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Postby zan » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:41 am

Nikitas wrote:Zan, no one smells blood. Trying to point out that your take is often too narrow. The picture is bigger than presented here by you and VP.


I have posted evidence from all eras and from all angles Nikitas. Political geological, oil based, religious based and others....There is no one angle and I have accepted that but it is you guys that only look at the Turks as the culprits not me....I really think it iis about time you guys did some self analysis before accusing others. :roll: :roll: :roll: You are behaving like a pack of wolves at the moment and have been doing so for two days....I can understand the mad monk that is Miltiades but the rest of you should know better.
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Postby miltiades » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:43 am

zan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
iceman wrote:
iceman wrote:
zan wrote:
Vuryek wrote:
zan wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Vuryek,
You are a real breath of fresh air on this forum. Please keep your views coming.


Tim

Just asking so don't bite my head off...Have you said the same thing to Bananiot at any time??????


You want to be fair? Why dont you support other demostors who want to give Maronites, their homes back? If this is only a TC GC problem why they suffer because of us? If there "must "be a national seperation, why they havent got rights? They are already disappering because of this stupid problem. You want to really protect someone? Protect Maronites first, because they have taken the biggest damage.


Have the Marionites approached the TRNC government and discussed whether they are prepared to live under the TRNC government??? Perhaps they are waiting for a solution??? Things are not black and white...The social problems are not easy to work out!!!



Zan
just like VP you really have no clue about Maronites,do you?
Maronites already live in their own villages which happen to be in north Cyprus...


Zan
I am still waiting for a response to this.As always you are ignoring questions you have no answer.
Your limited /biased knowledge (or lack of it) on Cyprus issue is once more apparent with the Cypriot Maronites situation.

Indeed , Zan's limited knowledge as regards the integral components that launched the detestable conflict amongst our Cypriot people , these components can be reduced down to one single element ."MOTHERLAND NONSENSE " He is besoted with ENOSIS, MAKARIOS , G/CS and with anything else that might interfere with his paranoid attachment to a foreign nation that is clearly one of the two major conflict instigators and currently the one occupying a part of our island. He refered to me , more than once as an assassin , a description that not only is utterly absurd but a proof , if one was needed , of his bitter and twisted outlook on the Cyprus issue. Like VP he abhores the fact that numericaly the G/Cs are greater , he detests the fact that in a free and united Cyprus he will count just as much as anyone else thus dispelling his dreams of returning to the "trnc" and enjoying the "spoils" of his impressive commitment to Turkey .
This is how much he knows about Cyprus and the Cypriot people. My views on the national anthem used by the ROC are very well known , my views on the hoisting of the Greek flag also well known , both activities , Im on record stating that , are anathematic to our struggle to reunite our island as one independent nation , yet Zan throws accusations at me that I want Cyprus exclusively Greek , that I want the Greek flag for Cyprus and that I'm dangerous to the T/C people.
Well he is blatantly wrong and pathetically in search of straw to clutch on .
He stated on this thread that while MILTIADES WANTS CYPRUS ONLY FOR THE GREEKS HE WANTS CYPRUS FOR ALL CYPRIOTS !!!!!!!!
He actually believes these absurd , ludicrous nonsense just as he believes all the other nonsensical statements he obtains from sites that state the G/Cs were butchering the T/Cs since 1922 !!!

I recently posted that from 1967 to 1974 not one single T/C became the victim of intercommunal conflict. Halil reminded me of the murdered T/Cs of November 1967 , in my post I should have made this clear and I fully accept the correction , however , none since then till the dreadful events of 1974 . We can live and work together but we must do so under the banner of Cyprus our natural motherland the country that gave birth to our fathers and their fathers , we are not foreigners on our island , we are CYPRIOTS.


Nice cover for YOUR lack of information as well old man.....You really are wetting yourself aren't you. The half truths you give about 67/74 are your way of telling us you know everything about Cyprus :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I was fully aware of the Nov 15th events , my statement should have said" since 1967 " and not "from" to have made things clearer , however none since Nov 15th 1967 !! Yet you constantly go on about massacres !!
Call it a day Zan you have been well and truly knocked out , get break and come back when study a little more about the Cyprus people , maybe you ought to meet some T/Cs and befriend some , in helps in understanding the minds of the T/Cs and what it is that they want most .
I will tell you in advance mate , they want more Miltiades , Birkibrisly , Icemans too , Vuryek . and many more like minded Cypriots who just want their motherland to survive as one independent nation away from the claws of Turkey and Greece.
You , well , you Zan are OK , you have your motherland but do please consider us Cypriots we too want our motherland to be free.
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Postby zan » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:44 am

iceman wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
zan wrote:So you learned a different way to the rest of us did you..... :roll: :roll: :roll:


Iceman EXPERIENCED these events in Limassol while you heard about them SECOND HAND growing up in Stoke Newington.



Thank you Tim...couldn't have put it better myself...
The experience thing applies to whole island not just Limassol...No substitute to living through times and learning at first hand..


And if that were the only criteria needed for a full and conclusive understanding of the Cyprob then all TCs would think like you...Apparently they don't so what is your explanation...They have been brain washed and you are the only survivor???? My aunts, uncles, cousins and many more relatives and friends don't think like you so how can that be when they went through it also... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby zan » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:51 am

miltiades wrote:
zan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
iceman wrote:
iceman wrote:
zan wrote:
Vuryek wrote:
zan wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Vuryek,
You are a real breath of fresh air on this forum. Please keep your views coming.


Tim

Just asking so don't bite my head off...Have you said the same thing to Bananiot at any time??????


You want to be fair? Why dont you support other demostors who want to give Maronites, their homes back? If this is only a TC GC problem why they suffer because of us? If there "must "be a national seperation, why they havent got rights? They are already disappering because of this stupid problem. You want to really protect someone? Protect Maronites first, because they have taken the biggest damage.


Have the Marionites approached the TRNC government and discussed whether they are prepared to live under the TRNC government??? Perhaps they are waiting for a solution??? Things are not black and white...The social problems are not easy to work out!!!



Zan
just like VP you really have no clue about Maronites,do you?
Maronites already live in their own villages which happen to be in north Cyprus...


Zan
I am still waiting for a response to this.As always you are ignoring questions you have no answer.
Your limited /biased knowledge (or lack of it) on Cyprus issue is once more apparent with the Cypriot Maronites situation.

Indeed , Zan's limited knowledge as regards the integral components that launched the detestable conflict amongst our Cypriot people , these components can be reduced down to one single element ."MOTHERLAND NONSENSE " He is besoted with ENOSIS, MAKARIOS , G/CS and with anything else that might interfere with his paranoid attachment to a foreign nation that is clearly one of the two major conflict instigators and currently the one occupying a part of our island. He refered to me , more than once as an assassin , a description that not only is utterly absurd but a proof , if one was needed , of his bitter and twisted outlook on the Cyprus issue. Like VP he abhores the fact that numericaly the G/Cs are greater , he detests the fact that in a free and united Cyprus he will count just as much as anyone else thus dispelling his dreams of returning to the "trnc" and enjoying the "spoils" of his impressive commitment to Turkey .
This is how much he knows about Cyprus and the Cypriot people. My views on the national anthem used by the ROC are very well known , my views on the hoisting of the Greek flag also well known , both activities , Im on record stating that , are anathematic to our struggle to reunite our island as one independent nation , yet Zan throws accusations at me that I want Cyprus exclusively Greek , that I want the Greek flag for Cyprus and that I'm dangerous to the T/C people.
Well he is blatantly wrong and pathetically in search of straw to clutch on .
He stated on this thread that while MILTIADES WANTS CYPRUS ONLY FOR THE GREEKS HE WANTS CYPRUS FOR ALL CYPRIOTS !!!!!!!!
He actually believes these absurd , ludicrous nonsense just as he believes all the other nonsensical statements he obtains from sites that state the G/Cs were butchering the T/Cs since 1922 !!!

I recently posted that from 1967 to 1974 not one single T/C became the victim of intercommunal conflict. Halil reminded me of the murdered T/Cs of November 1967 , in my post I should have made this clear and I fully accept the correction , however , none since then till the dreadful events of 1974 . We can live and work together but we must do so under the banner of Cyprus our natural motherland the country that gave birth to our fathers and their fathers , we are not foreigners on our island , we are CYPRIOTS.


Nice cover for YOUR lack of information as well old man.....You really are wetting yourself aren't you. The half truths you give about 67/74 are your way of telling us you know everything about Cyprus :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I was fully aware of the Nov 15th events , my statement should have said" since 1967 " and not "from" to have made things clearer , however none since Nov 15th 1967 !! Yet you constantly go on about massacres !!
Call it a day Zan you have been well and truly knocked out , get break and come back when study a little more about the Cyprus people , maybe you ought to meet some T/Cs and befriend some , in helps in understanding the minds of the T/Cs and what it is that they want most .
I will tell you in advance mate , they want more Miltiades , Birkibrisly , Icemans too , Vuryek . and many more like minded Cypriots who just want their motherland to survive as one independent nation away from the claws of Turkey and Greece.
You , well , you Zan are OK , you have your motherland but do please consider us Cypriots we too want our motherland to be free.


I keep going on about massacres when they happened old man and not that period....I have asked you to tell us all what the conditions were like for TCs in that period but you ignore that fact because it suits your twisted views. I have told you about the packages we sent to my family because they had nothing and could not earn enough to feed themselves and you ignore it because it does not fit into your plan.......


You bring along a fake that s Vuryek and expect to knock me out with one blow........You are the biggest fake on this Forum old chap and it will take a hell of a lot more than you to knock anyone out. You just provide me with more ammo and incentive to crush your lies and half truths.........My spirit is higher than ever Miltiades. You will never break that. Nice try though!!!!!!!!
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Postby Vuryek » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:36 am

zan wrote:

I keep going on about massacres when they happened old man and not that period....I have asked you to tell us all what the conditions were like for TCs in that period but you ignore that fact because it suits your twisted views. I have told you about the packages we sent to my family because they had nothing and could not earn enough to feed themselves and you ignore it because it does not fit into your plan.......


You bring along a fake that s Vuryek and expect to knock me out with one blow........You are the biggest fake on this Forum old chap and it will take a hell of a lot more than you to knock anyone out. You just provide me with more ammo and incentive to crush your lies and half truths.........My spirit is higher than ever Miltiades. You will never break that. Nice try though!!!!!!!!


I see, thats all what you know. You can only talk about "you ,me, he, she" bot nothing about Cyprus. All you know is how to insult, and to create 3rd class conspiracy theories... You are obsessive about speculative topics because you stuck on some events whic occured 1960-1923 but you dont know anything about the rest. History is not only that events. You want to know something really fake? Your age.

I started with you, because you stated that boring and empty conspiracy theory: “Someone has put on these children to write these things to walls”. That’s because you cannot tolerate new generations to be different. You think every new generation must learn a single sided, wrong history and be a simple minded fascist adult. And I say no. We are revealing and teaching everything that we can, so some of them can save their minds from a muggy and dark history thus they can live, think and decide freely.

I am not talking political riddles. High percentage of what I said is REALITY, which has references, sometimes I combine them with my ideas. Because of that reality, you cannot answer anything, you just attack to my age, my personality, trying to prove that you know everything without saying something which makes sense and usually you just say “you don’t understand anything because of riddles”, sorry but I am not a professor of literature, my sentences are quite simple and if you don’t understand them it is your problem.

You are still yakking about solution. I said many times it is not a 2 words child game. You cannot pass everything with just saying “I want a blue solution with some vanilla and chocolate”. Since the problem is “social”, “solution” is also social and they have same major and minor topics. If you want to talk about solution you must talk about Land, Settlers, Government System, Economy, Education, Health, Transporting, Religion …. All of these are huge topics which also have many subtopics. You want to talk about solution? So select one topic and open it as a new issue, so we all can tell our ideas about it and learn others ideas. You first please, enlighten me.

My line is neither Greek nor Turk, as you see I am trying to create ideas from reality. There are enough faults for every community. It doesn’t mean that I believe GC history is clean because of you did not let us to speak anything else.

You want to be balanced? You said “…on a plate and an insult to those that died defending it.” What about the people who died to protect old President Makarios and ROC against coup? I know you don’t care because it is already “Makarios = EOKA = EOKAB = all GC = GREEKS = past = present..” for you. Because of it was not (!) your government and president you have fled to UK and start to throw third class demagogy to Cyprus.

Yes, my kind is not majority but your kind is not majority also, you just cannot tolerate and try to discourage others. You know majority of us want peace and solution somehow, especially different than “TRNC” already it is not a solution, everybody knows.

I can offer you something, you started this “you and me struggle” so let it finish here and from now on let us speak what we know and what we think, not what we are and what we do. We are not important, since reality and ideas are important. I am not going to answer any "you, me, your nose.." style senseless post anymore, I am going to only discuss about reality and ideas. If you don't like what I said about history, just find some references which include counter information. If you dont like my ideas, just offer reasons and yours. But if you continue to offer absolute demagogy against reality, I will only just smile to you.
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Postby zan » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:40 am

Vuryek wrote:
zan wrote:

I keep going on about massacres when they happened old man and not that period....I have asked you to tell us all what the conditions were like for TCs in that period but you ignore that fact because it suits your twisted views. I have told you about the packages we sent to my family because they had nothing and could not earn enough to feed themselves and you ignore it because it does not fit into your plan.......


You bring along a fake that s Vuryek and expect to knock me out with one blow........You are the biggest fake on this Forum old chap and it will take a hell of a lot more than you to knock anyone out. You just provide me with more ammo and incentive to crush your lies and half truths.........My spirit is higher than ever Miltiades. You will never break that. Nice try though!!!!!!!!


I see, thats all what you know. You can only talk about "you ,me, he, she" bot nothing about Cyprus. All you know is how to insult, and to create 3rd class conspiracy theories... You are obsessive about speculative topics because you stuck on some events whic occured 1960-1923 but you dont know anything about the rest. History is not only that events. You want to know something really fake? Your age.

I started with you, because you stated that boring and empty conspiracy theory: “Someone has put on these children to write these things to walls”. That’s because you cannot tolerate new generations to be different. You think every new generation must learn a single sided, wrong history and be a simple minded fascist adult. And I say no. We are revealing and teaching everything that we can, so some of them can save their minds from a muggy and dark history thus they can live, think and decide freely.

I am not talking political riddles. High percentage of what I said is REALITY, which has references, sometimes I combine them with my ideas. Because of that reality, you cannot answer anything, you just attack to my age, my personality, trying to prove that you know everything without saying something which makes sense and usually you just say “you don’t understand anything because of riddles”, sorry but I am not a professor of literature, my sentences are quite simple and if you don’t understand them it is your problem.

You are still yakking about solution. I said many times it is not a 2 words child game. You cannot pass everything with just saying “I want a blue solution with some vanilla and chocolate”. Since the problem is “social”, “solution” is also social and they have same major and minor topics. If you want to talk about solution you must talk about Land, Settlers, Government System, Economy, Education, Health, Transporting, Religion …. All of these are huge topics which also have many subtopics. You want to talk about solution? So select one topic and open it as a new issue, so we all can tell our ideas about it and learn others ideas. You first please, enlighten me.

My line is neither Greek nor Turk, as you see I am trying to create ideas from reality. There are enough faults for every community. It doesn’t mean that I believe GC history is clean because of you did not let us to speak anything else.

You want to be balanced? You said “…on a plate and an insult to those that died defending it.” What about the people who died to protect old President Makarios and ROC against coup? I know you don’t care because it is already “Makarios = EOKA = EOKAB = all GC = GREEKS = past = present..” for you. Because of it was not (!) your government and president you have fled to UK and start to throw third class demagogy to Cyprus.

Yes, my kind is not majority but your kind is not majority also, you just cannot tolerate and try to discourage others. You know majority of us want peace and solution somehow, especially different than “TRNC” already it is not a solution, everybody knows.

I can offer you something, you started this “you and me struggle” so let it finish here and from now on let us speak what we know and what we think, not what we are and what we do. We are not important, since reality and ideas are important. I am not going to answer any "you, me, your nose.." style senseless post anymore, I am going to only discuss about reality and ideas. If you don't like what I said about history, just find some references which include counter information. If you dont like my ideas, just offer reasons and yours. But if you continue to offer absolute demagogy against reality, I will only just smile to you.



I haven't got time top answer you in full but will do later....Just one point I would like to make...I did not accuse or make up conspiracy theories but asked the question of which you seem to know exactly...Can you tell us how you know.....How do you know what involvement these kids have with anyone or anything??? Again... a not saying that you don't but give us some details please because it is important for your story!!!!

Off to work now.....
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Postby halil » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:10 am

iceman wrote:Halil
From your research.Have you found any information regarding the Maronites taking sides in Cyprus issue?


No İceman ,

only i have a information how they have treated badly during Ottoman time , some of them changed their religion from Cristianity to moslem .
They were Catoliks and they were treated also badly by ordox churche in Cyprus during Ottoman time . They did have their great times during the Venation time .
In Cyprus they are loosing their mother language ,they speaks Greek and less Arabic ....Arabic is their mother language .
I am not in my office at the moment , I will give more information tomorrow also i will write second part of the Cyprus from 1960-1974 up to 2008 .which is under the EOKA topic .

have a nice day Iceman !
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Postby Vuryek » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:50 am

zan wrote: Off to work now.....


I know them personally.
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Postby pantheman » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:58 am

Viewpoint wrote:
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The go to hell was not aimed at you.

All minorities sided with GCs against TCs.


Are you ok today VP? It's not like you to tell people to 'go to hell'. And since when do you have a problem with the Maronites? If you carry on making comments like that people will think you have a persecution complex.

Come on now old chap, cheer up a bit.


Im fine thanks for your concern but my response was to the hardliner moron pantheman.


Idiot, look who's talking. You and your bum chum Zan are the hardliners, you need to take a couple of steps back and reflect, given the poison you and zombie boy are spewing.

You don't want a united cyprus, you demand a partition and thats the crucks of all this sh*t you keep throwing, because as each day passes, you are afraid you are going to lose you partionist dreams and will have to live in a united cyprus.

Its ok, don't worry, I have a spare shed you can kip in !
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:12 pm

Welcome to the Cyprus Forum, Vuryek.

I have been doing some catching up by reading all you have written on the forum so far and all I can say is,
Welcome to the Forum.

You are giving us information and another points of view different from the NeoPartionist on here who for reasons they only know themselves, are trying to keep Cyprus divided, which can only serve the best interest of those who have, I believe

a) made big gains from the spoils of war
b) are in position of power
c) are the foot soldiers of Turkey
d) racist and hatemongers of the Greek Cypriots
e) racist and hatemongers of the Turkish Cypriots who do not tow the line of fascistic ideas imposed on the TC's by the Denktash types for 30 years, while they kept our people isolated from their fellow citizens, the GC's on the island.
f) they were sold a "bill of goods" to believe that our people would be massacred by the GC's and that giving up their liberty to live under a "corrupted society" was a small sacrifice to save their souls.

These are very clearly the attitude of the two of the most morally corrupted individuals on the forum, VP and Zan. VP has been living on the island for the past 16 years, but you would never know it, since he never posts anything that is negative in what the "trnc" does, but blames all the problems of the north to the embargoes and isolation imposed by the world, and yet, you can buy close to anything you want in the north. As you said, that there is a one car for every two person in the north, despite living in a false economy. Instead, he tries very hard to justify and support policies of the north which are Racist, Undemocratic and violation of Human Rights as a model for the future for Cyprus. Here is a man who was born and raised in the UK for the first 30 years of his life before moving to Cyprus, and yet, he has zero appreciation for True Democracy and Human Rights. As for Zan, he has lived almost all of his life in the UK from age 2, and he too, have a very dim view of Democracy and Human Rights. These two individuals try to pass themselves as the voices of the TC's in the north. Just because our people have been kept as "prisoners" on their own island and spoon fed information from the likes of Denktash with fascistic ideas, as well as our people who have been made to corrupt their moral values to feel comfortable in stealing others land and property to claim them as their own, because the alternative was massacre by the GC's if they refused, so they were made to believe.

For a long time, myself and Birkibrisli, or it seemed, to have been the lone voices in combating these two individuals as well as many others with similar and sometimes even views that are worse, if it's possible, but over the last 6 months, I have seen a change on the forum where more and more TC's are speaking up against the morally corrupted NeoPartitionist, which is very comforting to know. We all want peace, but peace that will take the country in the right direction and not a temporary one where sooner or later we will end up back to the days of 1963 again. But if you listen to these NeoPartionist, that is exactly what they want. They want to have "peace", just like what the Annan Plan offered, so that a partition can happen at later date, but this time legally with the recognition that came with it. I do not believe these are the desires of True Cypriots who genuinely want peace and want a True Federation with every one's democratic and Human Rights in place. Talat so far has shown himself to be all over the place with his comments about what peace should look like, and if "peace" doesn't look like what Turkey wants, or the fascists from the north, then the EU should bend it's rules to accommodate the north, no matter how undemocratic or how much the plan has Human Rights violations. In another words, not only we have created a "corrupt society" in the north, we also want the rest of the EU, with over 400 million people, to become corrupted also by asking them to change the rules to accommodate the 100,000 TC's. Is there no limit to the arrogance of the NeoPartitionist, I ask you.?

Keep up the well written and informative posts that you are making. You are making an impact in what you are saying, so expect to be attacked by the morally corrupted NeoPartitionist. Birkibrisli and I have gotten used to it over time. Desperate people do desperate things, and the evidence is all over this forum by those individuals.
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