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[miltiades]

Welcome to the forum Vuryek......


Thank you for your explanation but I must insist that you tell all here your entire views on Cyprus. You are obviously against Turkeys involvement in Cyprus but can you please tell us what your solution will be. It is only fair for all to know so we can cut out any confusion. Thank you in advance.

Forgive my intrusion , but our new friend has not said he is against Turkeys "involvement " merely that he considers along with many that Turkey is an occupying power.

As you have brought it up then that can be another question to our friend.....Does he see the "RoC" as an occupying power as well?????

WHAT ???? Are you insane or just plain stupid !!
The ROC is seen by EVERY SINGLE NATION ON THIS PLANET as the legitimate government of Cyprus , but not to you it seems since you are undoubtedly from another planet.
The game is almost up mate . Turkey is being seen by the endangered species called T/Cs in precisely the same fashion that the rest of the world see , a foreign power occupying a part of Cyprus . This nonsense in referring to the ROC in inverted , or rather perverted commas , how laughable when the ENTIRE world knows ONLY of one nation , part of it under Turkish occupation. Wakey wakey mate , the bells are ringing ,
Turkish troops out , end the occupation of our lands , our people have had enough , the T/Cs are our people and they are now voicing their concerns at the continued occupation.

[Floda]

A very emotional "Bollocks" from me to you my dear compatriot, my Sundays are on the whole quite mundane, but THAT should liven this one up a bit !! !

That's it Milti, sock it to 'em !!.

I have lodged a complaint , my first on this forum , against your person for posting material that you attribute to my self which is not only slanderous but damn right out of order . The forum is a platform for debates and for presenting your views , using my name as the author of a particular post is out of order.
I did not post the part that this warped individual posted as mine, I demand an apology and an acknowledgement of your cheap action.
ps.I thought you pissed off mate , good riddance I would say !

Calm down Miltiades, I merely sought to relieve some of the emotional tension you were obviously under and saw that as a means to achieving it.

Naturally I will apologize [if that be your wish] and do so without reservation.

My main aim was to splutter your screen with red wine, "Did it work" ?.

Regarding my departure, I WILL now log out, I had intended to earlier but neglected to do so.

My name is Daniel, I am neither Maynard nor any other person, I am very disappointed with the general attitude on the forum which ever seems to lean towards assuming that members have multiple identities.

I have read through so many posts, my mistake was in trying to join in in a manner which is completely out of character to me.

Apologies once again, sincerely, Daniel.

[zan]

Welcome to the forum Vuryek......


Thank you for your explanation but I must insist that you tell all here your entire views on Cyprus. You are obviously against Turkeys involvement in Cyprus but can you please tell us what your solution will be. It is only fair for all to know so we can cut out any confusion. Thank you in advance.

Forgive my intrusion , but our new friend has not said he is against Turkeys "involvement " merely that he considers along with many that Turkey is an occupying power.

As you have brought it up then that can be another question to our friend.....Does he see the "RoC" as an occupying power as well?????

WHAT ???? Are you insane or just plain stupid !!
The ROC is seen by EVERY SINGLE NATION ON THIS PLANET as the legitimate government of Cyprus , but not to you it seems since you are undoubtedly from another planet.
The game is almost up mate . Turkey is being seen by the endangered species called T/Cs in precisely the same fashion that the rest of the world see , a foreign power occupying a part of Cyprus . This nonsense in referring to the ROC in inverted , or rather perverted commas , how laughable when the ENTIRE world knows ONLY of one nation , part of it under Turkish occupation. Wakey wakey mate , the bells are ringing ,
Turkish troops out , end the occupation of our lands , our people have had enough , the T/Cs are our people and they are now voicing their concerns at the continued occupation.

And yet........Not a single one I spoke to would give it up and let you take our island away from us just because you fooled the world into thinking you are the legitimate government in Cyprus....Hell...Niether does the UN any more or there wouldn't have been an Annan plan/5....It is you that needs to wake up Miltiades.

[miltiades]

Welcome to the forum Vuryek......


Thank you for your explanation but I must insist that you tell all here your entire views on Cyprus. You are obviously against Turkeys involvement in Cyprus but can you please tell us what your solution will be. It is only fair for all to know so we can cut out any confusion. Thank you in advance.

Forgive my intrusion , but our new friend has not said he is against Turkeys "involvement " merely that he considers along with many that Turkey is an occupying power.

As you have brought it up then that can be another question to our friend.....Does he see the "RoC" as an occupying power as well?????

WHAT ???? Are you insane or just plain stupid !!
The ROC is seen by EVERY SINGLE NATION ON THIS PLANET as the legitimate government of Cyprus , but not to you it seems since you are undoubtedly from another planet.
The game is almost up mate . Turkey is being seen by the endangered species called T/Cs in precisely the same fashion that the rest of the world see , a foreign power occupying a part of Cyprus . This nonsense in referring to the ROC in inverted , or rather perverted commas , how laughable when the ENTIRE world knows ONLY of one nation , part of it under Turkish occupation. Wakey wakey mate , the bells are ringing ,
Turkish troops out , end the occupation of our lands , our people have had enough , the T/Cs are our people and they are now voicing their concerns at the continued occupation.

And yet........Not a single one I spoke to would give it up and let you take our island away from us just because you fooled the world into thinking you are the legitimate government in Cyprus....Hell...Niether does the UN any more or there wouldn't have been an Annan plan/5....It is you that needs to wake up Miltiades.

You are making your self look silly. The T/Cs are welcome in the ROC as equal citizens with their human rights intact. The UN you say does not recognize the ROC ? Are you well or under the influence of reality ?
The T/Cs are beginning to resist the occupation by Turkey , they are resisting it and they will win . Turkeys intentions of bringing to an end the T/C and insisting that they are Turks and not T/Cs is beginning to collapse. There are puppets who have no say in what goes on but there are genuine T/Cs who are fed up to the teeth with Turkey , you ought to get out more Zan.
I see on average 6 or so T/Cs every single day of the week I hear what they have to say , they respect my views and my position , the message coming out is that we are all Cypriots , lets get rid of Turkey and Greece and surprise how much in common we have.

[bill cobbett]

Can we please get back to the topic under discussion that is opposition to the Occupation by our northern compatriots. I for one would like to hear more views on the graffiti matter and M's Afrika post and new member V's post.

[zan]

Welcome to the forum Vuryek......


Thank you for your explanation but I must insist that you tell all here your entire views on Cyprus. You are obviously against Turkeys involvement in Cyprus but can you please tell us what your solution will be. It is only fair for all to know so we can cut out any confusion. Thank you in advance.

Forgive my intrusion , but our new friend has not said he is against Turkeys "involvement " merely that he considers along with many that Turkey is an occupying power.

As you have brought it up then that can be another question to our friend.....Does he see the "RoC" as an occupying power as well?????

WHAT ???? Are you insane or just plain stupid !!
The ROC is seen by EVERY SINGLE NATION ON THIS PLANET as the legitimate government of Cyprus , but not to you it seems since you are undoubtedly from another planet.
The game is almost up mate . Turkey is being seen by the endangered species called T/Cs in precisely the same fashion that the rest of the world see , a foreign power occupying a part of Cyprus . This nonsense in referring to the ROC in inverted , or rather perverted commas , how laughable when the ENTIRE world knows ONLY of one nation , part of it under Turkish occupation. Wakey wakey mate , the bells are ringing ,
Turkish troops out , end the occupation of our lands , our people have had enough , the T/Cs are our people and they are now voicing their concerns at the continued occupation.

And yet........Not a single one I spoke to would give it up and let you take our island away from us just because you fooled the world into thinking you are the legitimate government in Cyprus....Hell...Niether does the UN any more or there wouldn't have been an Annan plan/5....It is you that needs to wake up Miltiades.

You are making your self look silly. The T/Cs are welcome in the ROC as equal citizens with their human rights intact. The UN you say does not recognize the ROC ? Are you well or under the influence of reality ?
The T/Cs are beginning to resist the occupation by Turkey , they are resisting it and they will win . Turkeys intentions of bringing to an end the T/C and insisting that they are Turks and not T/Cs is beginning to collapse. There are puppets who have no say in what goes on but there are genuine T/Cs who are fed up to the teeth with Turkey , you ought to get out more Zan.
I see on average 6 or so T/Cs every single day of the week I hear what they have to say , they respect my views and my position , the message coming out is that we are all Cypriots , lets get rid of Turkey and Greece and surprise how much in common we have.

It seems you are used to seeing what you want to see Miltiades...I did not say that the UN do not recognise the "RoC" but are seeing them in a different light other than the "Legitimate" government of ALL of Cyprus..........You should have gone to speck savers...


Now as to your TC friends agreeing with you.....If you have been as evasive as you have been on this Forum about what you mean about what you want for them then I am not surprised that you and they are confused. You gave me some crap about equal rights under the Zurich agreement but will not accept the Zurich agreement at all. You are just giving us the usual double talk about equal rights under the EU and nothing else which would mean that we give up ALL our rights under the Zurich agreement.....When I asked that same question to the TCs I met...The result was final...No way!!!!!! Perhaps you should be more honest with the TCs you meet and those on this Forum as to what you are asking them and then you will not fool them or yourself as to what we want. You can fool some of the people some of the time Miltiades but then I am here to tell them what you really mean....Perhaps if I bump into some of those TC friend of yours I can direct them to tis site where they will see your real intentions and then you might get a more honest answer from them when they tell you to F**k Off!!!!!!

[miltiades]

Welcome to the forum Vuryek......


Thank you for your explanation but I must insist that you tell all here your entire views on Cyprus. You are obviously against Turkeys involvement in Cyprus but can you please tell us what your solution will be. It is only fair for all to know so we can cut out any confusion. Thank you in advance.

Forgive my intrusion , but our new friend has not said he is against Turkeys "involvement " merely that he considers along with many that Turkey is an occupying power.

As you have brought it up then that can be another question to our friend.....Does he see the "RoC" as an occupying power as well?????

WHAT ???? Are you insane or just plain stupid !!
The ROC is seen by EVERY SINGLE NATION ON THIS PLANET as the legitimate government of Cyprus , but not to you it seems since you are undoubtedly from another planet.
The game is almost up mate . Turkey is being seen by the endangered species called T/Cs in precisely the same fashion that the rest of the world see , a foreign power occupying a part of Cyprus . This nonsense in referring to the ROC in inverted , or rather perverted commas , how laughable when the ENTIRE world knows ONLY of one nation , part of it under Turkish occupation. Wakey wakey mate , the bells are ringing ,
Turkish troops out , end the occupation of our lands , our people have had enough , the T/Cs are our people and they are now voicing their concerns at the continued occupation.

And yet........Not a single one I spoke to would give it up and let you take our island away from us just because you fooled the world into thinking you are the legitimate government in Cyprus....Hell...Niether does the UN any more or there wouldn't have been an Annan plan/5....It is you that needs to wake up Miltiades.

You are making your self look silly. The T/Cs are welcome in the ROC as equal citizens with their human rights intact. The UN you say does not recognize the ROC ? Are you well or under the influence of reality ?
The T/Cs are beginning to resist the occupation by Turkey , they are resisting it and they will win . Turkeys intentions of bringing to an end the T/C and insisting that they are Turks and not T/Cs is beginning to collapse. There are puppets who have no say in what goes on but there are genuine T/Cs who are fed up to the teeth with Turkey , you ought to get out more Zan.
I see on average 6 or so T/Cs every single day of the week I hear what they have to say , they respect my views and my position , the message coming out is that we are all Cypriots , lets get rid of Turkey and Greece and surprise how much in common we have.

It seems you are used to seeing what you want to see Miltiades...I did not say that the UN do not recognise the "RoC" but are seeing them in a different light other than the "Legitimate" government of ALL of Cyprus..........You should have gone to speck savers...


Now as to your TC friends agreeing with you.....If you have been as evasive as you have been on this Forum about what you mean about what you want for them then I am not surprised that you and they are confused. You gave me some crap about equal rights under the Zurich agreement but will not accept the Zurich agreement at all. You are just giving us the usual double talk about equal rights under the EU and nothing else which would mean that we give up ALL our rights under the Zurich agreement.....When I asked that same question to the TCs I met...The result was final...No way!!!!!! Perhaps you should be more honest with the TCs you meet and those on this Forum as to what you are asking them and then you will not fool them or yourself as to what we want. You can fool some of the people some of the time Miltiades but then I am here to tell them what you really mean....Perhaps if I bump into some of those TC friend of yours I can direct them to tis site where they will see your real intentions and then you might get a more honest answer from them when they tell you to F**k Off!!!!!!

I refer you to the reply I gave to your question regarding Zurich Agreement.
So that there is no misunderstanding on your part here it is again.
THE T/Cs should have the rights given to them under the Zurich Agreement , no more and no less . I also stated in many of my previous posts that I wish to see a President of Cyprus , loyal to Cyprus and its people coming from the T/Cs . I would have the greatest satisfaction to see a T/C as the leader of a Pan Cyprian political party and coming into prominence as its leader and the President of a united Cyprus.
I will state again what I have said on numerous occasions.
As far as I'm concerned there is only one majority in Cyprus and that is the Cypriots whose allegiance is to our nation and not as is the case with you to Turkey , or as is the case with some G/Cs Greece.
You belong to the Turkish extreme class of people who consider Turkey as their motherland but perhaps you also have to consider those of us Cypriots , G/Cs and T/Cs who see our motherland as Cyprus. We have it appears a conflict of interest here mate. I'm a Cypriot whose motherland is Cyprus , you on the other hand is a foreigner amongst us . your new world is right here is Cyprus but you refuse to accept it and see Turkey as your country.
That inundation is the difference between you and I , I'm a Cypriot who adores all of Cyprus but rejects the occupation , rejects the foreign flags , rejects the foreign powers hold on my nation and embraces all Cypriots irrespective of perceived ethnicity.Our new T/C friend from the North part will have some very interesting contributions to make , I just hope he is not hindered or dissuaded in doing so.

[Oracle]

A very emotional "Bollocks" from me to you my dear compatriot, my Sundays are on the whole quite mundane, but THAT should liven this one up a bit !! !

That's it Milti, sock it to 'em !!.

I have lodged a complaint , my first on this forum , against your person for posting material that you attribute to my self which is not only slanderous but damn right out of order . The forum is a platform for debates and for presenting your views , using my name as the author of a particular post is out of order.
I did not post the part that this warped individual posted as mine, I demand an apology and an acknowledgement of your cheap action.
ps.I thought you pissed off mate , good riddance I would say !

Calm down Miltiades, I merely sought to relieve some of the emotional tension you were obviously under and saw that as a means to achieving it.

Naturally I will apologize [if that be your wish] and do so without reservation.

My main aim was to splutter your screen with red wine, "Did it work" ?.

Regarding my departure, I WILL now log out, I had intended to earlier but neglected to do so.

My name is Daniel, I am neither Maynard nor any other person, I am very disappointed with the general attitude on the forum which ever seems to lean towards assuming that members have multiple identities.

I have read through so many posts, my mistake was in trying to join in in a manner which is completely out of character to me.

Apologies once again, sincerely, Daniel.

We all have a few bumpy landings and I am glad you have picked yourself up, dusted yourself off and are starting all over again. Very pleased you are staying .... and relish exchanges between you, Maynard and dear Eliko if he makes it back safely ....

( ... all three of you versus Miltiades )

[Vuryek]

Welcome to the forum Vuryek......


Thank you for your explanation but I must insist that you tell all here your entire views on Cyprus. You are obviously against Turkeys involvement in Cyprus but can you please tell us what your solution will be. It is only fair for all to know so we can cut out any confusion. Thank you in advance.

Dear friend, it is not possible to express “entire views” with 3 paragraphs. Every issue has both independent and related deep details thus if we are curious, our views are changing directly and dynamically related with our learning process. So I think it will be a more honest behaviour to think that we will learn and understand everybody’s views in time. Also, as you know, short and quick statements bring misunderstandings.
You want me to tell you “my solution”, but since solution is a not a kind of mathematical problem we have to accept its sociological, economical, socio-psychological, educational, political sides and you know each side is a kind of deep discussions. But let me explain how Turkey effects these issues with few examples.
If we want to talk about solution, first we have to talk about circumstances to get a provision of what we are capable of. Turkey’s “involvement” brings more criteria to discuss in Cyprus Problem? When we consider that Turkey is a completely separated country who thinks and moves only for itself, you can realize that it brings some unnatural additional criteria, which are not representing us, to our problem. Some of these criteria are completely blocked issues which are created to block solution. I think it is clear that we have less to “discuss” without Turkey’s “polite presence”.
Second, the authorities, whom the world named them as “Turkish Cypriot Leadership” and Turkey named them as “T.R.N.C.”, are neither a “government”, nor a “leadership” even not a simple authority. These servants only represent the orders of Turkey, which comes through Turkish Embassy. Not realistic? Why don’t you compare the speeches of Talat, Ferdi, which they made before their “presidency” and after their “presidency”? Anyone want me to post some examples? How can you explain the difference between Cypriotic speeches and Denktash like speeches of Talat’s and his fellows’s ? How can you explain the flexibility of their ideas which changes with “ideology” of Turkish Government? They become fascist with Grey Wolfs, religionist with AKP (which is present government), militarists with MGK (non changing military government of turkey) and you expect me to say that they are an independent leadership? Nobody can sit on that “TRNC chairs” if they will not follow orders of Turkey... Talat is not representing Cypriots, he is even not representing himself. Once Talat said “Because of the (fascism of) Greek Cypriots, I start to act like Denktash!” Was he talking about our Greek Cypriots who elected Christofias , instead of Papadapulos (sorry for spelling) or was he talking about another parallel world? What a paradox.
If I am wrong then please inform me about why have they brought Turkey’s education system? Why are they still building mosques to everywhere? Why are they trying to bring fanatic religion education to occupied area by both legal and illegal ways? Why have they brought their Turkey’s nationalist trade unions to occupied area? Why have they give permission to destroy ancient ruins, historical places to build up hotels of Turkish developers? Why population of settlers are more than 2 times of Cypriots? (Once Talat said “If we count all military, settlers “our” population can be approximately five hundred thousand”) Why approximately %40 of North Cyprus is military area? Why “Turkish Cypriot courts” cannot touch the settlers? Why every technical committee and working group includes at least 2 nationalist and 1broucrat? Who put them there? Who is paying for the economy of that “TRNC” thing (Once Ferdi Sabit Soyer said that Turkey is paying 500 million YTL for every year)? ... as you know we cannot list all of them today. We call assimilation to this process, and will bring integration.
These circumstances are a clear provision of permanent problem and they can be disappear with “un-involvement” of Turkey and there is no doubt that details and identification of our problem can change without occupation.

Turkey is not occupying Cyprus to save or protect Turkish Cypriots. Turkey is occupying Cyprus only for geopolitics. Everybody understood that schools history books were completely lie, which says “Turkey saved us from monsters and vampires which need to feed with Turks” (Not real? Read the book of Vehbi Zeki Serter). Both books of Makarios Drushotis and Mehmet Ali Tremesheli are high quality proof of what Turkey did between 1955-1974. Many times Turkish organisations killed Turkish Cypriots and blame Greek Cypriots. Turkish Army killed both GC, and TC and we are still talking about involvement of Turkey!
Turkey is not a kind of unresistable force. If we really want, we can send them back. We just need to get our voice higher to make International Arena to hear that even TC don’t want Turkey in Cyprus. We can handle by ourselves.

Could you now explain me why we need Turkey for solution?


And no, ROC is not an occupier. I want to remind you that TC have left ROC parliament and have built a new “"!!??government!!??" under the "!!??protection!!??" of Turkey”.

[zan]

Welcome to the forum Vuryek......


Thank you for your explanation but I must insist that you tell all here your entire views on Cyprus. You are obviously against Turkeys involvement in Cyprus but can you please tell us what your solution will be. It is only fair for all to know so we can cut out any confusion. Thank you in advance.

Forgive my intrusion , but our new friend has not said he is against Turkeys "involvement " merely that he considers along with many that Turkey is an occupying power.

As you have brought it up then that can be another question to our friend.....Does he see the "RoC" as an occupying power as well?????

WHAT ???? Are you insane or just plain stupid !!
The ROC is seen by EVERY SINGLE NATION ON THIS PLANET as the legitimate government of Cyprus , but not to you it seems since you are undoubtedly from another planet.
The game is almost up mate . Turkey is being seen by the endangered species called T/Cs in precisely the same fashion that the rest of the world see , a foreign power occupying a part of Cyprus . This nonsense in referring to the ROC in inverted , or rather perverted commas , how laughable when the ENTIRE world knows ONLY of one nation , part of it under Turkish occupation. Wakey wakey mate , the bells are ringing ,
Turkish troops out , end the occupation of our lands , our people have had enough , the T/Cs are our people and they are now voicing their concerns at the continued occupation.

And yet........Not a single one I spoke to would give it up and let you take our island away from us just because you fooled the world into thinking you are the legitimate government in Cyprus....Hell...Niether does the UN any more or there wouldn't have been an Annan plan/5....It is you that needs to wake up Miltiades.

You are making your self look silly. The T/Cs are welcome in the ROC as equal citizens with their human rights intact. The UN you say does not recognize the ROC ? Are you well or under the influence of reality ?
The T/Cs are beginning to resist the occupation by Turkey , they are resisting it and they will win . Turkeys intentions of bringing to an end the T/C and insisting that they are Turks and not T/Cs is beginning to collapse. There are puppets who have no say in what goes on but there are genuine T/Cs who are fed up to the teeth with Turkey , you ought to get out more Zan.
I see on average 6 or so T/Cs every single day of the week I hear what they have to say , they respect my views and my position , the message coming out is that we are all Cypriots , lets get rid of Turkey and Greece and surprise how much in common we have.

It seems you are used to seeing what you want to see Miltiades...I did not say that the UN do not recognise the "RoC" but are seeing them in a different light other than the "Legitimate" government of ALL of Cyprus..........You should have gone to speck savers...


Now as to your TC friends agreeing with you.....If you have been as evasive as you have been on this Forum about what you mean about what you want for them then I am not surprised that you and they are confused. You gave me some crap about equal rights under the Zurich agreement but will not accept the Zurich agreement at all. You are just giving us the usual double talk about equal rights under the EU and nothing else which would mean that we give up ALL our rights under the Zurich agreement.....When I asked that same question to the TCs I met...The result was final...No way!!!!!! Perhaps you should be more honest with the TCs you meet and those on this Forum as to what you are asking them and then you will not fool them or yourself as to what we want. You can fool some of the people some of the time Miltiades but then I am here to tell them what you really mean....Perhaps if I bump into some of those TC friend of yours I can direct them to tis site where they will see your real intentions and then you might get a more honest answer from them when they tell you to F**k Off!!!!!!

I refer you to the reply I gave to your question regarding Zurich Agreement.
So that there is no misunderstanding on your part here it is again.
THE T/Cs should have the rights given to them under the Zurich Agreement , no more and no less . I also stated in many of my previous posts that I wish to see a President of Cyprus , loyal to Cyprus and its people coming from the T/Cs . I would have the greatest satisfaction to see a T/C as the leader of a Pan Cyprian political party and coming into prominence as its leader and the President of a united Cyprus.
I will state again what I have said on numerous occasions.
As far as I'm concerned there is only one majority in Cyprus and that is the Cypriots whose allegiance is to our nation and not as is the case with you to Turkey , or as is the case with some G/Cs Greece.
You belong to the Turkish extreme class of people who consider Turkey as their motherland but perhaps you also have to consider those of us Cypriots , G/Cs and T/Cs who see our motherland as Cyprus. We have it appears a conflict of interest here mate. I'm a Cypriot whose motherland is Cyprus , you on the other hand is a foreigner amongst us . your new world is right here is Cyprus but you refuse to accept it and see Turkey as your country.
That inundation is the difference between you and I , I'm a Cypriot who adores all of Cyprus but rejects the occupation , rejects the foreign flags , rejects the foreign powers hold on my nation and embraces all Cypriots irrespective of perceived ethnicity.Our new T/C friend from the North part will have some very interesting contributions to make , I just hope he is not hindered or dissuaded in doing so.

Double talk yet again.......Do we go to a FULL Zurich agreement or not......


As to the second part of your post....You reject the "Occupation" but you accept the fait accompli of the GCs having our government...You speak with forked tongue Miltiades or at best you have no idea of what you are saying...........Let me make it clearer for you....We cannot have both ways........Either the Zurich agreement or the fait acompli which is the "RoC" now choose and stop your nonsense!!!!!