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[DT.]

Why not DT we are not going to get any more from the Turks.

What do you see as the problem mate?

FIrstly the land split. The AP basically gave us the Buffer zone back.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

DT do you think the turks are going to give us back more than they offered in the Annan Plan. I doubt it very much. I'm affraid thats all we can hope for. At least my way all refugees have the option to return to their homes all be it under turkish adminastation. Lets not forget they will part of the EU if a solution is found so effectively we are all being controlled by brussels anyway.

We the GC's need to wake up and realise we will never get back towns like Kyrienia and the Karpass region. Only way that will happen is by force. I'm affraid we are not strong enough to take turkey on by our selves.

[DT.]

DT do you think the turks are going to give us back more than they offered in the Annan Plan. I doubt it very much. I'm affraid thats all we can hope for. At least my way all refugees have the option to return to their homes all be it under turkish adminastation. Lets not forget they will part of the EU if a solution is found so effectively we are all being controlled by brussels anyway.

We the GC's need to wake up and realise we will never get back towns like Kyrienia and the Karpass region. Only way that will happen is by force. I'm affraid we are not strong enough to take turkey on by our selves.

Not talking about Karpassia and Kyrenia. I'm talking about Morphou and Famagusta but not the way the Annan plan had it when only a few streets and villages would be returned. I also want someone who knows what they;re doing to negotiate this and for once not cut off Famagusta off from the rest of the GC side due to the British bases.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

I see where you are coming from. I believe in the Annan plan the british were willing to give us back some of the land from their bases not sure that would be the case now though. But I still think that the famagusta area would still be isolated.

To be honest mate I think we are going to have to make the best of a bad situation. It's a shame our leaders back in the late 70's and early 80's didnt have the will to resolve the issue then. It would have been much simpler. Now we have all the illegals from Turkey living in our houses plus those greedy british ex pats.

I'm one of the few GC's that likes Talat. He's in an impossible situation really. On one had he wants a solution but on the other Turkey pulls his strings. Lets just wait and see what happens. I believe he is serious that he wants a solution.

[Kikapu]

good no one will ever recognise trnc ...

Screw up these talks and we shall see mate........

Paliometoxo, Zan may have a point. The recognition by Russia and Nicaragua of South Ossetia and Abkhazia has - in effect - opened up the prospect of a number of unrecognized entities being formally recognized without waiting for UN sanction. Even though Russia has stated that they have not changed their policy on the northern administration in Cyprus, Vladimir Putin did say earlier this year (and I quote):"The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has a better case for recognition than Kosovo". The use of the north's formal title is in itself a rather telling point.
A lot is going to hinge on the outcome of these talks. If something is worked out by both Kristofas and Talat and it goes to referendum, how the communities vote could very well affect the recognition issue. The Greek Cypriots gave themselves a black eye internationally when the Annan Plan was rejected. It didn't matter that the plan was flawed; it was perceived that the Greek Cypriots did not want reconciliation. If that prospect repeats itself, well...

Utu , the AP was rejected because it was not only flawed as you say but it was interpreted by the people as not a unifying plan , on the contrary it was a plan that recognised the permanent partition of our island into a Greek and Turkish section. The Plan was devised entirely based on Turkeys requirements , the people of Cyprus responded accordingly.

Tpap was present, 300 Cypriot lawyers were present and the hundreds of UN mediators were present but it was all done in Turkeys favour.......You gotta be kidding me. And this guy claims that I distort facts What the AP failed to do was hand TPap the island...A dream he has had since the beginning of time. The hero that would hand Cyprus back to Greece and have his name in history for ever....

Let say you are correct Zan about PapaD. He only had one vote as anyone else, so how do you account for the 76% (few hundred thousand GC's) also saying OXI to the AP. Do you think people will not have voted for something that was good for them, despite what their leader said.?? The TC's said YES, because they thought it was good for them, despite Denktash being against it, and just because Talat was in power for few months, hardly had more persuasion over the people than 40+ years of Denktash in the lives of the TC's. The TC's said YES, because it was a good plan for them, and the GC's said OXI, because it was a bad plan for them.

It's all very simple really to understand this, but somehow, I know you will struggle with it, to make any sense to you. I will still give you an "A" for effort for trying, regardless.

[zan]

good no one will ever recognise trnc ...

Screw up these talks and we shall see mate........

Paliometoxo, Zan may have a point. The recognition by Russia and Nicaragua of South Ossetia and Abkhazia has - in effect - opened up the prospect of a number of unrecognized entities being formally recognized without waiting for UN sanction. Even though Russia has stated that they have not changed their policy on the northern administration in Cyprus, Vladimir Putin did say earlier this year (and I quote):"The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has a better case for recognition than Kosovo". The use of the north's formal title is in itself a rather telling point.
A lot is going to hinge on the outcome of these talks. If something is worked out by both Kristofas and Talat and it goes to referendum, how the communities vote could very well affect the recognition issue. The Greek Cypriots gave themselves a black eye internationally when the Annan Plan was rejected. It didn't matter that the plan was flawed; it was perceived that the Greek Cypriots did not want reconciliation. If that prospect repeats itself, well...

Utu , the AP was rejected because it was not only flawed as you say but it was interpreted by the people as not a unifying plan , on the contrary it was a plan that recognised the permanent partition of our island into a Greek and Turkish section. The Plan was devised entirely based on Turkeys requirements , the people of Cyprus responded accordingly.

Tpap was present, 300 Cypriot lawyers were present and the hundreds of UN mediators were present but it was all done in Turkeys favour.......You gotta be kidding me. And this guy claims that I distort facts What the AP failed to do was hand TPap the island...A dream he has had since the beginning of time. The hero that would hand Cyprus back to Greece and have his name in history for ever....

Let say you are correct Zan about PapaD. He only had one vote as anyone else, so how do you account for the 76% (few hundred thousand GC's) also saying OXI to the AP. Do you think people will not have voted for something that was good for them, despite what their leader said.?? The TC's said YES, because they thought it was good for them, despite Denktash being against it, and just because Talat was in power for few months, hardly had more persuasion over the people than 40+ years of Denktash in the lives of the TC's. The TC's said YES, because it was a good plan for them, and the GC's said OXI, because it was a bad plan for them.

It's all very simple really to understand this, but somehow, I know you will struggle with it, to make any sense to you. I will still give you an "A" for effort for trying, regardless.

The GCs said OXI because Tpap spent the money given to him for a yes vote to have propaganda T-shirts saying OXI and a campaign as well. The TCs said yes because they were told to so stop this crap about those people knowing what the hell they were voting for. Your rubbish excuses just expose what you are and not what the OXI campaign was about. Tpap having just one vote is about as lame as it gets.


what ever the plan turned out to be these people had no idea what they were doing and only one man and is henchmen did and they campaigned for the OXI vote. The same man that was actually negotiating for it. So why didn't he get a better deal? Is it because the UN exhausted all options and thought they had about the best deal that they were going to get without giving into one or the other.....You guys love to quote UN resolutions when it suits you but when it doesn't then the UN is working for Turkey...what a crock of S**T.

[DT.]

good no one will ever recognise trnc ...

Screw up these talks and we shall see mate........

Paliometoxo, Zan may have a point. The recognition by Russia and Nicaragua of South Ossetia and Abkhazia has - in effect - opened up the prospect of a number of unrecognized entities being formally recognized without waiting for UN sanction. Even though Russia has stated that they have not changed their policy on the northern administration in Cyprus, Vladimir Putin did say earlier this year (and I quote):"The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has a better case for recognition than Kosovo". The use of the north's formal title is in itself a rather telling point.
A lot is going to hinge on the outcome of these talks. If something is worked out by both Kristofas and Talat and it goes to referendum, how the communities vote could very well affect the recognition issue. The Greek Cypriots gave themselves a black eye internationally when the Annan Plan was rejected. It didn't matter that the plan was flawed; it was perceived that the Greek Cypriots did not want reconciliation. If that prospect repeats itself, well...

Utu , the AP was rejected because it was not only flawed as you say but it was interpreted by the people as not a unifying plan , on the contrary it was a plan that recognised the permanent partition of our island into a Greek and Turkish section. The Plan was devised entirely based on Turkeys requirements , the people of Cyprus responded accordingly.

Tpap was present, 300 Cypriot lawyers were present and the hundreds of UN mediators were present but it was all done in Turkeys favour.......You gotta be kidding me. And this guy claims that I distort facts What the AP failed to do was hand TPap the island...A dream he has had since the beginning of time. The hero that would hand Cyprus back to Greece and have his name in history for ever....

Let say you are correct Zan about PapaD. He only had one vote as anyone else, so how do you account for the 76% (few hundred thousand GC's) also saying OXI to the AP. Do you think people will not have voted for something that was good for them, despite what their leader said.?? The TC's said YES, because they thought it was good for them, despite Denktash being against it, and just because Talat was in power for few months, hardly had more persuasion over the people than 40+ years of Denktash in the lives of the TC's. The TC's said YES, because it was a good plan for them, and the GC's said OXI, because it was a bad plan for them.

It's all very simple really to understand this, but somehow, I know you will struggle with it, to make any sense to you. I will still give you an "A" for effort for trying, regardless.

The GCs said OXI because Tpap spent the money given to him for a yes vote to have propaganda T-shirts saying OXI and a campaign as well. The TCs said yes because they were told to so stop this crap about those people knowing what the hell they were voting for. Your rubbish excuses just expose what you are and not what the OXI campaign was about. Tpap having just one vote is about as lame as it gets.


what ever the plan turned out to be these people had no idea what they were doing and only one man and is henchmen did and they campaigned for the OXI vote. The same man that was actually negotiating for it. So why didn't he get a better deal? Is it because the UN exhausted all options and thought they had about the best deal that they were going to get without giving into one or the other.....You guys love to quote UN resolutions when it suits you but when it doesn't then the UN is working for Turkey...what a crock of S**T.

Instead of citicising the lack of negotiations of the GC side you should instead feel shame at the vacancy of talat's seat and the fact that Erdogan neogiated everything he needed for Turkey (not the TC's) and then called it a day. I wouldn't be surprised if talat went afterwards to erdogan to ask him "So! WHat'd we get?"

[zan]

good no one will ever recognise trnc ...

Screw up these talks and we shall see mate........

Paliometoxo, Zan may have a point. The recognition by Russia and Nicaragua of South Ossetia and Abkhazia has - in effect - opened up the prospect of a number of unrecognized entities being formally recognized without waiting for UN sanction. Even though Russia has stated that they have not changed their policy on the northern administration in Cyprus, Vladimir Putin did say earlier this year (and I quote):"The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has a better case for recognition than Kosovo". The use of the north's formal title is in itself a rather telling point.
A lot is going to hinge on the outcome of these talks. If something is worked out by both Kristofas and Talat and it goes to referendum, how the communities vote could very well affect the recognition issue. The Greek Cypriots gave themselves a black eye internationally when the Annan Plan was rejected. It didn't matter that the plan was flawed; it was perceived that the Greek Cypriots did not want reconciliation. If that prospect repeats itself, well...

Utu , the AP was rejected because it was not only flawed as you say but it was interpreted by the people as not a unifying plan , on the contrary it was a plan that recognised the permanent partition of our island into a Greek and Turkish section. The Plan was devised entirely based on Turkeys requirements , the people of Cyprus responded accordingly.

Tpap was present, 300 Cypriot lawyers were present and the hundreds of UN mediators were present but it was all done in Turkeys favour.......You gotta be kidding me. And this guy claims that I distort facts What the AP failed to do was hand TPap the island...A dream he has had since the beginning of time. The hero that would hand Cyprus back to Greece and have his name in history for ever....

Let say you are correct Zan about PapaD. He only had one vote as anyone else, so how do you account for the 76% (few hundred thousand GC's) also saying OXI to the AP. Do you think people will not have voted for something that was good for them, despite what their leader said.?? The TC's said YES, because they thought it was good for them, despite Denktash being against it, and just because Talat was in power for few months, hardly had more persuasion over the people than 40+ years of Denktash in the lives of the TC's. The TC's said YES, because it was a good plan for them, and the GC's said OXI, because it was a bad plan for them.

It's all very simple really to understand this, but somehow, I know you will struggle with it, to make any sense to you. I will still give you an "A" for effort for trying, regardless.

The GCs said OXI because Tpap spent the money given to him for a yes vote to have propaganda T-shirts saying OXI and a campaign as well. The TCs said yes because they were told to so stop this crap about those people knowing what the hell they were voting for. Your rubbish excuses just expose what you are and not what the OXI campaign was about. Tpap having just one vote is about as lame as it gets.


what ever the plan turned out to be these people had no idea what they were doing and only one man and is henchmen did and they campaigned for the OXI vote. The same man that was actually negotiating for it. So why didn't he get a better deal? Is it because the UN exhausted all options and thought they had about the best deal that they were going to get without giving into one or the other.....You guys love to quote UN resolutions when it suits you but when it doesn't then the UN is working for Turkey...what a crock of S**T.

Instead of citicising the lack of negotiations of the GC side you should instead feel shame at the vacancy of talat's seat and the fact that Erdogan neogiated everything he needed for Turkey (not the TC's) and then called it a day. I wouldn't be surprised if talat went afterwards to erdogan to ask him "So! WHat'd we get?"

So you are saying that Greece had no say in the matter

[DT.]

good no one will ever recognise trnc ...

Screw up these talks and we shall see mate........

Paliometoxo, Zan may have a point. The recognition by Russia and Nicaragua of South Ossetia and Abkhazia has - in effect - opened up the prospect of a number of unrecognized entities being formally recognized without waiting for UN sanction. Even though Russia has stated that they have not changed their policy on the northern administration in Cyprus, Vladimir Putin did say earlier this year (and I quote):"The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has a better case for recognition than Kosovo". The use of the north's formal title is in itself a rather telling point.
A lot is going to hinge on the outcome of these talks. If something is worked out by both Kristofas and Talat and it goes to referendum, how the communities vote could very well affect the recognition issue. The Greek Cypriots gave themselves a black eye internationally when the Annan Plan was rejected. It didn't matter that the plan was flawed; it was perceived that the Greek Cypriots did not want reconciliation. If that prospect repeats itself, well...

Utu , the AP was rejected because it was not only flawed as you say but it was interpreted by the people as not a unifying plan , on the contrary it was a plan that recognised the permanent partition of our island into a Greek and Turkish section. The Plan was devised entirely based on Turkeys requirements , the people of Cyprus responded accordingly.

Tpap was present, 300 Cypriot lawyers were present and the hundreds of UN mediators were present but it was all done in Turkeys favour.......You gotta be kidding me. And this guy claims that I distort facts What the AP failed to do was hand TPap the island...A dream he has had since the beginning of time. The hero that would hand Cyprus back to Greece and have his name in history for ever....

Let say you are correct Zan about PapaD. He only had one vote as anyone else, so how do you account for the 76% (few hundred thousand GC's) also saying OXI to the AP. Do you think people will not have voted for something that was good for them, despite what their leader said.?? The TC's said YES, because they thought it was good for them, despite Denktash being against it, and just because Talat was in power for few months, hardly had more persuasion over the people than 40+ years of Denktash in the lives of the TC's. The TC's said YES, because it was a good plan for them, and the GC's said OXI, because it was a bad plan for them.

It's all very simple really to understand this, but somehow, I know you will struggle with it, to make any sense to you. I will still give you an "A" for effort for trying, regardless.

The GCs said OXI because Tpap spent the money given to him for a yes vote to have propaganda T-shirts saying OXI and a campaign as well. The TCs said yes because they were told to so stop this crap about those people knowing what the hell they were voting for. Your rubbish excuses just expose what you are and not what the OXI campaign was about. Tpap having just one vote is about as lame as it gets.


what ever the plan turned out to be these people had no idea what they were doing and only one man and is henchmen did and they campaigned for the OXI vote. The same man that was actually negotiating for it. So why didn't he get a better deal? Is it because the UN exhausted all options and thought they had about the best deal that they were going to get without giving into one or the other.....You guys love to quote UN resolutions when it suits you but when it doesn't then the UN is working for Turkey...what a crock of S**T.

Instead of citicising the lack of negotiations of the GC side you should instead feel shame at the vacancy of talat's seat and the fact that Erdogan neogiated everything he needed for Turkey (not the TC's) and then called it a day. I wouldn't be surprised if talat went afterwards to erdogan to ask him "So! WHat'd we get?"

So you are saying that Greece had no say in the matter

pretty much, yeah. The greeks wanted to leave the first day they got there.

[zan]

good no one will ever recognise trnc ...

Screw up these talks and we shall see mate........

Paliometoxo, Zan may have a point. The recognition by Russia and Nicaragua of South Ossetia and Abkhazia has - in effect - opened up the prospect of a number of unrecognized entities being formally recognized without waiting for UN sanction. Even though Russia has stated that they have not changed their policy on the northern administration in Cyprus, Vladimir Putin did say earlier this year (and I quote):"The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has a better case for recognition than Kosovo". The use of the north's formal title is in itself a rather telling point.
A lot is going to hinge on the outcome of these talks. If something is worked out by both Kristofas and Talat and it goes to referendum, how the communities vote could very well affect the recognition issue. The Greek Cypriots gave themselves a black eye internationally when the Annan Plan was rejected. It didn't matter that the plan was flawed; it was perceived that the Greek Cypriots did not want reconciliation. If that prospect repeats itself, well...

Utu , the AP was rejected because it was not only flawed as you say but it was interpreted by the people as not a unifying plan , on the contrary it was a plan that recognised the permanent partition of our island into a Greek and Turkish section. The Plan was devised entirely based on Turkeys requirements , the people of Cyprus responded accordingly.

Tpap was present, 300 Cypriot lawyers were present and the hundreds of UN mediators were present but it was all done in Turkeys favour.......You gotta be kidding me. And this guy claims that I distort facts What the AP failed to do was hand TPap the island...A dream he has had since the beginning of time. The hero that would hand Cyprus back to Greece and have his name in history for ever....

Let say you are correct Zan about PapaD. He only had one vote as anyone else, so how do you account for the 76% (few hundred thousand GC's) also saying OXI to the AP. Do you think people will not have voted for something that was good for them, despite what their leader said.?? The TC's said YES, because they thought it was good for them, despite Denktash being against it, and just because Talat was in power for few months, hardly had more persuasion over the people than 40+ years of Denktash in the lives of the TC's. The TC's said YES, because it was a good plan for them, and the GC's said OXI, because it was a bad plan for them.

It's all very simple really to understand this, but somehow, I know you will struggle with it, to make any sense to you. I will still give you an "A" for effort for trying, regardless.

The GCs said OXI because Tpap spent the money given to him for a yes vote to have propaganda T-shirts saying OXI and a campaign as well. The TCs said yes because they were told to so stop this crap about those people knowing what the hell they were voting for. Your rubbish excuses just expose what you are and not what the OXI campaign was about. Tpap having just one vote is about as lame as it gets.


what ever the plan turned out to be these people had no idea what they were doing and only one man and is henchmen did and they campaigned for the OXI vote. The same man that was actually negotiating for it. So why didn't he get a better deal? Is it because the UN exhausted all options and thought they had about the best deal that they were going to get without giving into one or the other.....You guys love to quote UN resolutions when it suits you but when it doesn't then the UN is working for Turkey...what a crock of S**T.

Instead of citicising the lack of negotiations of the GC side you should instead feel shame at the vacancy of talat's seat and the fact that Erdogan neogiated everything he needed for Turkey (not the TC's) and then called it a day. I wouldn't be surprised if talat went afterwards to erdogan to ask him "So! WHat'd we get?"

So you are saying that Greece had no say in the matter

pretty much, yeah. The greeks wanted to leave the first day they got there.

And we believe them....I am sure that the UN did as well.