A former colonial power known to be appeasers and white flag wavers in more recent times? I'm not so sure I'd place my bet on them. I think the best defence for Cyprus (if one is needed) it would be the entire EU standing behind one of her smaller member states.

Like I said in another reply in this thread. In a longer perspective the future threats of Cyprus will not be clashes between GC and TC. The EU must protect all her boundaries against any external enemies. The world is changing and the EU must change with her. Otherwise the EU will collapse and her members will be dominated by foreign powers.

[roseandchan]

russian has now shown its true colours. what is stopping it moving on in to e.u countries. how are the e.u going to stop this? by talking! look how countries stand by and let this stuff happen. bosnia,cyprus,georgia. now russia has money in its pocket who knows what their next move will be.

[Nikitas]

The EU tried to get a common foreign policy and a viable rapid deployment force, and almost succeded till Britain nixed the plan.

Like I said before, Britain, Turkey and Israel should join the USA as states. They do not belong in a European community. They do not behave like European countries. When they do then Europe will have an army and a foreign policy.

[zan]

Zan, please read your comment about who supplied Greece with arms!

Greece is one of America's biggest customers for arms. Cyprus bought thirty used Russian tanks back in the 60s. How does that make Russia a supplier of Greece? Are you connected with reality or what?

MOSCOW. (Military commentator Nikita Petrov for RIA Novosti) - The Athens authorities have decided to buy 415 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles from Russia.

Greece is a NATO member, and so its decision to buy military equipment in Russia could be seen as sensational. However, it is not the first time Greece has bought weapons from Russia.

Nearly all of its air defense system consists of Russian-made weapons, such as the portable Igla missile system, the Osa-AKM, Tor-M1 and Buk-M1-2 short- and medium-range systems, and the S-300PMU-1.

Moreover, Greece also has the Russian-made Fagot and Kornet antitank guided missile systems, and the world's largest military hovercraft, Zubr (NATO reporting name Pomornik).

But this time Greece is buying many infantry fighting vehicles for more than 1.2 billion euros.


http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20071210/91684719.html

What do you think Nikitas????

[Nikitas]

Now as to the thread, who should guarantee Cyprus, Greece or Russia.

Neither!

No one will defend someone else's territory. If we cannot defend ourselves we are buggered. THis demilitarisation trip some people are on is nonsense. Cyprus should have the means to sink any ship and drop any plane that violates its territory. If it does not then it is not an independent country. An island nation having an army, but not an air force or navy is a joke, and we have been indulging in this joke since the creation of the national guard back in the 60s. The NG is an army, the last thing we need as an island nation.