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[miltiades]

Zan , surely this following post was dictated by you , in fact I have you sussed out , you are in fact Oracle
every one of her posts is in concurrence with your views , you are one and the same person ZAN = ORACLE !!!
This is how our double agent sees our T/C new friend :

""""BTW ... you can fool everybody else .. but the very fact you called yourself a Northern Cypriot has let the cat out of the bag as far as I am concerned. I have you sussed and it is a matter of time before your devious attempts to create a North Cyprus distinct from South Cyprus is picked up by others .... Keep trying to cover your tracks! """

Well Zan / Oracle I'm from Stroumbi the Great , distinctly separate from Polis I would say !!!

All this and not a single glass of wine , on duty this evening .

And so long as you are happy with a North Cyprus and a South Cyprus as Vuryek and Zan both are, then what class of partitionist does that make you?

At least I only see ONE Cyprus! ... and I object when others have already divided it as Vuryek and Zan have! ... go back to V's early posts!

( Zan and Vuryek are playing some game with you, which, wine or no wine you are oblivious to, since all one has to do is call themselves a True Cypriot and you are climbing in to bed with them.)

HERE IT IS ZAN !!!

OK! I wasn't really reading either of your posts so I did not notice....Oracle is as effective as the proverbial chocolate thingami.....I really would not worry...It would have given me a laugh had I read it though....

Oh look ... I managed to get the two of you together at last!

You can have us both , but cant see your legs though !

[zan]

Zan , surely this following post was dictated by you , in fact I have you sussed out , you are in fact Oracle
every one of her posts is in concurrence with your views , you are one and the same person ZAN = ORACLE !!!
This is how our double agent sees our T/C new friend :

""""BTW ... you can fool everybody else .. but the very fact you called yourself a Northern Cypriot has let the cat out of the bag as far as I am concerned. I have you sussed and it is a matter of time before your devious attempts to create a North Cyprus distinct from South Cyprus is picked up by others .... Keep trying to cover your tracks! """

Well Zan / Oracle I'm from Stroumbi the Great , distinctly separate from Polis I would say !!!

All this and not a single glass of wine , on duty this evening .

And so long as you are happy with a North Cyprus and a South Cyprus as Vuryek and Zan both are, then what class of partitionist does that make you?

At least I only see ONE Cyprus! ... and I object when others have already divided it as Vuryek and Zan have! ... go back to V's early posts!

( Zan and Vuryek are playing some game with you, which, wine or no wine you are oblivious to, since all one has to do is call themselves a True Cypriot and you are climbing in to bed with them.)

HERE IT IS ZAN !!!

OK! I wasn't really reading either of your posts so I did not notice....Oracle is as effective as the proverbial chocolate thingami.....I really would not worry...It would have given me a laugh had I read it though....

Oh look ... I managed to get the two of you together at last!

You can have us both , but cant see your legs though !

OMG

[Oracle]

Zan , surely this following post was dictated by you , in fact I have you sussed out , you are in fact Oracle
every one of her posts is in concurrence with your views , you are one and the same person ZAN = ORACLE !!!
This is how our double agent sees our T/C new friend :

""""BTW ... you can fool everybody else .. but the very fact you called yourself a Northern Cypriot has let the cat out of the bag as far as I am concerned. I have you sussed and it is a matter of time before your devious attempts to create a North Cyprus distinct from South Cyprus is picked up by others .... Keep trying to cover your tracks! """

Well Zan / Oracle I'm from Stroumbi the Great , distinctly separate from Polis I would say !!!

All this and not a single glass of wine , on duty this evening .

And so long as you are happy with a North Cyprus and a South Cyprus as Vuryek and Zan both are, then what class of partitionist does that make you?

At least I only see ONE Cyprus! ... and I object when others have already divided it as Vuryek and Zan have! ... go back to V's early posts!

( Zan and Vuryek are playing some game with you, which, wine or no wine you are oblivious to, since all one has to do is call themselves a True Cypriot and you are climbing in to bed with them.)

HERE IT IS ZAN !!!

OK! I wasn't really reading either of your posts so I did not notice....Oracle is as effective as the proverbial chocolate thingami.....I really would not worry...It would have given me a laugh had I read it though....

Oh look ... I managed to get the two of you together at last!

You can have us both , but cant see your legs though !

OMG

It's all right Zan ... don't get sick with jealousy ... he is all yours!

[zan]

[Viewpoint]

Welcome to the Cyprus Forum, Vuryek.

I have been doing some catching up by reading all you have written on the forum so far and all I can say is,
Welcome to the Forum.

You are giving us information and another points of view different from the NeoPartionist on here who for reasons they only know themselves, are trying to keep Cyprus divided, which can only serve the best interest of those who have, I believe

a) made big gains from the spoils of war
b) are in position of power
c) are the foot soldiers of Turkey
d) racist and hatemongers of the Greek Cypriots
e) racist and hatemongers of the Turkish Cypriots who do not tow the line of fascistic ideas imposed on the TC's by the Denktash types for 30 years, while they kept our people isolated from their fellow citizens, the GC's on the island.
f) they were sold a "bill of goods" to believe that our people would be massacred by the GC's and that giving up their liberty to live under a "corrupted society" was a small sacrifice to save their souls.

These are very clearly the attitude of the two of the most morally corrupted individuals on the forum, VP and Zan. VP has been living on the island for the past 16 years, but you would never know it, since he never posts anything that is negative in what the "trnc" does, but blames all the problems of the north to the embargoes and isolation imposed by the world, and yet, you can buy close to anything you want in the north. As you said, that there is a one car for every two person in the north, despite living in a false economy. Instead, he tries very hard to justify and support policies of the north which are Racist, Undemocratic and violation of Human Rights as a model for the future for Cyprus. Here is a man who was born and raised in the UK for the first 30 years of his life before moving to Cyprus, and yet, he has zero appreciation for True Democracy and Human Rights. As for Zan, he has lived almost all of his life in the UK from age 2, and he too, have a very dim view of Democracy and Human Rights. These two individuals try to pass themselves as the voices of the TC's in the north. Just because our people have been kept as "prisoners" on their own island and spoon fed information from the likes of Denktash with fascistic ideas, as well as our people who have been made to corrupt their moral values to feel comfortable in stealing others land and property to claim them as their own, because the alternative was massacre by the GC's if they refused, so they were made to believe.

For a long time, myself and Birkibrisli, or it seemed, to have been the lone voices in combating these two individuals as well as many others with similar and sometimes even views that are worse, if it's possible, but over the last 6 months, I have seen a change on the forum where more and more TC's are speaking up against the morally corrupted NeoPartitionist, which is very comforting to know. We all want peace, but peace that will take the country in the right direction and not a temporary one where sooner or later we will end up back to the days of 1963 again. But if you listen to these NeoPartionist, that is exactly what they want. They want to have "peace", just like what the Annan Plan offered, so that a partition can happen at later date, but this time legally with the recognition that came with it. I do not believe these are the desires of True Cypriots who genuinely want peace and want a True Federation with every one's democratic and Human Rights in place. Talat so far has shown himself to be all over the place with his comments about what peace should look like, and if "peace" doesn't look like what Turkey wants, or the fascists from the north, then the EU should bend it's rules to accommodate the north, no matter how undemocratic or how much the plan has Human Rights violations. In another words, not only we have created a "corrupt society" in the north, we also want the rest of the EU, with over 400 million people, to become corrupted also by asking them to change the rules to accommodate the 100,000 TC's. Is there no limit to the arrogance of the NeoPartitionist, I ask you.?

Keep up the well written and informative posts that you are making. You are making an impact in what you are saying, so expect to be attacked by the morally corrupted NeoPartitionist. Birkibrisli and I have gotten used to it over time. Desperate people do desperate things, and the evidence is all over this forum by those individuals.

We all have a right to our opinions and living here in the TRNC allows me the opportunity to hear read first hand what the majority of TC think and feel. People like you and Vuryek are also free to air your views but luckily enough you are a very small minority or otheriwse the whole island would have been a GC state by now and the TC just reduced to a minority status.

Why dont you and Vuryek tell us what safeguards do you want for the TC community in a solution and dont spin the True Democracy cause it dont exsist, there are only shades of democracy.

[Viewpoint]

Welcome to the Cyprus Forum, Vuryek.

I have been doing some catching up by reading all you have written on the forum so far and all I can say is,
Welcome to the Forum.

You are giving us information and another points of view different from the NeoPartionist on here who for reasons they only know themselves, are trying to keep Cyprus divided, which can only serve the best interest of those who have, I believe

a) made big gains from the spoils of war
b) are in position of power
c) are the foot soldiers of Turkey
d) racist and hatemongers of the Greek Cypriots
e) racist and hatemongers of the Turkish Cypriots who do not tow the line of fascistic ideas imposed on the TC's by the Denktash types for 30 years, while they kept our people isolated from their fellow citizens, the GC's on the island.
f) they were sold a "bill of goods" to believe that our people would be massacred by the GC's and that giving up their liberty to live under a "corrupted society" was a small sacrifice to save their souls.

These are very clearly the attitude of the two of the most morally corrupted individuals on the forum, VP and Zan. VP has been living on the island for the past 16 years, but you would never know it, since he never posts anything that is negative in what the "trnc" does, but blames all the problems of the north to the embargoes and isolation imposed by the world, and yet, you can buy close to anything you want in the north. As you said, that there is a one car for every two person in the north, despite living in a false economy. Instead, he tries very hard to justify and support policies of the north which are Racist, Undemocratic and violation of Human Rights as a model for the future for Cyprus. Here is a man who was born and raised in the UK for the first 30 years of his life before moving to Cyprus, and yet, he has zero appreciation for True Democracy and Human Rights. As for Zan, he has lived almost all of his life in the UK from age 2, and he too, have a very dim view of Democracy and Human Rights. These two individuals try to pass themselves as the voices of the TC's in the north. Just because our people have been kept as "prisoners" on their own island and spoon fed information from the likes of Denktash with fascistic ideas, as well as our people who have been made to corrupt their moral values to feel comfortable in stealing others land and property to claim them as their own, because the alternative was massacre by the GC's if they refused, so they were made to believe.

For a long time, myself and Birkibrisli, or it seemed, to have been the lone voices in combating these two individuals as well as many others with similar and sometimes even views that are worse, if it's possible, but over the last 6 months, I have seen a change on the forum where more and more TC's are speaking up against the morally corrupted NeoPartitionist, which is very comforting to know. We all want peace, but peace that will take the country in the right direction and not a temporary one where sooner or later we will end up back to the days of 1963 again. But if you listen to these NeoPartionist, that is exactly what they want. They want to have "peace", just like what the Annan Plan offered, so that a partition can happen at later date, but this time legally with the recognition that came with it. I do not believe these are the desires of True Cypriots who genuinely want peace and want a True Federation with every one's democratic and Human Rights in place. Talat so far has shown himself to be all over the place with his comments about what peace should look like, and if "peace" doesn't look like what Turkey wants, or the fascists from the north, then the EU should bend it's rules to accommodate the north, no matter how undemocratic or how much the plan has Human Rights violations. In another words, not only we have created a "corrupt society" in the north, we also want the rest of the EU, with over 400 million people, to become corrupted also by asking them to change the rules to accommodate the 100,000 TC's. Is there no limit to the arrogance of the NeoPartitionist, I ask you.?

Keep up the well written and informative posts that you are making. You are making an impact in what you are saying, so expect to be attacked by the morally corrupted NeoPartitionist. Birkibrisli and I have gotten used to it over time. Desperate people do desperate things, and the evidence is all over this forum by those individuals.

We all have a right to our opinions and living here in the TRNC allows me the opportunity to hear read first hand what the majority of TC think and feel. People like you and Vuryek are also free to air your views but luckily enough you are a very small minority or otheriwse the whole island would have been a GC state by now and the TC just reduced to a minority status.

Why dont you and Vuryek tell us what safeguards do you want for the TC community in a solution and dont spin the True Democracy cause it dont exsist, there are only shades of democracy.

[repulsewarrior]

zan, what is wrong with a National Assembly? what is wrong with one that is equal for Greeks then?

It is possible to have a State where as Individuals we can represent ourselves as a People, as this island's dwellers, it's steward, Cypriots; call it the United Federal Republic, have it's Official Language as English if we will.

whether as Persons, we identify ourselves as one "majority" or the other, the objective of our betterment as Humans is demonstrated by our inclusiveness, and our abilities to provide for the special needs of all kinds of people, as minorities. two (or three, or many) National Assemblies, will give us the power to sustain our communal heritance in this manner.

a strong central government will protect us if they do not.

Servng the will of all Cypriots, by Cypriots, strong and able to defend our Individual Rights will not be hard through a Bicameral Legislature where each elector votes exactly in the same manner, for three representatives as I have described in my Manifesto.

Bicommunal is anything but two governments which are exclusive, and mutually isolated from each other.

...just as Bizonal does not mean tearing the island in two.

[Tim Drayton]

Vuryek, don't misunderstand me, I am not disuputing what you say about importing trade unions from Turkey, but this is the first time I have heard about such a development. Are you saying that Turkish Cypriots are now being encouraged/pressurised into leaving Turkish Cypriot trade unions and joining mainland Turkish unions instead? Can you provide any links to information about this (in Turkish or English)? If it is true, it is a worrying development, and eerily harks back to the campaign waged in the late fifties by the TMT to force Turkish Cypriot workers to leave PEO-affiliated trade unions, which cost the lives of people like Fazıl Önder. I only hope we do not see a repeat of such tactics.

[halil]

To VURYEK;

Do u have any idea why YKP left the UNİTED CYPRUS PLATFORM .
And calling to unite under the CYPRUS PEACE PLATFORM.
what is the trouble ? Who were in United Cyprus Platform .

it was on yesterday and today news .But from news sources we can not understand why they left the platform .

here is the news only we can get .

YKP “Birleşik Kıbrıs Platformu”ndan çekildi

Yeni Kıbrıs Partisi (YKP), “Birleşik Kıbrıs Platformu”yla ilişkilerini sonlandırmaya karar verdiğini açıkladı.
“Barış İçin İki Toplumlu İnisiyatif”le de ne Partinin ne de başta Yürütme Kurulu Sekreteri Murat Kanatlı olmak üzere herhangi bir yetkilisinin ilişkisi olduğunu belirten YKP, Partinin “Kıbrıs Barış Platformu” bileşeni olduğunu vurguladı.
YKP Yürütme Kurulu Sekreteri Murat Kanatlı, yaptığı yazılı açıklamada, “çözüm ve yeniden birleşmeden yana olan Kıbrıs’ın tüm örgütlerini”, Kıbrıs Barış Platformu’nun içinde veya Platform’la birlikte mücadele etmeye çağırdı.
Kanatlı, ayrıca, “YKP, Kıbrıs’ın birleştirilmesi ve sınırsız, silahsız, garantörsüz bir Kıbrıs için çeşitli platformlarda, farklı örgütlerle eşitlik, saygı, tolerans ve ilkeler çerçevesinde iş ve güç birliği yaparak mücadelesini sürdürmeye de kararlıdır” dedi.

17-09-2008


declaration from PEACE PLATFORM was as follows:

Cyprus Peace Platform common declaration
The root cause of our island’s problem is the protracted nature of the Cyprus conflict. With the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus, both communities gained political status but because of the communal conflict, external and military interventions, secessionism and the sharing wrangle the problem has become complicated.

The Cyprus problem can be solved on the basis of; the 1960 agreements which created Republic of Cyprus, 1977-79 High Level Agreements coupled with the UN’s mission of good offices, political equality of the two communities, bi-zonal, bi-communal federal state which is a member of the EU. Waving away the existing prejudices and the nationalistic actions, increasing the contacts and opening more crossing points will be important steps taken towards a solution. The will for a solution should come from the Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot communities. Thus for a settlement, common organisation and struggle is needed.

For the future of our island the two communities, it is imperative that a solution is found soon. The representatives of the both communities should stop blaming each other and come together at the negotiation table in cooperation to reach a solution. Chauvinist expressions, military exercises, nationalistic curriculum, national symbol fetishism and two separate economies are major elements hindering the rapprochement of the two communities.

Cyprus problem has created extraordinary living conditions on our island for a long time. During the prevailing political process, the Turkish Cypriot community is specially faced with economic, cultural and social assimilation. Turkish Cypriots are in the minority in their country due to the understanding of obedience to orders. Turkey following her military intervention on 1974 has physically divided the island into two and created “a subordinate state” on the North, dependent to her.

The mentality that does not trust the Turkish Cypriots, in contradiction to the Geneva Convention has transferred people to the island and changed the demographic structure. The created political system has diminished the productivity of the Turkish Cypriots and the assimilation is carried on in every manner. While Turkish Cypriots emigrate due to the economic and political difficulties, the policies to change the demographic structure of the island are continued.

In addition to the usual interventions during election times, Turkey is also intervening to the every day life due to the economic dependence on her and the transitional article No.10 of the constitution. All these developments are diminishing the political will, identity and the existence of the Turkish Cypriot community. Domination of the Turkish Cypriots political will is not acceptable. The relations between Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots should be handled on the bases of equals. Turkish Cypriot’s self rule is fundamental.

Within this context; we declare to the public that; we are determined to struggle on until we achieve our basic aims below and for this purpose we shall cooperate and combine our strength and actions as deemed necessary.

· To reclaim the political will of the Turkish Cypriots lost by the demographic change,

· To put an end to chauvinism, nationalism and the cultural, political and economical assimilation of the Turkish Cypriots,

· To resist the outside interferences and to achieve a democratic and transparent civilian authority based on the Turkish Cypriot’s will,

· By not wasting any time; to create a united, federal Cyprus solution to the Cyprus problem based on the will of the Turkish and Greek Cypriots.



CYPRUS PEACE PLATFORM

Cyprus Turkish Teachers’ Trade Union (KTÖS), Cyprus Turkish Secondary Education Teachers’ Trade Union (KTOEÖS), Cyprus Turkish Physicians Trade Union (Tıp-İş), Eastern Mediterranean University Unity and Solidarity Union (DAÜ-Bir-Sen), Cyprus EU Association (KAB), Communal Democracy Party (TDP), United Cyprus Party (BKP), New Cyprus Party (YKP), Cyprus Publisher’s Association (Kıb-Yay), State Workers Trade Union (Çağ-Sen).

03/02/08

[zan]

zan, what is wrong with a National Assembly? what is wrong with one that is equal for Greeks then?

It is possible to have a State where as Individuals we can represent ourselves as a People, as this island's dwellers, it's steward, Cypriots; call it the United Federal Republic, have it's Official Language as English if we will.

whether as Persons, we identify ourselves as one "majority" or the other, the objective of our betterment as Humans is demonstrated by our inclusiveness, and our abilities to provide for the special needs of all kinds of people, as minorities. two (or three, or many) National Assemblies, will give us the power to sustain our communal heritance in this manner.

a strong central government will protect us if they do not.

Servng the will of all Cypriots, by Cypriots, strong and able to defend our Individual Rights will not be hard through a Bicameral Legislature where each elector votes exactly in the same manner, for three representatives as I have described in my Manifesto.

Bicommunal is anything but two governments which are exclusive, and mutually isolated from each other.

...just as Bizonal does not mean tearing the island in two.

What do YOU think with Halils post above from the: declaration from PEACE PLATFORM was as follows