Vuryek wrote:zan wrote:
It certainly seems to be a Cypriot affliction that effects us all......
My Vuryek
You have been here five minutes and are already an expert in how I think and what I have said in nearly three years of posting.
When I first discovered this site it was full of hate and disrespect for us and Turkey. It was racist and bigoted and not a Miltiades existed to moderate their behavior. I came along with a few other TCs and all of a sudden we had moderates. You want me to be critical of my self then perhaps you can show me where there are such people on the other side that has done just that. We have ONE person here that goes by the name of Bananiot and is more than balanced out by Birkibrisli. I would even quote you the name of Kikapu but he is just an enigma and not worth the paper he wipes his bum with. I have always accepted our wrongs but not at the expense of ignoring theirs. Why the hell should I...The are more than capable of doing that and do on a minute to minute basis. If you are not in favour of balance then please say so then we know where we stand. We have been patient for over 40 years dear friend. We have been made to look like the only guilty ones in tis problem and you want me to stop now that we are actually being heard. I am all in favour of talks and a fair solution Mr Vuryak but am not in favour of waiting for the GCs to give it to us. We have waited long enough. It is only fair that we are straight with them and demand our rights in Cyprus.You and those that are trying to run before you can walk and are taking on Turkey before you tackle the GC problem are asking for trouble. You see them as the cause of your problems in lazy TCs and the economy and to a point they are but the bigger culprit is the isolation and the embargoes my friend. If we had not been held under siege for so long the Turkey would not have had the chance to entrench themselves in Cyprus. I ask you to stake your claim and tell us what solution you are after and you double talk and give me nothing but criticise me and what I want. You ignore the fact that long before any TMT was formed the terrorist group of EOKA was formed and long before Taksim there was ENOSIS. We talked then and got the Zurich agreement.....What are talking about now....What fair solution are you after......How will it differ from the Zurich agreement and what guarantees will you want that they are strictly adhered to. OR...Are you telling me that you are in agreement with Miltiades and you will accept the "RoC" as it stands and give up your rights in Cyprus...Lets have it Mr Vuryak.......Stop beating about the bush and give us something tangible. I am and have always been open to suggestions.......FAIR suggestions......
Dear Mr. Zan
As I said before this is not a mathematical problem to just say answer. Social sciences are always complicated enough to have more than one true answers. Since our problem is a social problem, I can just identify the way. The question that "which solution will we go?" will get answer after we get real solution road but we are not even aware of that road.
I cannot just say "true solution is this one, catch it!", nobody can do it! We have to discuss to find it. But if you need a non detailed idea: “A federation which will go to a Unitarian government may be a good solution”
I gave answer of many things, so you need to read them again.
But I can say what is not a solution or way to search for a solution. Believing that “you build up a new discriminative, fascist nation on somebody else’s past, land, life” is not a solution. Believing that “everybody has right to separate themselves as what nationality they want” and “seeking separated rights for themselves just for fun” are not a way to seek solution. Believing that “what you have got by war is yours” is not a way for solution. Believing that “every 100 people can create a new nation” is not a solution.( So, lets call Lebanon as a guarantor of Marionettes, call Armenia as a guarantor of Armenian Cypriots, divide Cyprus parliament to four and put its name democracy of intelligence(!) ) Believing that “you have right to hope international reorganization for last barbarianism of 20th century” is not a way for solution. Believing that “militarist games of Turkey can be recognized as a solution” is not a solution.
I recommend you to read much about TMT, EOKA, TAXIM, Enosis. The date and description difference was not as you implied. It was not a black and white, bad and good game which was played between TC and GC. History is not that simple.
You are talking about agreements… fine. But why don’t you play fair and say truths. Turkey was not only guarantor of Turkish Cypriots, It was guarantor of whole ROC. Turkey had right to intervene only when there was a circumstance which can be a threat for ROC, and there was that kind of situation. What Turkey did? It has come at 1974, betrayed the agreements what they singed, betrayed ROC, betrayed GC, betrayed TC, created a new “county”, created a new “government”, put its name “TRNC” , this violation of human rights have being continued for more than 30 years, and you wait for International Arena to give up about isolation and the embargoes?
I am a balanced person, I am just arguing with you because you haven’t let us to discuss anything else with GC yet. As I said before, nobody is angel here.
Mr Vuryek
I have made up my mind that you are in fact a politician who is just after personal gain on the Cyprus issue. IMHO
You are not answering questions put to you just like a politician. I will explain….
Yo come here and slate my views on the Cyprob and when I ask you what your views are you give me nothing. You go on to tell me that the road to a solution is not simple but then tell me the road to take. How can you throw out one solution if you are not sure of the road….You are talking in political riddles my friend and I am not fooled or satisfied with your response. You want to “search” for a solution but have no idea what direction to go in…..
I have read much about EOKA and TMT and I have posted a whole heap of information on what came first. You also keep telling me what I just told you…I know things are not black and white and have said so but I do know that the GCs have the upper hand in government that they stole from us. That is the rreality of today. All this BS about us walking out on it is utter nonsense. Yes we walked out to cripple an already crippled system and we were niave to do so but that is what the great legal mind of Tpap and his hordes had in mind in the first place. How do I know this….Because TODAY the results show that. We are still out of government and no matter what we try they will not let us back in. You may be happy with that but most of us are not.
I am afraid that it is you that is playing with the truths my friend. The Zurich agreement was there to protect all Cypriots and the constitution and it did. It protected us against ENOSIS and the aggressive actions that tried to take us there by force. E were still not allowed back into government as per the Zurich agreement so Turkey is still protecting the Cypriot rights. Simple as that…That part is black and white. Now has Turkey got other things on the boil…Yes..Has Greece..Yes..has the “RoC”…Yes. Has the TRNC…Yes….You choose to take the Greek line and only find fault with us. That is your choice but don’t expect any help from me. When I hear people like you speak I understand more why Turkey had to keep a tight grip on us. If she had not then you would have the TCs out of Cyprus and the island a Greek one. Gifted, on a plate and an insult to those that died defending it.
Did you by any chance see the article I posted in which the Greeks moved their troops to the border the moment they thought that Iran was going to attack Turkey. What chance would we stand just as TCs on the island.
As for your balanced approach……Attacking me with your first post and ignoring all else is not balanced my friend…That is a bias that sticks out a mile. No problem though…As I have said….I have been here nearly three years and have seen many here that come and think that they have the solution to our problems……They come and they go. They achieve nothing…I am looking forward to hearing what you have to offer our GC cousins in the way of a solution so perhaps you will get on with it and we can judge. If you are here just for me…then please let me know and we can start again. Here is your chance to discuss with GCs……..Good luck. I warn you though that I too have an opinion and I seem to be the majority in the TRNC.
