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[EricSeans]

Using the assassin analogy, the sad truth is that in the murky history of Cyprus those who speak as selflessly and bravely as Miltiades has done, encouraging true Cypriots to unite as one and reject the outsiders who have brought only disaster to the island, make themselves targets. All it takes is personal courage and momentum for the bad guys to be outnumbered and I hope this comes to pass.

You have heard it hear many times from the likes of Miltiades utu......It's either the "RoC" way or the highway. They want to claim the title of Cypriot and deport anyone that does not agree. That would be the TCs then. Take Cyprus by force and then make it up as they go along. Maybe even another round of "population exchanges" as the GCs make it harder and harder for TCs to be TCs and help these people of the island as they did with me and my family. & of us "Escaped from Cyprus at a time when visas were not permitted. So the answer is by hook or by crook.

I have on many occasions stated my dream to see a Turkish Cypriot as the President of a United Cyprus , I elaborated by adding that provided the T/C President presides over all Cypriots and his allegiance is to Cyprus and all of its people ( Gordon Brown is Scottish ) then may that day come during my lifetime.
The fanatics , Zan in particular , who has called me an assassin , are the reason why so much bitterness still exists amongst our people because people like him have as their motherland Turkey or Greece. They are the parasites on this island they are the impostors on this island they are the divisionist and the hate mongers .
I , on the hand , support the internationally recognized ROC , this is how the UN and the EU see the RoC AS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT OF THE ROC .
Is he expecting me to recognise an occupied part of Cyprus , again this is how the International community sees the "trnc" , with 35 thousand foreign occupying troops and some 150 or so thousand mountain people that the T/Cs at large want nothing to do with them but send them back to Zans new modern world ?
The extremists on both sides have attacked me many many times , T/Cs and G/Cs , I have been relentlessly consistent with my views and my actions which continue to this day. I visit the North with my head held high , I stand by my principles and I call the T/C people my people just as I call all other Cypriot loving people. The fanatics fucked it in the late 50s early 60s , the true Cypriots ain't going to lay down and take it this time round because we have the EU , the UN and all of the responsible international community on our side.
I do not preach hatred as Zan does , I do not dig for dirt to show that our people can not live together , I attack Turkey and I attack Greece , for we the Cypriot people are non for sale to either.
LONG LIVE CYPRUS AS AN INDEPENDENT NATION ENMBRACING ALL CYPRIOTS.
Fuck the bloody flags of foreign bloody nations along with their national bloody anthems.
A Cypriot HAS SPOKEN !

You are either an assassin or a completer fool to think the way you do Miltiades and I chose assassin because I didn't want to be rude


As to the rest of your rhetoric.......See what I mean utu.

[roseandchan]

how are you going to decide if they are settlers or not?
which time line are you using pre 74, pre english, pre ottoman?
people have families, homes ,jobs, how can you just chuck them out?
how many tc's and gc's have british passports?
should the uk be throwing them out because they are settlers? and not british by birth.
i do think that no more should be allowed in, but for those who are here they should be allowed to stay, if they pay their way and don't break the law.
in the event of a solution you will find that there are many at least third generation turkish here, with mainand parentage. born in cyprus. are you looking to throw them out as well? or will you just discriminate against them?

[DT.]

how are you going to decide if they are settlers or not?
which time line are you using pre 74, pre english, pre ottoman?
people have families, homes ,jobs, how can you just chuck them out?
how many tc's and gc's have british passports?
should the uk be throwing them out because they are settlers? and not british by birth.
i do think that no more should be allowed in, but for those who are here they should be allowed to stay, if they pay their way and don't break the law.
in the event of a solution you will find that there are many at least third generation turkish here, with mainand parentage. born in cyprus. are you looking to throw them out as well? or will you just discriminate against them?

It was allright to uproot and throw out the rightful citizens of the north but not to throw out the ones that came over from anatolia?

[roseandchan]

D.T did your side not also uproot the tc's from the south. many of the turkish were here years before.

[DT.]

D.T did your side not also uproot the tc's from the south. many of the turkish were here years before.

WHAT??? what are you talking about? After the invasion Turkey called on all TC's to move to the north!

[Oracle]

...the Turkish military taking over of a third of Cyprus after the initial incursion helped cause the attempted Sampson coup to collapse. ...

utu .... Turkey taking over a third of Cyprus didn't take place until the second invasion in mid-August ... by which time Sampson was long gone and Constitutional order was restored (and may have occurred with or without Turkish initial invasion in July ... but I digress!).

- if regaining control of the entire island - have the entire Turkish Cypriot presence removed on the grounds of 'ridding the knife at their throats'? How attractive would this scenario be to the Greek Cypriot folk on this forum should control of the entire island be immediately regained? ?

Even I am not interested in such an unnecessary step. Cyprus is multicultural and so long as those TCs stayed because they respected the RoC as the one unquestionable government of Cyprus, and did not demand any involvement from Turkey in terms of guarantees, or expected Turkish as an Official language, or wanted "special minority" rights above normal Human rights and voting conditions ... then no problem. Welcome on board.

[roseandchan]

whats that d.t? turkey called all the ones you didn't murder while they were trying to get away. i am not going any further down this road with you. its a pointless boring swings and roundabouts arguement.
maybe you would like to get rid of us european british as well?

[DT.]

whats that d.t? turkey called all the ones you didn't murder while they were trying to get away. i am not going any further down this road with you. its a pointless boring swings and roundabouts arguement.
maybe you would like to get rid of us european british as well?

FFS! You have huge gaps in your knowledge on Cyprus. Not really worth pursuing. I reccomend you maintain an observer status for a while on the Cyprob till you feel a little more confident.

[Bananiot]

It is extremely difficult to make a parallel utu. Turkey has not lost a war and it is not left in ruins. On the contrary, Turkey won a war (I am looking at the big picture) being on the side of the triumphant winners of the cold war and now (as always, I might add) its geographical position makes it vital to the interests of the west in relation to the unfolding events in the Caucasus.

[Nikitas]

Roseanchan,

You need to look up some serious British newspapers regarding the events of 1974 and how the population exchange took place. The British bases, especially the one in Akrotiri, played a major part in the process, which was forced on the RoC.

Second point regarding who is a Cypriot and who is not. Our nationality laws are based on the British nationality acts. We all know damn well who is and who is not British, the same tests apply in Cyprus.

Third, about Zan and his idiotic remarks about Greeks being imported in Cyprus by the British or anyone else. THis is pure idiocy. The dialect itself is enough to prove that there were no imports of Greeks, if there were we would have some linguistic remnants of mainland idiom. In addition during the British colonial rule there were strict rules about residence. I know this for a fact from a very close case, my mother was Greek, my father met her when he was a volunteer officer in the Royal Navy, yet she could not move to Cyprus for months till she was cleared under the Aliens Act. In the end she had to take British nationality inorder to stay in Cyprus.

So Zan please cut the crap and give us facts, if you have them.