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Sudetenland precedent for Cyprus?

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Postby roseandchan » Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:14 am

o, based on the british system you will have lots of turkish people staying in cyprus.lots of these people were here pre '74. thats where i was coming from.
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:56 am

Naturally there were Turkish people before 1974 if you are referring to Turkish CYPRIOTS. There were NO mainland SETTLERS in Cyprus before 1974.

No one is disputing the RIGHT of TCs to reside in Cyprus. We are talking about SETLLERS being excluded. And no, we are not advocating a violent expulsion, but compensation and repatriation.
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Postby zan » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:00 am

Nikitas wrote:Naturally there were Turkish people before 1974 if you are referring to Turkish CYPRIOTS. There were NO mainland SETTLERS in Cyprus before 1974.

No one is disputing the RIGHT of TCs to reside in Cyprus. We are talking about SETLLERS being excluded. And no, we are not advocating a violent expulsion, but compensation and repatriation.


Voluntary????

It was reported the other week that more people are needed in Cyprus. Who will you replace them with???
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Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:43 pm

RichardB wrote:Magnus wrote
As far as determining who stays and who goes then I would apply the same rules that apply to myself at the moment. I was born in the UK but the RoC government says I am a Cypriot as my father and grandfather are/were Cypriots.


Hi magnus (or anyone)

re; the above quote from a post made by you.

My son has a Cypriot mother and cypriot grandparents- would he be allowed Cypriot nationality?

I heard that the nationalility issue was based on the Fathers nationality

Could yourself or any one else clarify this please

Thankyou


Also, anybody who completes five years' residence in the RoC may apply for naturalisation.
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Postby Magnus » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:51 pm

RichardB wrote:Magnus wrote
As far as determining who stays and who goes then I would apply the same rules that apply to myself at the moment. I was born in the UK but the RoC government says I am a Cypriot as my father and grandfather are/were Cypriots.


Hi magnus (or anyone)

re; the above quote from a post made by you.

My son has a Cypriot mother and cypriot grandparents- would he be allowed Cypriot nationality?

I heard that the nationalility issue was based on the Fathers nationality

Could yourself or any one else clarify this please

Thankyou


Hi Richard, as far as I know it is dependant on the father's side. Your son could reside in Cyprus as an EU citizen and then apply for Cypriot citizenship through naturalisation. As Tim says, I think it is a period of 5 years continuous residency before you can apply.

It might be worth a look at the High Commission website. They never respond to e-mails but you can give them a call to make sure:

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/highcom/highcom_london.nsf/DMLcontactus_en/DMLcontactus_en?OpenDocument
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:59 pm

Magnus wrote:
RichardB wrote:Magnus wrote
As far as determining who stays and who goes then I would apply the same rules that apply to myself at the moment. I was born in the UK but the RoC government says I am a Cypriot as my father and grandfather are/were Cypriots.


Hi magnus (or anyone)

re; the above quote from a post made by you.

My son has a Cypriot mother and cypriot grandparents- would he be allowed Cypriot nationality?

I heard that the nationalility issue was based on the Fathers nationality

Could yourself or any one else clarify this please

Thankyou


Hi Richard, as far as I know it is dependant on the father's side. Your son could reside in Cyprus as an EU citizen and then apply for Cypriot citizenship through naturalisation. As Tim says, I think it is a period of 5 years continuous residency before you can apply.

It might be worth a look at the High Commission website. They never respond to e-mails but you can give them a call to make sure:

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/highcom/highcom_london.nsf/DMLcontactus_en/DMLcontactus_en?OpenDocument


I was declined Cypriot citizenship in 1992 despite both parents being Cypriot. The Cyprus High Commission in Canberra explained to me that I had no legal claim to apply for Cypriot citizenship as my father was never Cypriot. He migrated to Australia in the 1950's as a "British Subject".

I applied once again in 2006, with the assistance of another third party in Cyprus, and was granted the citizenship within 1 month. I now proudly hold a RoC passport and ID card. I did not bother re-applying prior to 2006 as my circumstances did not permit.
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Postby DT. » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:09 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Magnus wrote:
RichardB wrote:Magnus wrote
As far as determining who stays and who goes then I would apply the same rules that apply to myself at the moment. I was born in the UK but the RoC government says I am a Cypriot as my father and grandfather are/were Cypriots.


Hi magnus (or anyone)

re; the above quote from a post made by you.

My son has a Cypriot mother and cypriot grandparents- would he be allowed Cypriot nationality?

I heard that the nationalility issue was based on the Fathers nationality

Could yourself or any one else clarify this please

Thankyou


Hi Richard, as far as I know it is dependant on the father's side. Your son could reside in Cyprus as an EU citizen and then apply for Cypriot citizenship through naturalisation. As Tim says, I think it is a period of 5 years continuous residency before you can apply.

It might be worth a look at the High Commission website. They never respond to e-mails but you can give them a call to make sure:

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/highcom/highcom_london.nsf/DMLcontactus_en/DMLcontactus_en?OpenDocument


I was declined Cypriot citizenship in 1992 despite both parents being Cypriot. The Cyprus High Commission in Canberra explained to me that I had no legal claim to apply for Cypriot citizenship as my father was never Cypriot. He migrated to Australia in the 1950's as a "British Subject".

I applied once again in 2006, with the assistance of another third party in Cyprus, and was granted the citizenship within 1 month. I now proudly hold a RoC passport and ID card. I did not bother re-applying prior to 2006 as my circumstances did not permit.


The problem you have here paphiti is that we've arranged for Paphos to have separate passports and ID cards to the rest of us. It is also progressing well with its independant application to join Egypt. :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:15 pm

DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Magnus wrote:
RichardB wrote:Magnus wrote
As far as determining who stays and who goes then I would apply the same rules that apply to myself at the moment. I was born in the UK but the RoC government says I am a Cypriot as my father and grandfather are/were Cypriots.


Hi magnus (or anyone)

re; the above quote from a post made by you.

My son has a Cypriot mother and cypriot grandparents- would he be allowed Cypriot nationality?

I heard that the nationalility issue was based on the Fathers nationality

Could yourself or any one else clarify this please

Thankyou


Hi Richard, as far as I know it is dependant on the father's side. Your son could reside in Cyprus as an EU citizen and then apply for Cypriot citizenship through naturalisation. As Tim says, I think it is a period of 5 years continuous residency before you can apply.

It might be worth a look at the High Commission website. They never respond to e-mails but you can give them a call to make sure:

http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/highcom/highcom_london.nsf/DMLcontactus_en/DMLcontactus_en?OpenDocument


I was declined Cypriot citizenship in 1992 despite both parents being Cypriot. The Cyprus High Commission in Canberra explained to me that I had no legal claim to apply for Cypriot citizenship as my father was never Cypriot. He migrated to Australia in the 1950's as a "British Subject".

I applied once again in 2006, with the assistance of another third party in Cyprus, and was granted the citizenship within 1 month. I now proudly hold a RoC passport and ID card. I did not bother re-applying prior to 2006 as my circumstances did not permit.


The problem you have here paphiti is that we've arranged for Paphos to have separate passports and ID cards to the rest of us. It is also progressing well with its independant application to join Egypt. :lol:


I hope you apply for a VISA every time you go to Pafos to get away from Lefkosia. Pafos does not need to unify with anyone, we are 1 of a kind. :lol:

What have you got against Paphites anyway? :wink:
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Postby utu » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:41 pm

zan wrote:
utu wrote:Well folks, you are all certainly giving me food for thought. I do want to clarify that I wanted to use the Sudetenland 1938 crisis as a generalized comparision , not a direct parallel as there were differing political undertones to the basic issue of minority rights in foreign countries. Still, I am pleased to read that thus far there does not seem to be a mood from the Greek Cypriot contributors on this thread for removal of the Turkish Cypriot populace should a unitary state result. Thank you all for your input.


How can they be honest about such a thing utu.....How can you expect them to throw away the only chance to convince the world that they honestly believe we are part of Cyprus...An important part. I hope you are not serious in thinking about taking the results of one short thread and ignoring what has been said and done on every thread that has had the misfortune of hosting their thoughts. :?


Zan,

One thing that I have learned very quickly on this forum is that punches are not pulled. If there was a large sentiment for the total removal of the Turkish Cypriot presence on the island, it would have very quickly manifested itself here.
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Postby zan » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:26 pm

utu wrote:
zan wrote:
utu wrote:Well folks, you are all certainly giving me food for thought. I do want to clarify that I wanted to use the Sudetenland 1938 crisis as a generalized comparision , not a direct parallel as there were differing political undertones to the basic issue of minority rights in foreign countries. Still, I am pleased to read that thus far there does not seem to be a mood from the Greek Cypriot contributors on this thread for removal of the Turkish Cypriot populace should a unitary state result. Thank you all for your input.


How can they be honest about such a thing utu.....How can you expect them to throw away the only chance to convince the world that they honestly believe we are part of Cyprus...An important part. I hope you are not serious in thinking about taking the results of one short thread and ignoring what has been said and done on every thread that has had the misfortune of hosting their thoughts. :?


Zan,

One thing that I have learned very quickly on this forum is that punches are not pulled. If there was a large sentiment for the total removal of the Turkish Cypriot presence on the island, it would have very quickly manifested itself here.



You underestimate what these people are about and I think insult their intelligence. They have given you what you wanted to hear utu....Nothing else. the ones who would have been stupid enough to give you a more accurate answer have been silenced a while back. People like sotos and Piratis and a few others that I cannot remember at the moment.

The blame game that has had the TCs as the underdogs for so long has been so successful that they cannot give it up now. If they turn on the TCs then all is lost. can't you see that??????
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