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[Big Al]

I have decided that I would prefer Russia as a guarantor power instead of Greece. Is there a chance that this could ever happen? Which would you prefer if you are a GC and had to choose?

Please tell me this poll is some sort of joke and not supposed to be taken seriously........what a twit!
The number of responses indicates the stupidity of your question

You're the twit for responding for something you think was stupid, so stay out. The purpose of this poll is much deeper then your bird brain will comprehend.

You must having the same fantasies as Oracle regarding Russia coming to your rescue and fighting your battle for you against those mean turks.

Turkey has failed Cyprus as a guarantor power, as it was obligated under The Treaty of Guarantee to stabilise Cyprus in line with it's current 1960 Zurich constitution and to also respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the island. Turkey has done neither, and hence is a failed Guarantor. The Treaty of Guarantee has been violated and as such, Cypriots can never again accept Turkey as a Guarantor.

This is The Treaty of Guarantee:

CYPRUS-TREATY OF GUARANTEE
Nicosia, 16 August 1960

ARTICLE IV
In the event of a breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom undertake to consult together with respect to the representations or measure necessary to ensure observance of those provisions.

In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of reestablishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty.

http://teaching.law.cornell.edu/faculty ... rantee.pdf

And this is how Turkey had failed Cyprus as a Guarantor:

“There were thus not one but two military operations carried out by Turkey on
Cyprus. The first one, launched on July 20, had seemed to be both consistent with and a
natural extension of fourteen years of Turkish policy in support of the 1960 Treaties of
Guarantee and Alliance. However, with the successful landing of troops on Cyprus in
July, Turkish objectives appear to have changed dramatically. Suddenly, Turkey was no
longer arguing in defense of the status quo, but rather was seeking to overthrow it.
Turkey’s objective now became the replacement of the governmental structure that had
been in place since 1960 with a framework based upon the concept of taksim, the division of the island’s Greek and Turkish communities.”

[b]TURKEY CAN NEVER BE A GUARANTOR TO CYPRUS AS TURKEY HAS DEMONSTRATED AND VIOLATED THE TREATY OF GUARANTEE ITSELF.[size=18][/size][/b]

I voted for Russia as Guarantor.

Sources: As per link above + GR post

Pahpitis, you can say "Turkey can never be a guarantor to Cyprus" over and over again until you're blue in the face, the funny thing is Turkey is a guarantor power and both the GC President and the GC community will not only accept this but vote for it too in a referendum if you want a reunified Cyprus...watch and see
You will have to accept it...Eshek gibi !!!

Of cource, the alternative to this is to "Eshek gibi" not have a "reunified Cyprus" (the current split is illegal anyway,) so that in 2009 we will be able to "Eshek gibi" kick your "motherland quarantor" out of her EU acession process. Your community will "Eshek gibi" continue to remain isolated in the north (no chance for recognition,) until you and your "motherland" "Eshek gibi" come to your senses!

Mark my words......ESHEK GIBI!!!
You, your president and your countrymen will all accept and vote, watch and learn

[Agios Ionas]

Russia is a powerful nation. The EU should do its best to get on well with Russia and vice versa. Both would benefit from the best of friendships and mutual agreements/business etc.

But for the EU to give Russia carte blanche to intervene in Cyprus (EU soil)... no! That would be a dangerous move to make. I also think the UN would never approve of such a thing... especially not with the US/UK pulling some strings.

Russia is a superpower rising again. You can never trust a superpower 100%. They always have an agenda of some sorts. If their agenda is different from yours a confrontation is certain to leave you the mangled one.

And even if Russia was to be trusted at 100% for a thousand years to come or more there is something that speaks against their involvement as a guarantor power. They have nothing to do with Cyprus.

UK, Turkey and Greece were once chosen for obvious reasons. These were the so called motherlands and the former colonial master. Then Turkey abused her guarantor power status and thus is out of the picture as a guarantor for a future reunited Cyprus. The status of Greece is (or at least should be) equally nullled for at least two reasons. 1) the involvement in the EOKA-B coup and 2) if one "motherland" (Turkey) is out of the equation so should the other (Greece).

The UK can be a guarantor, but not on its own. Because last time they chose to not intervene. And they were also playing games that led to the division of the island. I would like to say that they shouldn't be a guarantor at all because of this. But with Cyprus and the UK in the EU it's not that easy I'm afraid. We also have the deal with the SBA's. It's easier to count out Greece because of the 'no motherland involvement argument' even though Greece is a member of the EU and Turkey not.

I'm not able to vote because I wouldn't want Greece nor Russia (and definitely not Turkey) as a guarantor... and rather not the UK. And above I tried to reason why.

My suggestion is as follows:

The EU is a guarantor. The EU should create a joint force for this purpose with soldiers from all countries that wants to participate except from Greece. The amount of UK soldiers should be kept to an absolute minimum since they already have forces at the SBA's. GC and TC soldiers should be in this joint force for obvious reasons.

Once Turkey is a member of the EU an appropriate amount of Turkish soldiers can be part of the joint force... if, and this is paramount, if the TC's of Cyprus still think it is necessary with Turkish presence. If this happens the door would then be opened for Greece to participate in the joint force providing the GC's want that of course. For these decisions to be made the TC and GC communities will have to be able to vote about it.

Sounds like a reasonable idea?

[roseandchan]

why is there not a 'neither' vote option? leave it alone as it is. cyprus has enought problems to sort out without anymore guarantors.

[Big Al]

Just thought of a positive or negative (depending on your morals), if russia were to become a guarantor wouldnt that mean the isalnd could be flooded with more "natasha's"?????????
Cyprus could become the sex capital of the mediterranean....a true island of venus!!!

[zan]

Russia has always been a guarantor power in Cyprus......Who the hell supplied Greece with weapons for so long???

[miltiades]

Russia is a powerful nation. The EU should do its best to get on well with Russia and vice versa. Both would benefit from the best of friendships and mutual agreements/business etc.

But for the EU to give Russia carte blanche to intervene in Cyprus (EU soil)... no! That would be a dangerous move to make. I also think the UN would never approve of such a thing... especially not with the US/UK pulling some strings.

Russia is a superpower rising again. You can never trust a superpower 100%. They always have an agenda of some sorts. If their agenda is different from yours a confrontation is certain to leave you the mangled one.

And even if Russia was to be trusted at 100% for a thousand years to come or more there is something that speaks against their involvement as a guarantor power. They have nothing to do with Cyprus.

UK, Turkey and Greece were once chosen for obvious reasons. These were the so called motherlands and the former colonial master. Then Turkey abused her guarantor power status and thus is out of the picture as a guarantor for a future reunited Cyprus. The status of Greece is (or at least should be) equally nullled for at least two reasons. 1) the involvement in the EOKA-B coup and 2) if one "motherland" (Turkey) is out of the equation so should the other (Greece).

The UK can be a guarantor, but not on its own. Because last time they chose to not intervene. And they were also playing games that led to the division of the island. I would like to say that they shouldn't be a guarantor at all because of this. But with Cyprus and the UK in the EU it's not that easy I'm afraid. We also have the deal with the SBA's. It's easier to count out Greece because of the 'no motherland involvement argument' even though Greece is a member of the EU and Turkey not.

I'm not able to vote because I wouldn't want Greece nor Russia (and definitely not Turkey) as a guarantor... and rather not the UK. And above I tried to reason why.

My suggestion is as follows:

The EU is a guarantor. The EU should create a joint force for this purpose with soldiers from all countries that wants to participate except from Greece. The amount of UK soldiers should be kept to an absolute minimum since they already have forces at the SBA's. GC and TC soldiers should be in this joint force for obvious reasons.

Once Turkey is a member of the EU an appropriate amount of Turkish soldiers can be part of the joint force... if, and this is paramount, if the TC's of Cyprus still think it is necessary with Turkish presence. If this happens the door would then be opened for Greece to participate in the joint force providing the GC's want that of course. For these decisions to be made the TC and GC communities will have to be able to vote about it.

Sounds like a reasonable idea?

The EU is the most successful ever union amongst nations who is continually becoming more influential in world affairs . If any guarantors are needed then the EU would be the most suitable force.
I agree entirely with your views.

[Big Al]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
please lets have russia as a guarantor, for the love of god, please think of the poor natasha's!!!!!

[roseandchan]

i think the trouble with the e.u is that there are too many chief's and not enought indian's. look at the situation in georgia. the e.u have done a lot of talking with both sides. that didn't stop people dying or being displaced. in 2008 stuff like this should not be happening on the e.u doorstep. talk is cheap and thats all the e.u are good at.

[pantheman]

Once Turkey is a member of the EU an appropriate amount of Turkish soldiers can be part of the joint force... if, and this is paramount, if the TC's of Cyprus still think it is necessary with Turkish presence. If this happens the door would then be opened for Greece to participate in the joint force providing the GC's want that of course. For these decisions to be made the TC and GC communities will have to be able to vote about it.

Sounds like a reasonable idea?

Firstly, you are having a laugh, Turkey in the EU? You have to be kidding, there is no chance of that.

All these different nations making up a guarantor, utter rubbish, who controls who mate?

We need our independence and we don't need any guarantor powers from anyone. What other nations have all these guarantor powers standing by?

The poll was simple Greece or Russia, you either voted or not. No need for the long explanations.

IMHO, Greece would not do, she has cosied up with turkey businesswise of late, she will not risk that for us, Russia, has alot more to gain, mainly to be a pain in the wests arse if nothing else.

Failing that, and IF we HAD to have a guarantor power, then France would be the next best option. (oh yes and they hate the turks too! )

have a nice day

Viva la France

[roseandchan]

was it not racist france which banned headscalfs recently? democracy i think not. were they not the cowards during the last war along with the italians? great guarantor power they would be .lol.