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[Oracle]

"we want to live peacefully and not under GC dominance or discrimination"

OK, but how would the above be compromised by allowing a few hundred Maronite Cypriots to live like human beings in the north? See what I mean about being uptight? Everyone who is not Turkish is seen as a potential enemy even when they clearly are not.

That is utter BS NIkitas.....I have given you pictures where GCs are sat a table in their own cafe eating and drinking. They can even call themselves Greek. Turkey ried to go down the Greek route by not allowing the Kurds to use their own names but it did not work....Turkey has even introduced the letter "Q" into the language to help them. In Greece the Turks are not even allowed to be Turks...They suddenly become Greek Muslims.

What rubbish ... why does Greece provide them with Turkish schools then?

It does what it can to placate the EU and where it can uses them to oppress people.........Something to do with the Trojan Horse and the subsequent ripple of memes or something...I don't know...Don't quite understand the deception gene!!!

If it were that simple, Turkey would have long ago given some Human Rights to its Minorities, in order to placate the EU ....

[zan]

"we want to live peacefully and not under GC dominance or discrimination"

OK, but how would the above be compromised by allowing a few hundred Maronite Cypriots to live like human beings in the north? See what I mean about being uptight? Everyone who is not Turkish is seen as a potential enemy even when they clearly are not.

That is utter BS NIkitas.....I have given you pictures where GCs are sat a table in their own cafe eating and drinking. They can even call themselves Greek. Turkey ried to go down the Greek route by not allowing the Kurds to use their own names but it did not work....Turkey has even introduced the letter "Q" into the language to help them. In Greece the Turks are not even allowed to be Turks...They suddenly become Greek Muslims.

What rubbish ... why does Greece provide them with Turkish schools then?

It does what it can to placate the EU and where it can uses them to oppress people.........Something to do with the Trojan Horse and the subsequent ripple of memes or something...I don't know...Don't quite understand the deception gene!!!

If it were that simple, Turkey would have long ago given some Human Rights to its Minorities, in order to placate the EU ....

ERRRRRM! Is Turkey in the EU...... I believe Greece got in with issues outstanding and as for the "RoC"....hahahahahahhaaa

[BirKibrisli]

Zan

lived in a foreign country because the GCs were starving us out. I had to put up with racism for most of that time along with my family. You guys seem to think we had it so easy in the UK. Your time might be here my friend but I have one last chance to say where my homeland is and am not about to lose that chance. One last chance to feel a part of the soil. One last chance to say I have a place of origin. The TRNC allows me that chance and it isn't until I thought about losing it that made me think how much it matters to me. Your age does not give you the right to give that away. Your age does not give you the right to cut me off from the little bit of Cyprus that is left in me. You simply have no right.

Nice Post Zan- Respect

I do not agree with a lot of your Politics but you are always true to your beliefs good night mate- work at early o clock for me

Good night mate!!!

You moved me to tears with that post,you rascal...
I think you are very lucky if the trnc gives you that sense of belonging we all crave...I am still waiting to find my place in the sun!

Dry your tears mate......I wish I where there to console you


I take what I can get from the TRNC......Just like I will not let the GCs take it away from me then I will not allow any one else. One thing is for sure, the "RoC" has not the tiniest bit of relevance for me. Only pain and sorrow. I have no other choice than the TRNC and to be frank I do not need another choice.

Zan...I think you got this post of mine wrong...I did not mean to mock your sentiments...You were so sincere and so heartfelt that I was literally moved to tears..I think it was the wink which misled you...I appologise,mate...

[BirKibrisli]

My apologies in advance of being rude to you Zombie. WTH has been saying for over two years on this forum that Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots. WTH has been screaming for the last two and half years that his motherland is CYPRUS.
Now you have the audacity to come on and say that YOU , the biggest bloody partitionist , one who has his face embedded in Turkeys arse , YOU WANT CYPRUS FOR ALL CYPRIOTS AND MILITIADES WANTS IT ONLY FOR THE GREEKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> You my friend is bigger PLONKER than I once though , not only a bloody plonker but a clown.
Miltiades has stood for an independent Cyprus , no majorities no minorities , equal rights for all and ALL occupying troops out of CYPRUS. You are are making an arsehole of your self.
I have had , and still do , to endure insults from both sides because of my position , I have been called a traitor , I have suffered the insults even receiving telephone calls from nasty G/Cs and you have the audacity to say I want Cyprus ONLY for Greeks.
Well let Admin ban , but you are one arsehole mate , the biggest !

This is what your offending post said referring to myself :

"""" We are not about to give up our island to the "RoC" no matter which little trick you try to play. Your CYprus belongs to Greeks...My Cyprus belongs to CYpriots who respect the original Zurich agreement or another deal along UN lines. """

Why do you feel the need to apologise for something you have done from the first day you posted Miltiades? There is no need. Name calling does not effect me one bit. I like to join in sometimes because it keeps the mind working.

I have come to realise that you have no idea what will happen to the TCs on the island if you get your way mate. I called you an assassin a few times but I shall have to stop that because you are just a fool that cannot think more than one step ahead. Cyprus will become just another Greek island if you get your way and you are too blind to see it. Another island that I will not be able to associate with. Another island that will wipe my involvement of the face the earth. Well I am glad to say that that will not happen.

Your one dishonesty is not telling us exactly what you mean by "Allowing us our rigts under the Zurich agreement". You have twisted and turned in the hope that you will not have to because it has maybe made you realise that if you were to divulge this detail that those TCs you claim to be on your side will tell you the truth. You don't want to gear it so you even lie to yourself. just thank god that there are people who can see the truth and are not by you like lemmings over a cliff whilst you stand to one side waving them on.

I do not want to get in the way of a good argy-bargy,but,let me ask you this Zan: Do you really think Turkey is in Cyprus solely to protect the TCs??? And,do you really not worry about losing your unique Turkish Cypriot identity via assimilation with Turkey??? And don't you really think we can make a fair go of putting our Cypriotness forward and become one amongst equals???

Am I talking to the same Birkibrisli that I have been talking to for nearly three years. We have been through this a hundred times and I have said that I have no other choice and besides, do not see the Turks as enemies like you do. I saw a most horrific accident in Cyprus where a motor cyclist hit a pedestrian, Pakistani guy, and tore off his leg right in front of our eyes. TC and Turk stopped to the man and took care of the injured people waiting for the ambulance. They are people like you and me so this attitude of yours is really getting up my nose. The world is mixing at an alarming rate........I use the general term of alarming but I should have said fantastic because I think it should.....This is not about who you live with but right of self determination in the face of a hostile take over by the GC administration.

As for Cypriotness.....Who has offered you Cypriotness in the "RoC".....How many of the countless TCs, that some would have us believe live in the "RoC" are represented today. Perhaps there is a line in the Greek national anthem that I might of missed or a small speck in the Greek flag that has a crescent and star. Perhaps when viewing the GC rallies in London I missed the TCs marching along because I was too busty looking at the bearded trainee priests sponsored by the church to march under the Greek flag. Where is our representation in a "RoC" that says it represents all Cypriots. Are they in the tourists gides...OXI.....Are they in the history books...OXI....Are they in Wikipedia that GR is corrupting at an "ALARMING" rate....OXI, OXI, OXI. If iyt where left to you and Miltiades we would be gone in 60 seconds and never seen as part of Cyprus again. Just another minority in my own country. Not a home but another country that I sort of have connections with. It ain't gonna happen Bir so give it up. At best it is a two state solution with self governing at its centre. The TC people will not have it any other way. At best it is recognition for the TRNC which will leave you to chose which country you want to live in and leave us to our own means.

Fine...I was just testing to see if there were any changes or doubts that crept in after your last visit to the North. And let me say this,without any irony,that I understand and respect your sentiments above.That I do not ,or cannot, bring myself to share them is my curse. You can't imagine how difficult it is making my life...

[zan]

Zan

lived in a foreign country because the GCs were starving us out. I had to put up with racism for most of that time along with my family. You guys seem to think we had it so easy in the UK. Your time might be here my friend but I have one last chance to say where my homeland is and am not about to lose that chance. One last chance to feel a part of the soil. One last chance to say I have a place of origin. The TRNC allows me that chance and it isn't until I thought about losing it that made me think how much it matters to me. Your age does not give you the right to give that away. Your age does not give you the right to cut me off from the little bit of Cyprus that is left in me. You simply have no right.

Nice Post Zan- Respect

I do not agree with a lot of your Politics but you are always true to your beliefs good night mate- work at early o clock for me

Good night mate!!!

You moved me to tears with that post,you rascal...
I think you are very lucky if the trnc gives you that sense of belonging we all crave...I am still waiting to find my place in the sun!

Dry your tears mate......I wish I where there to console you


I take what I can get from the TRNC......Just like I will not let the GCs take it away from me then I will not allow any one else. One thing is for sure, the "RoC" has not the tiniest bit of relevance for me. Only pain and sorrow. I have no other choice than the TRNC and to be frank I do not need another choice.

Zan...I think you got this post of mine wrong...I did not mean to mock your sentiments...You were so sincere and so heartfelt that I was literally moved to tears..I think it was the wink which misled you...I appologise,mate...

My apologies Bir...I saw red whilst being attacked by all yesterday and made a massive mistake. The wink did fool me but it shouldn't have.

[Nikitas]

"Cyprus will become just another Greek island if you get your way "

You really do not understand GCs in general and Miltiades in particular. When you look at north and south Cyprus you can really tell yourself that the south has become more Greek than it was in 1974 than the north has become Turkish in the same time? Honestly now......

[Piratis]

Zan can not feel comfortable in a real Cyprus because he knows that a real Cyprus is predominantly Greek in population, culture, religion, history and everything else, and this is somehting he can not accept. He can only feel comfortable in a fake kind of Cyprus which is artificially and by force made to resemble Turkey, ethnically cleansed from its native people, with its historical and cultural heritage destroyed, where the majority is made up by Alatolian Turks (Settlers + Army) who have absolutely nothing to do with our island.

Being a Cypriot means accepting Cyprus for what it really is, and not wanting to change it by force. Zan is not a Cypriot of any kind and that is why he could not live in a real free and democratic Cyprus.

[repulsewarrior]

Unfortunately for the GCs it is the "TC"s and Turkey that make the biggest noise. Not just from their sheer ever-expanding numbers; amounting to no less than 80 Million on our doorstep ever ready to strike and attempt to destroy us with their many tools, be they propaganda, bombs or strategically placed / infiltrated Turks masquerading as so called "TC"s.

We GCs are but the few, numbering less than a million, desperately hanging on to our morally right course, quietly negotiating and shifting our position to satisfy the ever hungry parasitic cuckoos in our midst that have brought NOTHING but Loud and Noisy destruction to our island since they made their slaughterhouse course upon our shores.

And Zan has the audacity to say they are only now being heard ... who did the British listen to all the time if not the Turks and "TC"s? They certainly did not listen to the GCs either when they wanted Enosis or self-determination. It did not matter what we asked for ... we were not heard ... only the ever-demanding Turk-TCs. And now they have what they always aimed for, our Island, occupied ...... still they cry MORE!

Really A while back you and your side kick GR wee saying that the brits were responsible for divide and rule .....At least be consistent with your lies Oracle...You are letting yourself down...Poor girlie!!!

I am consistent.

The "TC"s are the (noisy!) tools!

Really? Thanks

This was not the worst insult I have ever heard, but it is worse enough to enter the list.

There are still many real TC, if you dont want to hear them, just close your eyes and ears.

Soon you will see everything but none of them. Then you will realize what is Turk and what was TC.

Dr.V.!, i kiss you, but do not be offended, maybe there is a difference between a TC and a Turkish Cypriot.

before the British, my village was not "mixed" yet my neighbour was Turkish, the same neighbour over a hundred years. we were more than a socialised society, we were as village dwellers Great Cooperators, life for all of us was idealic. i know the injustice that you speak, and i know that we must demonstrate as his island's dwellers a will which represents to Humanity something for its betterment having an esteem which can be emulated.

our efforts at social engineering has brought us to the point where the words Bizonal, and Bicommunal must be clearly defined so that their Principal can sustain for us a better way of living. We must think futuristicly, hanges to our demographics as a People, and as Persons will lead to more unproductive unrest. Our State must be strong if we expect it to represent us as a Global partner, and to defend our Individual Rights. it is possible therefore, for two National Assemblies to provide as majorities the service which both must complete by a Standard set by all persons as Cypriots in the legislature (or three, I have always suggested that Maronites nee this recognition to sustain themselves, as well)

...read the Manifesto.

and what about enclaves?
how can we end the isolation which will always be a possibility, with a "border",how do weoffer communities. "Turk and/or Greek a recognition that theirdisplacement was not Just? How can we develop the island so that we can enjoy the services that thes communities can provide in a rational manner which has some harmony in its progress? how willother communites grow as the furture may bring peace in the middle east, growth from an African population mobile, now free from hunger and disease. are we able? is our culture of inclusiveness "ending" with our Turkishness an exclusion to our Greekness mutually.

...that sounds like a sorry bit of history to me.

the question is zan, in reply to your choice (but not you in particular)

can you live with something completely different, something like what i have proposed, if it is the choice, where you cannot have Partition, but you are closer to your taxdollar, having self-representation for yourself in your community, as a Cypriot voting as equals, in a single manner, thricely from seperate slates, for an Independant canditate to represent them in the Lower House, as well as one Turkish Cypriot and one Greek Cypriot the political Parties provide as candidates to win in an Upper House having an equal number of chairs to seat them. but this machine is not functional and this is a long sentance, tough not beiable to edit...

if you cannot have "two" governments, or the island torn in two, ...

[BirKibrisli]

Zan

lived in a foreign country because the GCs were starving us out. I had to put up with racism for most of that time along with my family. You guys seem to think we had it so easy in the UK. Your time might be here my friend but I have one last chance to say where my homeland is and am not about to lose that chance. One last chance to feel a part of the soil. One last chance to say I have a place of origin. The TRNC allows me that chance and it isn't until I thought about losing it that made me think how much it matters to me. Your age does not give you the right to give that away. Your age does not give you the right to cut me off from the little bit of Cyprus that is left in me. You simply have no right.

Nice Post Zan- Respect

I do not agree with a lot of your Politics but you are always true to your beliefs good night mate- work at early o clock for me

Good night mate!!!

You moved me to tears with that post,you rascal...
I think you are very lucky if the trnc gives you that sense of belonging we all crave...I am still waiting to find my place in the sun!

Dry your tears mate......I wish I where there to console you


I take what I can get from the TRNC......Just like I will not let the GCs take it away from me then I will not allow any one else. One thing is for sure, the "RoC" has not the tiniest bit of relevance for me. Only pain and sorrow. I have no other choice than the TRNC and to be frank I do not need another choice.

Zan...I think you got this post of mine wrong...I did not mean to mock your sentiments...You were so sincere and so heartfelt that I was literally moved to tears..I think it was the wink which misled you...I appologise,mate...

My apologies Bir...I saw red whilst being attacked by all yesterday and made a massive mistake. The wink did fool me but it shouldn't have.

[iceman]

Vuryek,
You are a real breath of fresh air on this forum. Please keep your views coming.

Tim

Just asking so don't bite my head off...Have you said the same thing to Bananiot at any time??????

You want to be fair? Why dont you support other demostors who want to give Maronites, their homes back? If this is only a TC GC problem why they suffer because of us? If there "must "be a national seperation, why they havent got rights? They are already disappering because of this stupid problem. You want to really protect someone? Protect Maronites first, because they have taken the biggest damage.

Have the Marionites approached the TRNC government and discussed whether they are prepared to live under the TRNC government??? Perhaps they are waiting for a solution??? Things are not black and white...The social problems are not easy to work out!!!

Zan
just like VP you really have no clue about Maronites,do you?
Maronites already live in their own villages which happen to be in north Cyprus...

Zan
I am still waiting for a response to this.As always you are ignoring questions you have no answer.
Your limited /biased knowledge (or lack of it) on Cyprus issue is once more apparent with the Cypriot Maronites situation.