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Zan wrote

The choice was taken by both states with a population exchange. Those that stayed have cafes and restaurants as you saw in the Karpaz area.....

Not exactly true Zan

The GC population of the Karpas was ariund 12000 in 1974 Now just a couple of hundred.

They moved for a number of reasons The main reason that they were deprived of basic human rights

They were deprived of the freedom of movement and trade.

They lived under permanent fear for their life and property because of continuous harassment by the mainland Turks and lack of protection.

They were deprived of secondary education and of sufficient elementary school facilities.

They were deprived of proper medical services.

A few brave ones did stay. But the vast majority were forced to move because of the human rights restrictions forced upon them by the regime in the north

How could people have stayed with no education for their children or proper medical services for themselves and their families etc

Sorry if this has gone off topic a bit but I wanted to get over the point that they didnt really have much choice but to move

I also believe that at a time when there was only a primary school available, children were permitted to leave and continue their education south of the line only on condition that they did not come back to live in Karpasia. Some choice - stay on and have only primary education, or get secondary schooling and ****** off for good.

Yep, you can't beat the Turkish millitary when it comes to taking humanitarian decisions like that.

just a question....What was happening in the South to the TCs???? Were they allowed to do what ever they wanted?????

are you making an accussation or just asking?

[zan]

Zan wrote

The choice was taken by both states with a population exchange. Those that stayed have cafes and restaurants as you saw in the Karpaz area.....

Not exactly true Zan

The GC population of the Karpas was ariund 12000 in 1974 Now just a couple of hundred.

They moved for a number of reasons The main reason that they were deprived of basic human rights

They were deprived of the freedom of movement and trade.

They lived under permanent fear for their life and property because of continuous harassment by the mainland Turks and lack of protection.

They were deprived of secondary education and of sufficient elementary school facilities.

They were deprived of proper medical services.

A few brave ones did stay. But the vast majority were forced to move because of the human rights restrictions forced upon them by the regime in the north

How could people have stayed with no education for their children or proper medical services for themselves and their families etc

Sorry if this has gone off topic a bit but I wanted to get over the point that they didnt really have much choice but to move

I also believe that at a time when there was only a primary school available, children were permitted to leave and continue their education south of the line only on condition that they did not come back to live in Karpasia. Some choice - stay on and have only primary education, or get secondary schooling and ****** off for good.

Yep, you can't beat the Turkish millitary when it comes to taking humanitarian decisions like that.

just a question....What was happening in the South to the TCs???? Were they allowed to do what ever they wanted?????

are you making an accussation or just asking?

Asking I suppose!!!

Off Now!

[Nikitas]

Tim said:

"I also believe that at a time when there was only a primary school available, children were permitted to leave and continue their education south of the line only on condition that they did not come back to live in Karpasia. Some choice - stay on and have only primary education, or get secondary schooling and ****** off for good."

and Zan said:

"just a question....What was happening in the South to the TCs???? Were they allowed to do what ever they wanted????? "

Precisely! Some of the biggest dairy units in the Aradippou area after 1974 belonged to TCs who chose to remain in the south.

But in any case, the critierion is not what the TCs were allowed to do in the south. Once the TC state was set up in the north, the treatment of minorities is indicative of the mindset. ALL non Turks were excluded or repressed. Like I said before, the way a person or community behave once they are victorious, tells a lot about them. The treatment of the GCs in Karpasia is telling. It is the exact same treatment given to the people of Imvros and Tenedos. It is Turkish cynicism at its best.

[Tim Drayton]

Tim said:

"I also believe that at a time when there was only a primary school available, children were permitted to leave and continue their education south of the line only on condition that they did not come back to live in Karpasia. Some choice - stay on and have only primary education, or get secondary schooling and ****** off for good."

and Zan said:

"just a question....What was happening in the South to the TCs???? Were they allowed to do what ever they wanted????? "

Precisely! Some of the biggest dairy units in the Aradippou area after 1974 belonged to TCs who chose to remain in the south.

But in any case, the critierion is not what the TCs were allowed to do in the south. Once the TC state was set up in the north, the treatment of minorities is indicative of the mindset. ALL non Turks were excluded or repressed. Like I said before, the way a person or community behave once they are victorious, tells a lot about them. The treatment of the GCs in Karpasia is telling. It is the exact same treatment given to the people of Imvros and Tenedos. It is Turkish cynicism at its best.

Just last week I was walking along the old pier next to the Old Harbour in Limassol, and was surprised to hear two youths aged 14-15 there speaking Turkish. I stopped to speak to them. They said they were Turkish Cypriots who had been living in Limassol for ten years. They said they thought the south was much better than the north, and had no wish to live anywhere except Limassol. They did not give me the impression of being people who were suffering oppression.

[Oracle]

The New York Times

"Since then the Turkish side has been pursuing total separation of the communities. Last year all ethnic Turks were allowed to go north in exchange for promises that the ethnic Greeks in the Turkish area would be given free movement, better schools and more medical care. In addition, the Turkish side promised to allow the United Nations to set up posts in the north and provide the Greeks with moral and material support.

The Turkish side, keeping few of its promises, persisted in putiing pressure on the remaining ethnic Greeks to leave. As a result a steady trickle of departures has become a flood. About 30 Greeks go south every day".

Steven V. Roberts, "The New York Times", 1.11.1976.

[ttoli]

The New York Times

"Since then the Turkish side has been pursuing total separation of the communities. Last year all ethnic Turks were allowed to go north in exchange for promises that the ethnic Greeks in the Turkish area would be given free movement, better schools and more medical care. In addition, the Turkish side promised to allow the United Nations to set up posts in the north and provide the Greeks with moral and material support.

The Turkish side, keeping few of its promises, persisted in putiing pressure on the remaining ethnic Greeks to leave. As a result a steady trickle of departures has become a flood. About 30 Greeks go south every day".

Steven V. Roberts, "The New York Times", 1.11.1976.

That was reported just over 31 years ago love, nothing more recent?

[Oracle]

The New York Times

"Since then the Turkish side has been pursuing total separation of the communities. Last year all ethnic Turks were allowed to go north in exchange for promises that the ethnic Greeks in the Turkish area would be given free movement, better schools and more medical care. In addition, the Turkish side promised to allow the United Nations to set up posts in the north and provide the Greeks with moral and material support.

The Turkish side, keeping few of its promises, persisted in putiing pressure on the remaining ethnic Greeks to leave. As a result a steady trickle of departures has become a flood. About 30 Greeks go south every day".

Steven V. Roberts, "The New York Times", 1.11.1976.

That was reported just over 31 years ago love, nothing more recent?

Unfortunately, you are the "more recent"!

What's the matter ttoli ... don't you want to know the history of how come you were able to buy such cheap property in the north of Cyprus?

[ttoli]

The New York Times

"Since then the Turkish side has been pursuing total separation of the communities. Last year all ethnic Turks were allowed to go north in exchange for promises that the ethnic Greeks in the Turkish area would be given free movement, better schools and more medical care. In addition, the Turkish side promised to allow the United Nations to set up posts in the north and provide the Greeks with moral and material support.

The Turkish side, keeping few of its promises, persisted in putiing pressure on the remaining ethnic Greeks to leave. As a result a steady trickle of departures has become a flood. About 30 Greeks go south every day".

Steven V. Roberts, "The New York Times", 1.11.1976.

That was reported just over 31 years ago love, nothing more recent?

Unfortunately, you are the "more recent"!

What's the matter ttoli ... don't you want to know the history of how come you were able to buy such cheap property in the north of Cyprus?

I can assure you Love, I know the history, question is Do you?

[Kikapu]

Just last week I was walking along the old pier next to the Old Harbour in Limassol, and was surprised to hear two youths aged 14-15 there speaking Turkish. I stopped to speak to them. They said they were Turkish Cypriots who had been living in Limassol for ten years. They said they thought the south was much better than the north, and had no wish to live anywhere except Limassol. They did not give me the impression of being people who were suffering oppression.

Tim, I don't know if you read my "Kikapu's Time in Cyprus" last year or since at
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=11420 , because I wrote about some Turkish Cypriots I met in Paphos and Larnaca who were very happy being in the south and had no concerns at all. I was told there were 50 TC's living in Paphos by those I met there. I have no idea the number of TC's living in Larnaca.

[Oracle]

The New York Times

"Since then the Turkish side has been pursuing total separation of the communities. Last year all ethnic Turks were allowed to go north in exchange for promises that the ethnic Greeks in the Turkish area would be given free movement, better schools and more medical care. In addition, the Turkish side promised to allow the United Nations to set up posts in the north and provide the Greeks with moral and material support.

The Turkish side, keeping few of its promises, persisted in putiing pressure on the remaining ethnic Greeks to leave. As a result a steady trickle of departures has become a flood. About 30 Greeks go south every day".

Steven V. Roberts, "The New York Times", 1.11.1976.

That was reported just over 31 years ago love, nothing more recent?

Unfortunately, you are the "more recent"!

What's the matter ttoli ... don't you want to know the history of how come you were able to buy such cheap property in the north of Cyprus?

I can assure you Love, I know the history, question is Do you?

Then you should have no excuses in accepting your fate, as part of the propping up, of an illegitimate regime!